Police in Beverly Hills are playing copyrighted music to deter livestreaming

Adhmuz

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I more than understand the willingness to jump to conclusion and think the police officer is in the wrong here, I've had my fair share of abusive incidents with my local PD growing up, but just for a second read a little further into what is going on here.

Individuals will go out of there way to give cops a hard time now just looking for a reaction just to make a video worthy of going viral, and this one "Devermont" is likely no different, even to have been labeled as an activist by her local PD. So far as to say she had this happen on multiple occasions, likely because this individual is harassing the PD, and yet loves to play the victim on social media to get people worked up and on her side.
 

Hexic

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Just another California native who makes his living framing himself as an edgy, social justice warrior filming police and getting a rise out of his gullible audience.

Look him up, he simply enjoys stirring the pot. He isn't for "citizens and police alike", as his description claims. Another clown with a camera, cherry picking as they all do for views.
 

brucek

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So far as to say she had this happen on multiple occasions, likely because this individual is harassing the PD, and yet loves to play the victim on social media to get people worked up and on her side.
Let's say that's all true, which isn't hard to believe. I'd still say the solution for that does not involve obscuring a public record of the event. Let the rabble-rouser come off as a rabble-rouser and the officer come off as well-trained law enforcement professional, and leave it at that.
 

yRaz

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All true. But when the rare thing that does happen leads to mass riots, civil unrest, buildings burned, other cops far away assassinated, and serious people talking about defunding police, it demands serious attention.
All the big ticket items that people burned cities down for were stupid showing just how dumb the protestors are. Whether it's people protesting a pimp charging at a police officer with a knife getting shot or someone high on meth and fentanyl screaming they can't breathe. A quick question about that last one, how are you talking if you can't get air into your lungs?

Sure, lets film everything, I know of police departments in my area that film all interactions because it, in fact, protects the police officers from false accusations. But from what I've seen of the videos that people are protesting, the person being charged was in the wrong. If people still burn down cities after video evidence proves that excessive force was not used or justified then what is the point?

Let the people burn their own cities down and let them sleep in the ashes of a bed that they burned for no justifiable reason.




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terzaerian

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Sure, lets film everything, I know of police departments in my area that film all interactions because it, in fact, protects the police officers from false accusations. But from what I've seen of the videos that people are protesting, the person being charged was in the wrong. If people still burn down cities after video evidence proves that excessive force was not used or justified then what is the point?
Along that line, and you would THINK that subscribers to a website like Techspot would realize this, but what do I know, is that video storage isn't free, mate. How do you expect police departments to shoot, index, preserve, and then produce on request "multiple angles" of all these critical incidents and hire third-party investigators while entertaining activist calls to defund them? Department budgets are largely tied up paying personnel, and the first place they cut is equipment. You're not going to get more body cameras and more accountability in that kind of climate.

But then, all of this assumes that the police protests are being made in good faith, which is a leaped-to conclusion in the first place.
 

yRaz

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Along that line, and you would THINK that subscribers to a website like Techspot would realize this, but what do I know, is that video storage isn't free, mate. How do you expect police departments to shoot, index, preserve, and then produce on request "multiple angles" of all these critical incidents and hire third-party investigators while entertaining activist calls to defund them? Department budgets are largely tied up paying personnel, and the first place they cut is equipment. You're not going to get more body cameras and more accountability in that kind of climate.

But then, all of this assumes that the police protests are being made in good faith, which is a leaped-to conclusion in the first place.
It's not like it's being filmed in 4k at multiple angles, it's less of a problem than people think. And it realistically could only need to be stored for up to a year if it is not related to an on going case. In if a petabyte of storage can last youtubers like Linus Media Group a year storing 8k RAW footage I'm sure police departments can make something like that work just fine.
 

brucek

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Give me a break, the cost of storage is trivial next to the costs deriving from even a single contested incident, and getting cheaper all the time. Police already spend a lot of money and manpower on record-keeping (written reports, evidence handling, etc.) and that's because it's been an essential part of the job from the very beginning. Improvements in AI that perhaps could one day auto-write the reports and transcripts from the automatically recorded video could actually be huge budget savers in the long run, not to mention huge cost savings from cases that never go to trial because the evidence is iron clad from the beginning.

or someone high on meth and fentanyl screaming they can't breathe
The mass protests were not because he was being nominated for citizen of the year. They were because he died while already firmly in police custody - already handcuffed, with an officer's knee on his neck (in violation of dept rules), and surrounded by 3 other officers (not intervening), and being one more example of a situation that happens severely disproportionately to minorities.

Even if you still don't get it, it doesn't matter. As long as big huge chunks of the US see it that way, there is going to be serious civil unrest until it finds a way to better document and justify the truly unpreventable uses of deadly force, and to prevent the ones that didn't need to happen.
 

Dimitriid

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I won't disagree there are crazy people in every job. But the percentage is less than a percent of them. Just like every job. You on the other hand think 25% of cops are just out and about waiting to kill black people is ridiculous. The problem is cops have to deal with the worst of the worst. Any other normal job we don't deal with as many crazy people..

The important percent is the percentage of "Bad apple" cops that face any consequences: Just about 0% by my count in 2020. So it could be 1% or 10% or 50% of all of the force, the mere fact that we are saying "Yes, they can commit homicide in cold blood and nobody has any recourse against them, even the newly elected administration will do nothing to stop them" is the important part here.

Also implying just existing as a Black person is the same as being "The worst of the worst" it's just about the most racist thing you can say without actually posting actually bigoted comments: We're talking children, unarmed men, a woman sleeping on her own apartment with 0 probably cause and an incorrectly executed search warrant, yet you somehow can't see how this is just a racist attack on people of color? It must be they're "the worst of the worst"?
 

terzaerian

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Give me a break, the cost of storage is trivial next to the costs deriving from even a single contested incident, and getting cheaper all the time.
Which is why my post specifically stated "shoot, index, preserve, and then produce". Of course the cost of a goddam platter drive is trivial. The expertise to run hundreds if not thousands of cameras, servers, and infrastructure across a metropolitan area, interpret law dealing with personal privacy and public records, and manage all the staff doing that, is not. It's certainly beyond the means of departments in smaller communities.

Police already spend a lot of money and manpower on record-keeping (written reports, evidence handling, etc.) and that's because it's been an essential part of the job from the very beginning.
It's boggling that you then go on to acknowledge that record-keeping is inherently expensive. And that's just text reports! Video is far more expensive and difficult to work with, and that is multiplied against the inherently extremely sensitive nature of the information involved.

It's not like it's being filmed in 4k at multiple angles, it's less of a problem than people think. And it realistically could only need to be stored for up to a year if it is not related to an on going case. In if a petabyte of storage can last youtubers like Linus Media Group a year storing 8k RAW footage I'm sure police departments can make something like that work just fine.
You say video is "cheap" but then cite Linus Media Group, a YouTube outfit whose entire purpose is building 6-figure computers. Come again?
 

brucek

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My points are not inconsistent. Storing video is a trivial incremental cost relative to an overall significant record-keeping budget and the total value produced by a fair, transparent and trusted justice system. I agree administering and processing video for use in a contested case like a trial can add lots of expense, but then again that's also always been true of written records, eyewitness testimony, forensic evidence, etc. and video is probably much cheaper relative to its effectiveness than any of those. And again, preventing the dept from needing to settle even a single civil case over a wrongful death will easily pay for a whole year's budget.
 

yRaz

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You say video is "cheap" but then cite Linus Media Group, a YouTube outfit whose entire purpose is building 6-figure computers. Come again?
Basically all of their builds are from products given to them by sponsors and they've only build a few computers that have even come close to 6 figures, such as 11 gamers 1 CPU. Aside from that, they are just a media company, Linus addresses this in one of his videos on how Linus Media Group makes money. They've built a few computers in the low 5 figures, but their whole thing about their whole purpose is building 6-figure computers is fubar. Frankly, it's actually fairly difficult to build a 6 figure computer unless you're talking about servers.

Storage is cheap, I'm sure plenty of people on this forum have a home NAS with enough storage for a years worth of a departments police footage. Mix that with hundred million dollar budgets for major police departments and the problem goes away entirely.
 

cliffordcooley

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What's insane about it?
The fact they were not involved to begin with. Traffic stops are usually only two parties. When a third party becomes involved, there is greater risk of things going wrong. Neither of the two initial parties want that. If you were not previously involved. Stay out of it. Because you don't know whats going on, and neither will your viewership.
 

brucek

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Totally agree a third party should not insert themselves into the mix. They don't need to speak, distract, touch, or have any direct involvement. I don't see much point in posting a routine encounter either. But as a silent witness, or even better a silent witness with video to back them up, I'd appreciate having them on call as needed. They may even serve to make it less likely they'd be needed in the first place, if the occasional officer willing to bend the rules was less likely to do so when they knew they were on camera.

Our legal systems are built in large part on transparency with limited exceptions. That should extend all the way down to street-level enforcement.
 

terzaerian

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Basically all of their builds are from products given to them by sponsors and they've only build a few computers that have even come close to 6 figures, such as 11 gamers 1 CPU. Aside from that, they are just a media company, Linus addresses this in one of his videos on how Linus Media Group makes money. They've built a few computers in the low 5 figures, but their whole thing about their whole purpose is building 6-figure computers is fubar. Frankly, it's actually fairly difficult to build a 6 figure computer unless you're talking about servers.

Storage is cheap, I'm sure plenty of people on this forum have a home NAS with enough storage for a years worth of a departments police footage. Mix that with hundred million dollar budgets for major police departments and the problem goes away entirely.
The difference is your home storage NAS isn't subject to regulatory requirements regarding best practices for security of personal identifying information and you don't have to be certified regularly on those requirements, and your home storage NAS isn't getting the output of hundreds of unindexed dash cams and body cams pumped into it every hour of every day.

The caliber of equipment and staff a department needs for this is not free, not cheap, and not going to magically materialize into existence when a budget is being slashed thanks to protestors being sicced on it by cynical political elites trying to drum up their base.
 

scavengerspc

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Splitter.ai will easily remove music from an audio track.
Bingo. I am far from an expert when it comes to audio\video work and software.
I have what I need and know only what I need to know to make it work for my videos but I do know it would not be very hard to remove the music from the video.
 
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candle_86

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What's insane about it? The officer is given unique powers that can result in violent harm up to and including your death. Having the circumstances recorded seems like a very mild tradeoff if it's one at all.

As a white child growing up in a nice neighborhood I didn't get it. Then I got to college, met a wider range of people, and started to hear all their firsthand accounts of mistreatment at the hands of police.

We need police officers, we need to trust them, and we need to verify that trust was not misplaced.

I'm sorry but all they did was make a normal traffic stop into a tense situation. They 100% ignored the officer when he told them to return to their car, so instead he told me to wait went back to his car and called them back up and two more cars showed up before he ever gave me a speeding ticket. All that ***** did was make what should have been a minute long stop take a good 10 minutes because he's a jerk. Not the officer, the ***** on the phone
 

Adhmuz

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Let's say that's all true, which isn't hard to believe. I'd still say the solution for that does not involve obscuring a public record of the event. Let the rabble-rouser come off as a rabble-rouser and the officer come off as well-trained law enforcement professional, and leave it at that.
Excellent use of rabble-rouser.
 

quadibloc

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someone high on meth and fentanyl screaming they can't breathe. A quick question about that last one, how are you talking if you can't get air into your lungs?
If that's your take on the death of George Floyd, don't be surprised that no one will take you seriously.
He died of suffocation, and someone's knee was on his neck. Of course he might use hsi last breath to try and get that situation changed, because he had hoped the officer would listen after being advised of the situation.
None the less, despite having been warned, the officer did not change his actions, and the death of George Floyd did result.
I know that BLM has raised some questionable cases. But that doesn't change this: black people in America want change, and they have every right to demand it. It's unfortunate that they feel they don't have many options when it comes to getting change.
After all, black people aren't 51% of the American people, so they don't control how elections turn out.
And they've been the target of voter suppression for a long, long time. The history of the Ku Klux Klan didn't make the Republican party ashamed of itself, so that it wouldn't play tricks like closing polling stations. And when measures taken to prevent the election from turning into a superspreader event meant that voter suppression didn't work...
Oh, the election was "rigged".
And then the Capitol riots. Now here's an unruly mob that really was intent on killing people if it had gotten its hands on them, not just doing some property damage.
Fix the problem. Make our cities places where law-abiding black citizens can walk with their heads held high with the same feeling of security as white people in nice neighborhods.
You're running out of time.
 

bandit8623

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The important percent is the percentage of "Bad apple" cops that face any consequences: Just about 0% by my count in 2020. So it could be 1% or 10% or 50% of all of the force, the mere fact that we are saying "Yes, they can commit homicide in cold blood and nobody has any recourse against them, even the newly elected administration will do nothing to stop them" is the important part here.

Also implying just existing as a Black person is the same as being "The worst of the worst" it's just about the most racist thing you can say without actually posting actually bigoted comments: We're talking children, unarmed men, a woman sleeping on her own apartment with 0 probably cause and an incorrectly executed search warrant, yet you somehow can't see how this is just a racist attack on people of color? It must be they're "the worst of the worst"?
the fact you took I only meant black people when I said worst of the worst is sad on your part. and this proves you are the racist. I wasnt talking about only black people I literally meant cops are called when bad things happen.. so it could be any race. in fact nothing in my comment had anything to do with race. it was based on people video recording. stupid people assuming its always about race. every group of people has shitty people.

typical liberal changing what they read to what they wanted to hear to make a stink
 

cliffordcooley

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But that doesn't change this: black people in America want change, and they have every right to demand it.
No they don't. Their life is equally as harsh as every one else's life around them. This is not a fight among races. This is a fight against the upper class. Upper class is funding conflict between the lower class. It just one big political game to them.
 

imdarkbreeze

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To Protect & Serve?

Or to cover up illegal/ criminal activity?

As a Youtuber, it annoys me that there are places where I'd love to record that play copyrighted music, but there are countermeasures I can take.

#1 It doesn't stop someone from simply muting the clip - or, if they are experiences in sound production - reducing the music and increasing the gains on the voice.

It seems to me the cops themselves could also be brought up on charges because they'd in effect be providing a public demonstration of copyrighted music, but I'll let the RIAA deal with them.
That's funny. Like the RIAA is going to hassle a public government controlled entity like the police department, when there are so many normal people out there with neither the means nor the resources or influential contacts to fight off a lawsuit like a police department could if they had to.

The police need to quit worrying about what will be said if people see what they actually do while somebody is filming them, and simply stop doing crap they have to worry about, at ALL times, so that they don't have to WORRY about whether anybody is filming them or not.

Somebody, somewhere, needs to incontrovertibly get it through the heads of these police departments, nationwide, that they themselves are NOT above the law and that they ARE only SERVANTS of the public, through widescale retraining and severe punitive actions for ANY police officer caught breaking the law just like any other citizen would be.

We need police, but we need police who understand that being a police officer does not make them some kind of judicial trifecta or God. As to the RIAA, yeah, we could probably entirely do without those folks altogether.

I think we've gotten past the point where we have to worry all that much about whether artists are getting fairly compensated for their recordings, as evidenced by the grotesque amounts of money getting exchanged by those who are involved. Whether artist or recording house, is a different argument.
 

krisstarr

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You are living in a fantasy world, The police are not your friend and one of the problems is that the police fail to police themselves. So we have a few bad cops, that are covered by the "good cops". The bad cops then get away with serious crimes so we the people have lost faith in the cops, for good reasoning.
 

Uncle Al

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LOL.... stop individuals from being able to unionize? wow! sounds like you love the big guys. sorry to say when it comes to big organaizations like government and coorps unions ARE needed. im not sying unions are perfect... they are far from it.

Been a union man for over 30 years, currently a union steward, and sorry but municipals work at the convenience of the municipality and do not need union coverage other than collective bargaining. Taxpayer have a right to insist on it.