Millionaire who wants to live forever stops taking longevity drug over concerns it sped up aging

[Vanderlinde]

Everyone is bashing this guy hard, but in reality, I’m glad he’s doing it, and the government isn’t testing this on us. Who wouldn’t want to live longer? Assuming everyone else around them also lives longer. I don’t see the issue here, let him do it. He doesn’t look his age at all, so something he’s doing is at least keeping his appearance young.

The grandmother of my ex managed to outlive, her own daughters at 96th year of age. I remember taking her out to the mall still around that age and just walk half of the day with her.

Once covid lockdowns kicked it, things went down rapid. Apart from living locked up for her, the will to live showly faded away as with most elderly, nobody bothers to look out for them.

I'd say her life was well accomplished, but brutally painful as well since she manage to outlive her own children. But she was tough as hell. Her death went peaceful.

I'd say today, I'm not sure if you want to be the one living beyond a 100 years.

 

[captaincranky]

Johnson got a sweat going by having to open bottles and take 54 pills a day.

In reality, opening a bottle is a simple repetitive activity in a very limited plane of motion. Although, lifting those "big heavy pills , does involve most of the arm, and some of the shoulder muscles.

OTOH, If, after treating your gonads to electro-shoock, (as did this looney-toon), you're still "up" for it, just do the horizontal mambo to burn some calories >Google's AI response was<:

"Overall, research has found that sex can be equivalent to light to moderate exercise. One study showed that men burned about 101 calories during sex, or 4.2 calories per minute. Women burned about 69 calories during sex, or 3.1 calories per minute. To burn more calories during sex, get on top and try lasting longer."

It somehow doesn't seem right, does it? She gets to just lay there, while you do all the work and only burn 32 calories more. As for "working up a sweat", just wait until July, and turn off the air conditioner.

For more "in depth" facts regarding "sexercise", as sport, recreation, general exercise, or weight control, use this search term: how many calories does having sex consume

I do have a 250 ct. bottle of acetaminophen, maybe I'll do some curls....later.

 

[seeprime]

Make no mistake sooner or later the human race (rich people mostly) will find ways to outlive most others through expensive procedures and drugs...just because they can't do it now it doesn't mean they won't be able to do it 100 years from now.

I wrote "with current tech".

 

[captaincranky]

I wrote "with current tech".

Maybe his tombstone will read, "A Pioneering Visionary in the Field of Extending Human Life".

Same sh!t, different decade (1983)

 

[koblongata]

But some diabetic drugs seem to work wonders, must have something to do with our diet...

 

[captaincranky]

But some diabetic drugs seem to work wonders, must have something to do with our diet...

Ya think? So many sugars to choose from, what's your favorite?

 

[Freddie159]

The problem with taking 54 different supplements is there's zero data there. You need to isolate individual changes to attempt to generate any kind of hypothesis you can then test.

He's running a couple of orders of magnitude too many tests at once to determine anything.

But his "Team" of people are tracking every single change the supplements take and has expanded the research in some of them far beyond what their own Labs could do. Yes I think he's going overboard with things like injecting his sons blood into him, shocking his testicles etc. But if you get hold of a list of what he's actually taking most are available OTC with some even being in the $20 a month cost range but with others being in the $1000 a month cost range. I took, am taking until they are gone, some of the same pills he's taking and feel alot better. Though when I met with my Pharmacist she advised coming off all of 'his' supplements because 'there is not enough evidence they work', though Chinese Medicine has endorsed ALOT of what he takes as beneficial to life.

 

[koblongata]

Ya think? So many sugars to choose from, what's your favorite?

Really want to try Metformin, but it's not available over the counter here in Taiwan

 

[captaincranky]

Though when I met with my Pharmacist she advised coming off all of 'his' supplements because 'there is not enough evidence they work', though Chinese Medicine has endorsed ALOT of what he takes as beneficial to life.

OK, right off the bat, Chinese medicine is mostly bullsh!t. A good chunk of of it involves slaughtering nearly extinct animals for use in their "magic powders". But hey, if you want rhino horn because you think it'll make you live longer, grow a pair, and go out and kill one yourself.

And if you want proof that this is "the same sh!t, different decade", go out an buy a copy of Life Extensions, which I mentioned in my post #29. Everybody wants to live forever, and they'll grasp at straws, with less than a little a tiny push to (ostensibly) achieve it. Well, it did get them on the best seller list, and the book will likely be around after they're dead and gone. I suppose that's "life extension" of a fashion. After all, ole' Bill Shakespeare is still with us, after a fashion.

In her "prime", the co-author Sandy Shaw had symptoms of Parkinson's disease, which can also be caused my massive overdoses of (IIRC) B-6. It was one of those, (allegedly), "builds muscle without exercise" group.

If you really want to live a long, long pine, you should have been born a Bristle cone pine. That would have gotten you maybe as long as 6K years.. But frankly,, what good is living to 6,000 if you never get laid, even in your teens.

Yes. medicines have improved. But IMO, or in my belief system, the trigger for aging is genetic, and yes, research is being done along that trajectory.

In reality, you have a better chance of being part of history, than making it.

 

[trieste1s]

Dude is gonna get old and on his deathbed look back and realize he wasted a ****-ton of his life on this stupid crap.

Funny old joke I heard:
Man goes to doctor, and tells doctor that he wants to live to 150.

"That's laudable" says the doctor " let me ask you some questions to see if you're getting the basics right"

"Do you drink?"

"No" says the man "Haven't touched a drop in my life".

"Do you eat red meat?"

"No" says the man "My body is a temple and I won't pollute it with lesser animals"

"How often do you have sex?"

"Never" says the man "I abstain from temptations of the flesh"

The doctor puts down his clipboard and exclaims "Then what the **** do you want to live to 150 for?!"

The joke is premised on the belief that life's highest purpose is about the chase for happiness and pleasure.

 

[captaincranky]

Really want to try Metformin, but it's not available over the counter here in Taiwan

Never heard of it. I was thinking along the lines of the "ose" types of sugars. You know the "yummy but diabetes causing group"l.

Run is distilled from cane sugar. That's a close as you're likely to come by sucrose, (always a favorite), these days. At least with respect to prepared foods But then again, you can buy it by the 5 pound bag at Walmart It's better than sugar substitutes. They (ostensibly) give you cancer. If you live in California, they absolutely do.

All this talk about living forever, has given me the unexpected and overwhelming urge to watch "Free Jack" again.

 

[Lew Zealand]

But his "Team" of people are tracking every single change the supplements take and has expanded the research in some of them far beyond what their own Labs could do. Yes I think he's going overboard with things like injecting his sons blood into him, shocking his testicles etc. But if you get hold of a list of what he's actually taking most are available OTC with some even being in the $20 a month cost range but with others being in the $1000 a month cost range. I took, am taking until they are gone, some of the same pills he's taking and feel alot better. Though when I met with my Pharmacist she advised coming off all of 'his' supplements because 'there is not enough evidence they work', though Chinese Medicine has endorsed ALOT of what he takes as beneficial to life.

Molecular markers are not aging, though its possible some could be indicators of such.
What is known about aging is dwarfed by what is not known.

Therefore doing 54 different things at the same time in a single test subject reveals nothing about what any of those individual things are doing. Sure, it's a fun thing a rich guy is doing but the problem with throwing 54 balls of s*** at the wall at the same time with a blindfold on is you don't know which splatter is which.

 

[mailpup]

Really want to try Metformin, but it's not available over the counter here in Taiwan

It's a prescription drug in the US as well.

 

[BadThad]

There's bound to be more side effects from taking all those pills. The chronic consequences like cancer, liver failure, etc. are real. I've known a few people that lived into their 90's - it's not fun watching everyone around you die. All of them told me they were ready "for the good lord to take them". Be careful what you wish for!

 

[poohbear]

And if discovers immortality he STILL won't be happy. He'll just go on searching for the next thing he thinks will make him happy.

"Happiness comes from within." Maybe he should explore that concept.

 

[Squid Surprise]

I think we need a new term for someone who is worth more than a million but less than a billion. This man is worth 300 million roughly, so he is significantly richer than someone who is worth 1 million. Technically my mother is a millionaire based on the value of her assets (2 homes) and I will earn at least $1m over the next 7 years or so from a regular tech job in Portland Oregon.

Millionaire doesn't mean much anymore. And if our politicians keep spending like they have been, inflation will mean that il be earning a million dollars in just a couple of years working a 9-5.

I believe it’s called “multi-millionaire”… no need to reinvent the wheel here…

 

[HardwareHunt365]

Bryan Johnson might be a polarizing figure, but to me he serves as an invaluable "test subject" for science. Few, if any, are pushing the boundaries of human health to the extremes he does in pursuit of the healthiest physical body possible. Watching the Netflix documentary Don't Die, gave me insight into his motivations, which seem genuinely positive, especially considering he once contemplated ending his life earlier in life.

A lot of the criticism Bryan receives seems to stem from false interpretations of his intentions. He’s not doing this for fame or to push an agenda, he’s doing it for himself. Initially, he didn’t even plan to share his routine or supplement list, but he eventually thought, why not? Everyone stands to gain from it. The Blueprint he offers on his store consists mostly of off-the-shelf supplements that anyone can purchase, so I don’t see a reason to hate someone who is promoting health as a prime focus.

Yes, his approach is inaccessible to most due to the exorbitant cost of his daily routine, but what’s truly fascinating is his pace of aging, which he has managed to slow to 0.64.

I don’t believe he’ll live forever, but it does seem like he could significantly extend his lifespan as long as he maintains his fitness and health levels. Regarding the rapamycin pill, out of the 50+ supplements he takes daily, it’s likely that not all are equally effective. It makes sense to cut out anything that doesn’t provide measurable benefits.

Ultimately, Bryan’s methods boil down to the core principles of good health; eat well, exercise, sleep sufficiently, and focus on rejuvenation. The difference is that he takes these fundamentals to the absolute extreme. While his supplement regimen isn’t practical for most people, the real takeaway lies in those key principles, which his biomarkers seem to validate. I find it hard to fault someone who is striving to prioritize health and share what he learns along the way.

But again, I don’t think he will live forever, unless he takes an even more unconventional route, like spending a fortune to upload his brain to the cloud after he dies in some yet-to-be announced tech in the future.

 

[trieste1s]

But again, I don’t think he will live forever, unless he takes an even more unconventional route, like spending a fortune to upload his brain to the cloud after he dies in some yet-to-be announced tech in the future.

Consciousness is only physical with regards to the perception of and interaction with the physical world. When the body expires, it's not the end of consciousness, but the end of one's interaction with the physical world. Our "core" of consciousness is our soul, which persists after physical death.

Supposing that one can invent a neural matrix advanced enough to host the human brain and continue to build neuronal connections in accordance with inputs from the physical world, it's no longer that unique individual. "Self" has already left the chat. What you have is more akin to a more nuanced AI that operates with the neuronal connection density of a human brain, instead of the racks of data servers we currently have.

Agents of Shield actually fleshes out this concept in the form of an artificial Agent Coulson, though the sense of Self and the perfect human mimicry in the artificial being is highly fictionalised for the sake of the plot.

 

[captaincranky]

Agents of Shield actually fleshes out this concept in the form of an artificial Agent Coulson, though the sense of Self and the perfect human mimicry in the artificial being is highly fictionalised for the sake of the plot.

I hate to break up this "Marvel Fest, but before "Agent Coulson" there was Emilio Estevez and Mick Jagger in "Free Jack", who fleshed out this "uploaded consciousness" thing, pretty well....in 1992. Free, but with Ads.

Sorry 'bout the inconvenience, but it's much better in full screen anyway.

 

[Hotlynx16]

Really want to try Metformin, but it's not available over the counter here in Taiwan

Metformin is hard on your kidneys, I was taking it because I am diabetic but doc took me off because of kidney issues!

 

[ccccn]

People would be shocked how many people from 30 years of age to 50 years of age die .

Metformin is hard on your kidneys, I was taking it because I am diabetic but doc took me off because of kidney issues!

Every drug has side effects , tens of millions are on Metformin with no Kidney issues .

 

[ccccn]

Stress , not eating right and a lack of exercise is what really shortens peoples lifespans . Not seeing a doctor regularly and having bloodwork done is also a recipe for disaster .

 

[jeffbert]

Laughter is, if I am not mistaken, good medicine. All the laughs I got from reading all this, supposedly gave me a fair amount of cardio-vascular or whatever exercise. I never end my day by watching news, I much prefer to watch something funny; it wears me out, & helps me sleep.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Consciousness is only physical with regards to the perception of and interaction with the physical world. When the body expires, it's not the end of consciousness, but the end of one's interaction with the physical world. Our "core" of consciousness is our soul, which persists after physical death.

Supposing that one can invent a neural matrix advanced enough to host the human brain and continue to build neuronal connections in accordance with inputs from the physical world, it's no longer that unique individual. "Self" has already left the chat. What you have is more akin to a more nuanced AI that operates with the neuronal connection density of a human brain, instead of the racks of data servers we currently have.

Agents of Shield actually fleshes out this concept in the form of an artificial Agent Coulson, though the sense of Self and the perfect human mimicry in the artificial being is highly fictionalised for the sake of the plot.

Leave religion out of this… if you believe in a “soul”, then you don’t need to live forever anyways - your soul goes to heaven (or hell).

You are NOT just your brain however - your body influences your brain… if you transplanted your brain into another body, you would be different.

 

[trieste1s]

Leave religion out of this… if you believe in a “soul”, then you don’t need to live forever anyways - your soul goes to heaven (or hell).

You are NOT just your brain however - your body influences your brain… if you transplanted your brain into another body, you would be different.

Where's religion in my reply? I'm not allowed to at least speculate about what happens to me after I die? Or do you feel uneasy because it sounds less like speculation and more like authoritative truth?

Our discussions flow organically. If someone wants to speculate about the metaphysical, then nothing except fear-driven anti-"religious" discrimination would stop anyone else from adding to the discussion.

If my brain is transplanted successfully, and that's a huge speculation, then what determines whether it's still me is whether the brain goes through any sort of death or shift during the transplant. Plus, what happens if you transplant it into an artificial shell, like Ghost In The Shell or Robocop?

All these transplant talk is fictitious. They involve physical technologies that are far from ready in our reality. Whereas the metaphysical does not rely on science and tech and cannot be proven or disproven by the physical. If you're incapable of handling metaphysical statements then just ignore the sub-thread and move on.