Are you genuinely unaware of the launch fiasco of Vega? AMD told reviewers and vendors that the cards were $550 on launch with a $100 rebate from AMD to the vendors making them $450. This rebate was terminated by AMD I believe on day one of Vegas release, conveniently after reviews went out. Watch OC3Ds Vega 64 review to find out more. I do find it amusing that you have already tried to make the point that if it’s not AMDs fault specifically then it’s ok. No it’s not, if the price hike wasn’t AMDs fault then consumers are still getting a bad deal. Only fans care whose fault it is. Although in this case, it was absolutely AMDs fault, they specifically intended to mislead reviewers. Tiny Tom Logan from OC3D is not the only reviewer to express frustration about it.
AMD told that Vega will have reduced price on launch. All cards were immediately sold. That rebate was no longer valid since cards were sold out. Problem?
It's not anything new that some reviewers tend to be stupid (or act like stupid) when trying to make headlines.
Oh and Gsync is better, I have a freesync monitor, freesync only kicks in from 45fps or more, it has an upper limit too but I never found it - AMD cards don’t go fast enough at 4K it seems! Gsync by contrast is on from frame zero. This definitely makes Gsync a superior tech, especially as its benefits are often felt at lower frame rates.
Freesync supports refresh rate range of 9-240 Hz. So there is nothing wrong with Freesync technology. Also you can buy monitors that support Freesync on 30 Hz. So it's you who make stupid buying decisions and blame AMD for your own stupidity.
Finally, a fair amount of game developers snubbed mantle before Nvidia did. Why spend money developing for an API that’s only a tiny percentage of the market have access to? Google it, it’s probably one of the reasons Nvidia felt they could ignore it at the time. I had AMD cards back then, I can’t remember more than one or two titles employing it. And it didn’t mean much as my CPU was up to the task.
So, Hardreset, which card would you pick at today’s pricing? Vega 64 or a 1080ti?
Snubbed = do not use something immediately? Mantle was quite fast replaced by DirectX 12 and Vulkan so no wonder many developers didn't have time to adopt it.
Today's pricing? it's quite hard to find any place that has Vega on stock. So what is Vega's current price?
Seem to? Not according to those DX12 tests there. They are split. Every AMD fanboy said the same thing with Polaris, while the overwhelming evidence is that even 18 months after RX480 it still doesn't beat GTX1060 averaged on a massive array of modern games since. And that Vega 64 does not beat GTX1080, with DX12 games being split and the gaps on them being small. Whereas AMD losing hard in the comparisons on many other hugely popular titles and many newer titles not using DX12.
DirectX 12 tests are NOT split. AMD wins on every game that is neither AMD or Nvidia optimized. Only games where Nvidia wins are either DirectX 11 games with slapped DX12 support or deliberately Nvidia optimized. So AMD is way better on DX12, and just looking at hardware, it's not surprising.
Modern games are those that use either DX12, Vulkan or Mantle. Other titles are not modern. Well, you can call "modern" game that uses graphics API derived from 2003 DirectX 9.0c (DirectX 11 titles) or game that support physics at most 60 Hz (FO4), but...
DX12 itself has not been very successful. By the time any newer API is it won't even matter, both cards will be as good as obsolete. It's an argument that didn't hold water 18 months ago and still doesn't now especially in light of DX12's failure to take a firm hold. So saying "Nvidia for old [games] that nobody cares." marks you out as more than a bit silly!
It's also obvious why Nvidia will launch new higher end cards, because they can. In an investor meeting last year they stated they want to take better advantage of AMD's lack of competition with new higher end cards than they did with Pascal. Domination is motivation enough for most corporations.
I think everyone with common sense realises Nvidia are well ahead of AMD right now and have been for several years, it's definitely not my sole perception...
DX12 has not been very succesfull, yet, but it's still much more advanced and modern than any DirectX before. Nvidia runs old games better but usually those games are played years old low end hardware. So yes, nobody cares when talking about modern cards. For this obsolete thing. I don't consider Radeon HD 7950 "obsolete" as it's way better than many current low end cards. And that is 6 year old card that sold for under $200 4 years ago!
Why that is obvious? Neither AMD, Intel or Nvidia has did that before.
Everyone with common sense realize that AMD is technologically more advanced and years ahead Nvidia. I said this before and what happened? Another crypto boom caused huge demand for
technologically more advanced AMD cards. Nvidia is ahead on DirectX 11 or older titles. Everywhere else AMD is dominating. No wonder Intel decided to use put AMD's Vega graphic chip along their own CPU core. Is Intel really so stupid it uses "crap" Vega with their own CPU? Or is this "Vega is crap" only Nvidia fanboy dreaming? Not hard to tell.
As for the source that AMD lose money on MSRP, they aren't going to verify it. However it's a widespread alleged claim and not without considerable merit when you start sniffing around for yourself and look at estimated manufacturing costs. It's no great shakes to 'sell out' a product that you hardly manufacture any of is it?
AMD lack motivation to build many Vega cards and the lack of ability/motivation to flood the market with them, if they really had full production. It isn't much of a leap to understand precisely why at this point is it? Vega in it's current guise is simply not a particularly profitable venture for AMD.
Widespread
Fudzilla makes claim, with no proof, other sites copy Fudzilla's claims and so it's widespread
Because it's hard to find Nvidia high end graphic cards either it means Nvidia is also losing money with every high end GTX they sale?
Bottom line is still this: Best case scenario for 7nm Vega is that when (if) it arrives around the end of 2018 it competes ok on performance with Nvidia's 2018 mid range lineup, which has probably been out for 6 months already. At which point it won't sell very many like RX480/580 didn't because the rule of thumb is unless AMD are way better for the same money, the majority buy Nvidia.
You are saying GTX 1080 Ti (or card with equivalent speed) is Nvidia's mid range card next summer?
