Microsoft yields: boot to desktop, Start menu options in Windows 8.1?

By Jos · 44 replies
Apr 16, 2013
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  1. Microsoft may be ready to address two of the most common complaints about Windows 8 with its upcoming “Blue” update. Specifically, The Verge cites sources familiar with the company’s plans who claim builds of Windows 8.1 are being tested with...

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  2. lawfer

    lawfer TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,270   +91

    This is true. The decision was made mostly because of businesses refusing to upgrade. Not because of consumers.

    It will be off by default, but the option will be there. As far as the Start Menu, I haven't heard anything about that. Of course you don't have to believe me, but I say this because I have an in-law who works for MS and I often ask him what they're cooking up. Unfortunately MS is so divided even some higher-ups have no idea what's going on.
    Jos likes this.
  3. Too bad Microsoft flip-flopped on their new OS.

    They should get back to graphically orientated object and a deasktop work area, much better than mobile tiles...
    psycros and learninmypc like this.
  4. GunsAblazin

    GunsAblazin TS Enthusiast Posts: 75

    What a bunch of retards. Forcing anything on anyone is never the right answer. This should have been in the settings from the beginning, especially with such a weak UI. Why push something that doesn't have equal capabilities to the traditional desktop UI? There is nothing to debate.
    psycros likes this.
  5. spydercanopus

    spydercanopus TS Evangelist Posts: 855   +121

    I'm going to start calling the Start menu Christ. It's risen from the dead and I worship it!
    bielius likes this.
  6. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 3,146   +911

    Well if these rumors turn out to be true, I will finally upgrade to Windows 8 on all platforms (my Laptop and Desktop). I haven't bothered since I hate the new start menu Metro thing and I hate the fact it has to be the first thing you see. Make these changes, they've got money from me...
    psycros likes this.
  7. Night Hacker

    Night Hacker TS Enthusiast Posts: 125   +20

    And I still won't use it because my dislike for Windows 8 has very little to do with the metro look (although I dislike it on my desktop system) and more to do with how they treat open source software that is created using non-Microsoft APIs. I also have reservations on how they require hardware manufacturers who intend to include Windows 8 with their computer systems to have secure boot enabled in the BIOS, which would make it so you couldn't install another operating system like Linux if you wanted. There is the option of going into the BIOS and disabling it, but most people will not know how to do that, and some BIOSes would potentially not have the option to disable it at all.

    When support stops for Windows 7, if they haven't come out with something better, I will switch to Linux, which is a very nice OS now a days, equal or better than Windows. I especially like Xubuntu personally.
    Mbloof likes this.
  8. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 1,923   +756

    Personally, I think this is the right answer to the wrong question, and to me, that question is why is 8 selling so poorly.

    IMHO, 8 is selling so poorly because it will take the business world to buy into 8 in order for it to be another best seller like 7; however, I do not think the business world will budget for upgrading to 8 when the business world just got through upgrading to 7. There is no value in fixing something that already works well.

    It seems like M$ thinks the run the world and can drive updates as if all computer users are M$ lemmings. I think the reality is that it will take much more than the return of the start menu for 8 to sell well.
    psycros and Mbloof like this.
  9. learninmypc

    learninmypc TS Evangelist Posts: 7,671   +413

    MS will eventually learn to listen to the consumers when their product(s) are no longer popular but other OS's are. That is my thoughts. I'm just grateful to have a used pc, but its better than not having one imo.
    Wake up MS.
    psycros likes this.
  10. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,890   +1,224

    You don't think MS knows this? We've been calling Win 8 a victim of Win 7's success for months. They are a business too, they know how software upgrades work. if they wanted to drive upgrades they'd stop supporting Win 7. They aren't doing that though, which is a pretty clear signal that they are not driving upgrades.

    We've spent the last 10 years making fun of MS for not innovating and now we're complaining that they did it too much. They tried to make an OS that was great for mobile and the desktop and they landed a little too far into 'mobile' territory. Now they're pulling back. Win 8 is perfect for the Surface Pro, but since a desktop is so different it should make sense to have some options built in to accommodate.

    Those of you who hate on MS can point and laugh that they made a mistake, but the rest of us are happy to see them listening to their customers.

    And don't forget... a good % of Windows sales come from new PC sales and those are down for reasons that don't have much to do with a missing start button.
  11. m4a4

    m4a4 TS Evangelist Posts: 955   +515

    Few things:
    #1. MS is treating open source software (created using non-Microsoft APIs) badly. No, they aren't. At least not for desktop purposes. For their appstore? Still no. They have set up security like EVERY OTHER appstore.
    #2. "[MS] requires hardware manufacturers who intend to include Windows 8 with their computer systems to have secure boot enabled in the BIOS" Again, no. There was an article that covered this. It explained that MS supports it, but it is not MS who is pushing it.
    And if you are trying to install Linux anyways, it's common knowledge that you usually have to jump through hoops for the best compatibility. People that can google how to install linux can figure out how to get things working.
    #3. Linux being equal or better. It's comparing apples to oranges here. Support for linux is almost nonexistent while it can be modded/customized however you like. Windows is pretty much 100% supported, while the customization options are less than linux.

    Anyways, I never saw the big deal about metro and the start menu. My opinion is that people are just too lazy to learn something new and it's (IMHO) pretty much on par with with the start menu. Or they just don't like change.
    coppersloane likes this.
  12. Love Windows 8 its a smooth operator - but really miss the Start button, please bring it back as an option its no big deal for MS
  13. TomSEA

    TomSEA TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,715   +856

    Guess MS finally got tired of Stardock raking in the dough for it's Win7 emulator.
    psycros and Mbloof like this.
  14. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar Elite Techno Geek Posts: 6,515   +974

    I really think MS screwed up. They should have done this in the beginning and made 2 versions. One for the desktop and one for the tablet. A lot of people would have been hyped for Windows 8 if it had a start menu and would have bought Win 8 on release. this would have gotten MS huge sales. But now people dont trust Win 8 necessarily and wont be hyped as much. Heck, people who are informed about the start menu will be excited, but people are already scarred.
    psycros likes this.
  15. If you don't know how to get into the BIOS and change a simple setting, you really shouldn't be using Linux in the first place!
    hahahanoobs and m4a4 like this.
  16. Windows 8 is a disaster in a business environment. They see no good reason to upgrade from Windows 7. Some are also switching to Linux.
  17. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,352   +293

    Bringing back the Start button and boot to desktop options sound great... But I'm wondering if they have fixed the absolutely horrid multi-monitor support yet? It's amazing how the desktop/start button topics generate so much noise that they drown out some of the basic fundamentals that make Win8 a "no go" for many power users.
  18. veLa

    veLa TS Evangelist Posts: 781   +235

    I agree.

    To me it's like Microsoft turned their backs on the die hard PC users. I mean think about it, rather than cater to the audience that has made them so successful in the past, they were like: "we need touch everything, touch screen this, touch screen that". I understand that a new UI was okay especially with the rise in mobile computing, but at what cost? They started turning away the people who actually liked MS and that's why sales for 8 have been so weak.
    psycros likes this.
  19. highlander84

    highlander84 TS Booster Posts: 108   +30

    Since I have been running windows 8, I almost never use metro 99% of the time is spent in desktop mode...that other 1% is boot up, and when an app brings me back to metro. Then I promptly switch back to desktop...
    GunsAblazin likes this.
  20. GunsAblazin

    GunsAblazin TS Enthusiast Posts: 75

    Wait a minute, there is already a way to boot to the desktop. All you have to do is switch to a "local account".
    Settings > Change PC Settings > Users > Switch to a Local Account.
  21. Cycloid Torus

    Cycloid Torus Stone age computing. Posts: 3,016   +658

  22. j05hh

    j05hh TS Booster Posts: 156   +34

    I was using window 8 for 3-4 months before going back to w7. I used 3rd party software to get the start menu back for functionality. The metro interface is a joke... for a non touch screen laptop or monitor it shouldn't even be implemented. Windows 8 boot time was fast, the only reason I switched back is because I found certain websites load slowly and this impacted my productivity. Out of all the browsers I used with windows 8 Google Chrome was the slowest.
    psycros likes this.
  23. EEatGDL

    EEatGDL TS Evangelist Posts: 568   +241

    ...but they didn't listen when they had still time -since the RC.
    psycros likes this.
  24. St1ckM4n

    St1ckM4n TS Evangelist Posts: 2,922   +630

    Ugh, it's not just about the Start Menu ffs. It's about the whole Metro think. Metro brings with it stupid default touch apps and terrible multitasking and multi-monitor support. All we need is this:

    Control Panel > Add/Remove Windows Features > Metro.

    That's it.

    On another note, Win8 non-metro has zero enhancements for touch screens compared to Win7. Heck, even the latest Office 2013 fails hard. It has a 'touch menu mode' which makes the UI bigger for fingers..but... where's the gestures?? Can't even flick through the ribbon. Considering 'gestures' are MS's new hot word, I'm greatly surprised at this missing feature.
    spydercanopus likes this.
  25. TheBigFatClown

    TheBigFatClown TS Guru Posts: 683   +253

    Looks like my incessant nagging and whining on forums across the internet are beginning to produce tangible fruits. Ah, the fruits of my labor. So juicy sweet. :)

    I may yet upgrade to Windows 8 after all. Or, I could go for broke and ignore this turd until they release Windows 9 with even more accomodations for the business and desktop users. That would really drive my point home. "Don't ever bite the hand that feeds you again!!!!".

    Decisions, decisions. Hmmm, Well, seeing as how I am 100% content on Windows 7 Ultimate for the past several months since the release of Windows 8, I just think I will wait for some. And see how this all plays out.

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