Nvidia's Jensen Huang will deliver CES 2025 opening keynote, RTX 5080 and 5090 reveal expected

[Rapob]

According to the Steam survey the 4090 sold more than the 4080 and super while not combined even with 20% cheaper price for the x080 card and almost 20% higher for the 4090 in equity now. Nvidia will be competing with themselves and will be sailing into uncharted waters or is it?
We can extrapolate a lot of information from the Steam survey for objective reasons.

The 4090 stagnated in owners and recently dropped slightly.
4080 super only when prices fell to $949 seen a climb recently.
Sure they can price high to improve margins but it would definitely be at the cost of revenue.

Obviously 4090 drops when 5090 is near, nothing new really.
4090 still has just as many owners, as entire Radeon 7000 series combined.

 

[godrilla]

Obviously 4090 drops when 5090 is near, nothing new really.
4090 still has just as many owners, as entire Radeon 7000 series combined.

I was talking about 5000 vs 4000 series projections but with 4000 series supply drying up and rdna 3 getting significantly cheaper we still have 1 quarter ( holiday season) for things to improve for team Red. If the only hardware you can purchase in the high end is the rdna 3 this holiday season then it's inevitable that AMD will retain some level of market share.

 

[Rapob]

I was talking about 5000 vs 4000 series projections but with 4000 series supply drying up and rdna 3 getting significantly cheaper we still have 1 quarter ( holiday season) for things to improve for team Red. If the only hardware you can purchase in the high end is the rdna 3 this holiday season then it's inevitable that AMD will retain some level of market share.

4000 series is not drying up, look again, plenty of cards, especially in the 4060 and 4070 range.

4090 and 4080 will vanish over the next months, the rest will keep selling. 5090 and 5080 will take over. Slowly ramping down and slowly ramping up is nothing new. Nvidia tried this many many times before. It will be a perfect transistion.

No-one is buying 4090 right now anyway. Everyone knows 5090 and 5080 is coming in just a few months. Meaning production can pretty much be stopped already.

 

[wiyosaya]

I can just hear Jensen Huang, AKA Leatherman, now, delivering the Keynote and fawning over the 5080 and the 5090: "My Precious!"

 

[godrilla]

4000 series is not drying up, look again, plenty of cards, especially in the 4060 and 4070 range.

4090 and 4080 will vanish over the next months, the rest will keep selling. 5090 and 5080 will take over. Slowly ramping down and slowly ramping up is nothing new. Nvidia tried this many many times before. It will be a perfect transistion.

No-one is buying 4090 right now anyway. Everyone knows 5090 and 5080 is coming in just a few months. Meaning production can pretty much be stopped already.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 stock dwindling amid high-end RTX 40 GPU discontinuation rumors - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA RTX 4090/4080S discontinuation rumors Stock of RTX 4090 running dry. GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER, Source: VideoCardz Some new rumors have emerged from China, where a member of Board Channel is claiming that the RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 cards are entering, or will soon enter, their...

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Article is about a week old now.

 

[Starfals]

Boring new generation, after this current joke of a generation. I only care about 1 thing. How bad they nerf the 5080 it will be pretty funny to see. Especially its price. Super cut and super expensive? You cant make up a funnier joke even if you wanted to

 

[Ohnooze]

I hope AMD makes a decent card in the near future. They don't have to beat Nvidia...just give us something decent.

 

[TechSavy101]

Prepare to sell your kindey and lung so you can pay for a 5090 watercooled AIO. No competition.

 

[Rapob]

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 stock dwindling amid high-end RTX 40 GPU discontinuation rumors - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA RTX 4090/4080S discontinuation rumors Stock of RTX 4090 running dry. GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER, Source: VideoCardz Some new rumors have emerged from China, where a member of Board Channel is claiming that the RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 cards are entering, or will soon enter, their...

videocardz.com

Article is about a week old now.

Yes, 4090. Obviously that card is replaced by 5090 and 5080. Is this a surprise to you?
4080 will also get replaced really.

Like I said, 4060 and 4070 will keep selling.

 

[godrilla]

Yes, 4090. Obviously that card is replaced by 5090 and 5080. Is this a surprise to you?
4080 will also get replaced really.

Like I said, 4060 and 4070 will keep selling.

I predicted that 2025 will be crazy competitive in the low to midrange and it's already starting.
7800xt as low as $419 @ Amazon
7900xt as low as $619 @ Newegg

This is great for gamers.

Also some are questioning Nvidia's strategy on ok I'll underline the word some 4000 series drying up and whole quarter or 2 before Blackwell successors are available to purchase?

 

[Rapob]

I predicted that 2025 will be crazy competitive in the low to midrange and it's already starting.
7800xt as low as $419 @ Amazon
7900xt as low as $619 @ Newegg

This is great for gamers.

Also some are questioning Nvidia's strategy on ok I'll underline the word some 4000 series drying up and whole quarter or 2 before Blackwell successors are available to purchase?

As long as AMD don't offer good upscaling, good frame gen, good rt, path tracing support and have mediocre optimization and drivers then price won't really matter.

Another new popular game, where AMD is dominated:

Silent Hill 2 Remake Performance Benchmark Review - 35 GPUs Tested

Silent Hill 2 Remake lets you relive the iconic classic with modern graphics thanks to Unreal Engine 5. The PC version offers enhanced visuals, featuring support for cutting-edge technologies like DLSS, FSR and ray tracing. In our performance review, we'll look at the game's graphics quality...

www.techpowerup.com

7900XTX is at 4070 SUPER level.
6800XT is slower than 3070.
7800XT and 6900XT is beat by 3070 Ti...

Yeah sure looks good.

More and more games uses software RT, like UE5 Lumen in this case. AMD has sucky RT perf and therefore performance tanks quickly.

Would I want AMD to come back and compete? Yes.
Do they? Lets hope so with 8000 series.

 

[godrilla]

As long as AMD don't offer good upscaling, good frame gen, good rt, path tracing support and have mediocre optimization and drivers then price won't really matter.

Another new popular game, where AMD is dominated:

Silent Hill 2 Remake Performance Benchmark Review - 35 GPUs Tested

Silent Hill 2 Remake lets you relive the iconic classic with modern graphics thanks to Unreal Engine 5. The PC version offers enhanced visuals, featuring support for cutting-edge technologies like DLSS, FSR and ray tracing. In our performance review, we'll look at the game's graphics quality...

www.techpowerup.com

7900XTX is at 4070 SUPER level.
6800XT is slower than 3070.
7800XT and 6900XT is beat by 3070 Ti...

Yeah sure looks good.

More and more games uses software RT, like UE5 Lumen in this case. AMD has sucky RT perf and therefore performance drops quickly.

On Videocardz when I said AMD needs to implement ai for driver optimizations some got triggered at Nvidia's drivers being constantly recalled I guess this is the outcome cheers!

 

[Rapob]

On Videocardz when I said AMD needs to implement ai for driver optimizations some got triggered at Nvidia's drivers being constantly recalled I guess this is the outcome cheers!

What AMD needs is FSR 4 that needs to be on DLSS-level in terms of quality.

FSR right now has tons of shimmering, jitter, and artifacts compared to DLSS. Even in the FSR native mode (AMDs counter to DLAA). DLSS 1 sucked, just like FSR 1 sucked, however DLSS 2 was a gamechanger and this has been out for like 5 years now. 5 years later, AMD still can't deliver DLSS 2 image quality.

This is why AMD changes approach with FSR 4. Will probably require dedicated hardware on the chip. Maybe Radeon 8000 will be the first to get it. Meaning all other cards won't be able to use FSR 4.

Radeon 8000 series should deliver improved RT performance too. AMD officially said this was a focus with RDNA4. Lets hope, because even if you are not going to manually enable RT, performance will drop when more and more games has RT built in now.

AMD can't keep ignoring RT performance. Eventually it will be a requirement, as game developers don't want to waste time doing fake (baked) lighting.

 

[godrilla]

What AMD needs is FSR 4 that needs to be on DLSS-level in terms of quality.

FSR right now has tons of shimmering, jitter, and artifacts compared to DLSS. Even in the FSR native mode (AMDs counter to DLAA). DLSS 1 sucked, just like FSR 1 sucked, however DLSS 2 was a gamechanger and this has been out for like 5 years now. 5 years later, AMD still can't deliver DLSS 2 image quality.

This is why AMD changes approach with FSR 4. Will probably require dedicated hardware on the chip. Maybe Radeon 8000 will be the first to get it. Meaning all other cards won't be able to use FSR 4.

Radeon 8000 series should deliver improved RT performance too. AMD officially said this was a focus with RDNA4. Lets hope, because even if you are not going to manually enable RT, performance will drop when more and more games has RT built in now.

AMD can't keep ignoring RT performance. Eventually it will be a requirement, as game developers don't want to waste time doing fake (baked) lighting.

What's your take on 5070 only having 12 gigs of vram at rumored $600 and performance about 4070ti ?

 

[Rapob]

What's your take on 5070 only having 12 gigs of vram at rumored $600 and performance about 4070ti ?

My take is that is will probably deliver 4080 performance for 600 dollars. Memory compression is improved.

However hope to see 5070 Ti and 5080 Ti too.

There's a 24GB 5080/5080Ti coming.

As a 4090 owner, only 5090 is tempting but I will probably just wait for RTX 6000 series on 3nm, or wait for the 5080 Ti eventually.

5000 series is more like a refresh than an actual new gen if you ask me. Same 5nm node is used, minor refinements, GDDR7 upgrade etc. Nvidia don't really need to deliver something truly impressive this time (AMD is not competing) - only 5090 is going to be beastly for now.