Police are pulling people over because license plate cameras say their travel patterns look "suspicious"

[lostinlodos]

What are you doing? I have been pulled over less than 10 times in my over 20 years driving and most of these were speeding tickets in my early 20s.

Big truck, hemi engine, out of state plates, problematic route, driving exactly the speed limit with cruse control.
And I drive the same long routes a few times a year.

Haven’t had a ticket in 2 decades.
I know what they are looking for and support them doing random searches.

Wish we had more of those road side safety checks, known route checks etc. even when the obvious criminals get a pass like that stop mentioned in the article, at least they are getting that crap off our streets.

 

[Gars]

That what's happen, when the the tech is here, but ppl are decade behind

 

[Liranan]

How China of us. Soon we will have a social credit system as well.

China isn't this tyrannical.

 

[mgilbert]

He who gives up freedom in the name of security ultimately winds up with neither...

 

[JimF1]

Law enforcement should rather monitor "suspicious" patterns in the bank account of Billionaires and Politician.

US is probably under state capture. where does $40 Trillion go in debt? $22 Trillion only in the last few years. from that which is $10 Trillion in the last 4 years.

Yep and Obama and Biden added their fair share to the deficit.

 

[GoldenGoat]

The law is pretty clear: If the police have a suspicion that you are doing something illegal with a vehicle, they are allowed to conduct a traffic stop. Just because the cameras flagged this activity does not make the stop illegal.
Now how does any of that stop you from diving to a different city?

Or right, it doesnt, because we dont have a social credit system.

The police didn’t have the suspicion; Flock did. Police assume Flock is right and assume the person is a criminal when Flock flags something. Flock probably does lead to more arrests and criminals getting caught, but it probably also leads to more innocent people being disrupted too. How important is it to catch the criminal? Some people would not want to accept the risk of getting pulled over by mistake and some people probably would be ok with it (at least until it happens to them). In my opinion people should get to vote on this. It should be a democratic decision.

 

[lostinlodos]

but it probably also leads to more innocent people being disrupted too

I assume you never encountered even a dui checkpoint?
Never ran into one of those checkpoints on a highway exit ramp.
Flock cameras are no different than this stuff. Just better at pulling data together.

I’d suggest not leaving the bubble of North America and, to a lesser extent, Eastern Europe. Most countries have random road checks. Many countries have road blocks for safety inspections.

 

[GoldenGoat]

I assume you never encountered even a dui checkpoint?
Never ran into one of those checkpoints on a highway exit ramp.
Flock cameras are no different than this stuff. Just better at pulling data together.

I’d suggest not leaving the bubble of North America and, to a lesser extent, Eastern Europe. Most countries have random road checks. Many countries have road blocks for safety inspections.

Checkpoints are a violation of the 4th Amendment. The US doesn’t follow their Constitution, but if they did, checkpoints would be illegal. Cars, computers, and smartphones didn’t exist when they wrote it, and courts don’t honor the intent of the law. Phones and computers are the modern version of papers. Cars are a modern equivalent of houses. It should not have been taken so literally when those things didn’t exist when it was written. They should not be stopping you to check your car without probable cause, if they actually honored their Constitution.

 

[bigreddyde]

How China of us. Soon we will have a social credit system as well.

We already do...

 

[bigreddyde]

These technologies aren't going away. My best advice to criminals is: stop.

Criminals, huh....

 

[bigreddyde]

Yes, and those are darn handy for facilitating one private entity being willing to lend another private entity money at reasonable interest rates. And the contents of those reports are suitably focused on answering the narrow question is the borrower able to pay the money back, and has the borrower chosen to do so in the past. Especially handy in a country that does not have debtor's prison.

I find that a lot more reasonable than a government hosted system that counts if you spent enough minutes at the weekend flag waving ceremony, and blocks you from leisure travel or other random lifestyle punishments for lack of compliance.

So, is it okay for a prospective employer to check your credit?

I'm broke, in debt, need money, but they won't hire me because I'm broke, in debt, and need money...

Does that seem right to you?

 

[bigreddyde]

It’s happens to me, with and without ai cameras. I have no issue. They are checking for suspicious drivers.
I 95, I 55, and I 10 for me. Among others. I know exactly why and I’m perfectly ok with police doing routine stops.
I have a big powerful suv. With out of state plates. I drive a lot, don’t like to fly within the states. And I never speed.

Got pulled over before any of the cameras were around. And after.

Complain all you want about whatever. Clearly even though the blatant criminal walked away, they did get those drugs off the streets. These stops work, cameras involved or not.
I smile, only, and tell them thanks when they are done.

Lick any good boots lately?

 

[bigreddyde]

The law is pretty clear: If the police have a suspicion that you are doing something illegal with a vehicle, they are allowed to conduct a traffic stop.

*Reasonable suspicion

 

[brucek]

Does that seem right to you?

I know there are specific industries and job positions that are unable to hire people with demonstrated cash management problems, for security reasons. That may not sound fair but then again if a bunch of bank customers lost money because the bank placed the wrong person in a position of trust even though there was plenty of data telling them not to do so, I don't think many people would be sympathetic to the bank either.

But that's a minority of positions, and even then it's not as simple as needing a job = bad. Of course most people need a job. I think that check is about specific forms of intentional deception, potential signs of a gambling problem, recklessness, etc. And there's a reason companies are spending their own money to do it, and it's usually because they know they or other similar employers have suffered harms and been held accountable for their lack of sufficient diligence.

 

[bigreddyde]

I know there are specific industries and job positions that are unable to hire people with demonstrated cash management problems, for security reasons. That may not sound fair but then again if a bunch of bank customers lost money because the bank placed the wrong person in a position of trust even though there was plenty of data telling them not to do so, I don't think many people would be sympathetic to the bank either.

But that's a minority of positions, and even then it's not as simple as needing a job = bad. Of course most people need a job. I think that check is about specific forms of intentional deception, potential signs of a gambling problem, recklessness, etc. And there's a reason companies are spending their own money to do it, and it's usually because they know they or other similar employers have suffered harms and been held accountable for their lack of sufficient diligence.

Walmart does this..

 

[brucek]

Walmart does this..

That's news to me but I do know they have about ~1.6 million store associates in the US, generally starting at under $20/hour. I can't speak to what their criteria is but I think it's safe to assume they are not looking for documented millionaires with decade long streaks of perfect credit and paid-off mortgages.

And for a company generally not known for wasting money, if they were willing to pay say an average $15 per report, plus the management time to request and read it, plus the extra hiring expense to have to forego certain candidates, there's probably a very good reason for that $25+ million expenditure (just for the current employees; the historical total including ex-associates is probably well over $100 million.)

 

[JimF1]

I assume you never encountered even a dui checkpoint?
Never ran into one of those checkpoints on a highway exit ramp.
Flock cameras are no different than this stuff. Just better at pulling data together.

I’d suggest not leaving the bubble of North America and, to a lesser extent, Eastern Europe. Most countries have random road checks. Many countries have road blocks for safety inspections.

I live in the US, have been driving for 44 years and have never encountered a DUI check point.

 

[DirtyDan]

I assume you never encountered even a dui checkpoint?
Never ran into one of those checkpoints on a highway exit ramp.
Flock cameras are no different than this stuff. Just better at pulling data together.

I’d suggest not leaving the bubble of North America and, to a lesser extent, Eastern Europe. Most countries have random road checks. Many countries have road blocks for safety inspections.

Never encountered a dui checkpoint. I dont put myself in situations to be in one.

I have left North America plenty of times. I have lived in Japan. Not a single random road check. Been deployed to the sandbox. Only random checkpoints there were IEDs and the enemy. But hey, keep taking these passive aggressive digs disguised as "advice".

 

[lostinlodos]

Lick any good boots lately?

Not sorry in the slightest for believing in abiding by the law, protecting our communities, stopping criminals.
If that’s what you call boot licking, I’m fine with your opinion.

 

[lostinlodos]

Never encountered a dui checkpoint. I dont put myself in situations to be in one.

Guess it’s location or timing for you. Live in a large urban area, they all the time on Friday and Saturday nights.

I have left North America plenty of times. I have lived in Japan

Didn’t think I’d have to mention to ignore Japan, which basically has a Western implication of rights, guess I did.
Try the vast majority of Asia though, Africa, South America, Eastern Europe.

Point was it’s common in most of the world. It does serve to stop crime. It’s not really a disruption, it’s public safety.

Thanks for your service though. Respect.

 

[bigreddyde]

That's news to me but I do know they have about ~1.6 million store associates in the US, generally starting at under $20/hour. I can't speak to what their criteria is but I think it's safe to assume they are not looking for documented millionaires with decade long streaks of perfect credit and paid-off mortgages.

And for a company generally not known for wasting money, if they were willing to pay say an average $15 per report, plus the management time to request and read it, plus the extra hiring expense to have to forego certain candidates, there's probably a very good reason for that $25+ million expenditure (just for the current employees; the historical total including ex-associates is probably well over $100 million.)

Around 25 years ago, I knew a guy who was turned down by Walmart. Someone had stolen his identity.