Putin heaps praise on "outstanding" Elon Musk, says Russia's moon missions will continue

[whateversa]

I suspect much of this is not presented accurately.

1) Crimea did not have Starlink coverage and the original reason given was to prevent russians from using starlink.
2) Even if SpaceX was to suddenly turn coverage on (if it could be done in time of the request), it means his civilian infrastructure is now used explicitly as military infrastructure and becomes a target for Russia to attack. All that while he is providing a free service (they were not paid at the time).

 

[whateversa]

All anyone needs to remember about Musk that he called the diver who rescued the children trapped in the cave a few years back a pedo. That says it all about Musk.

I believe the diver actually started the conflict and insults. I'm not a musk fan, but lets keep it honest.

 

[Bobbydpue]

Nah, turned out he's not so smart when trying to play geopolitics. ALL OF A SUDDEN.

I.e. he was dumb enough to throw something like that before, and now US gov wanna have him by the balls while putin totally happy to play along so US would topple over this kind of "great asset" like musk and his spaceX&starlink

Is this English?

 

[Bobbydpue]

Well both sides are committing atrocities and one side has neo nazi units (Azov); so it's more like a mini Eastern Front 2.0

At least one of the founders of Azov supported neo-Nazi ideals, but by 2014 antisemitism was no longer a part of the organization and by 2016 Jewish Ukrainians were supporting the group. Azov became part of the Ukrainian military in 2015.

Plenty of those who worked for Wagner were also convicted murderers, rapists, thieves and neo-Nazis like Dmitry Utkin. I don't know what point you are trying to make, I'm sure both sides have done things that aren't awesome since, you know, it's a war, however, Russia has bombed entire civilian cities with no military asset, their soldiers have purposefully targeted and killed civilians. The Russian government cares so little about human life they've sent their own lower-class untrained and under equipped citizens into walls of bullets specifically to die so that spotters can determine where defensive positions are.

Yevgeny Prigozhin told the Russia people the invasion was for false pretenses which the entire western world knows. Why would anyone trust anything coming from Russia government when it's impossible to determine what the truth is since they lie about nearly everything.

 

[VaRmeNsI]

Elon is just backing the winning side.

 

[Angga B]

What's the problem of praising someone even if that someone is your enemy? Grown men do that all the time, they have to first acknowledge their adversaries even praise them for their achievements. One simply need to do that since knowing oneself and also one's enemy, strenghts and weaknesses, is the basic key ingredients for success in the competition, or even war.

In this particular case, Putin also implied that rocket science is never easy hence why it's being called as "rocket science". Russia sometimes failed, America too, also Elon, everyone has their own time of failures. Only one's character, strength and perseverance could brought failures into success.

Please grow up.

 

[Uncle Al]

Musk is pro-communist and therefore should be treated the same way.

 

[wiyosaya]

Nah, turned out he's not so smart when trying to play geopolitics. ALL OF A SUDDEN.

I.e. he was dumb enough to throw something like that before, and now US gov wanna have him by the balls while putin totally happy to play along so US would topple over this kind of "great asset" like musk and his spaceX&starlink

More like Useful Id!ot, IMO.

 

[wiyosaya]

I believe the diver actually started the conflict and insults. I'm not a musk fan, but lets keep it honest.

"Beliefs" are not honest. Here's the story https://www.foxnews.com/tech/elon-m...land-boys-a-pedo-for-slamming-his-rescue-idea
And if stating technical facts counts as truth or starting insults and conflict, perhaps you should look up the definition of the words starting conflict and insults in a dictionary somewhere.

 

[loki1944]

At least one of the founders of Azov supported neo-Nazi ideals, but by 2014 antisemitism was no longer a part of the organization and by 2016 Jewish Ukrainians were supporting the group. Azov became part of the Ukrainian military in 2015.

Plenty of those who worked for Wagner were also convicted murderers, rapists, thieves and neo-Nazis like Dmitry Utkin. I don't know what point you are trying to make, I'm sure both sides have done things that aren't awesome since, you know, it's a war, however, Russia has bombed entire civilian cities with no military asset, their soldiers have purposefully targeted and killed civilians. The Russian government cares so little about human life they've sent their own lower-class untrained and under equipped citizens into walls of bullets specifically to die so that spotters can determine where defensive positions are.

Yevgeny Prigozhin told the Russia people the invasion was for false pretenses which the entire western world knows. Why would anyone trust anything coming from Russia government when it's impossible to determine what the truth is since they lie about nearly everything.

If you look at Ukrainian operations on the Axis side; it gets clear fast that their complicity in the extermination of Russian civilians was quite well documented; so again no surprise as far as racism and atrocities on both sides of the fence. This stuff goes back a lot further than 2014; this is a Balkans level situation with all the ethnic hatred and disregard for human rights that is entailed.

 

[mbk34]

Elon is just backing the winning side.

Before the war Russia was supposed to have the 2nd strongest army in the world, now it appears to have the 2nd strongest army in Ukraine. Meanwhile, after the sinking of the Moskva, their navy is hiding from Ukraine who don't even have a navy. I suspect Elon might regret his decision here and learn to get on the same page as the rest of the world.

 

[wiyosaya]

Awwww! Poor Putie! His ships got hit anyway. https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...crimea-russian-installed-governor-2023-09-13/
Just goes to show that determination will get you farther than "Broken Link" from SpaceX courtesy of Elon Musk.

 

[wiyosaya]

Before the war Russia was supposed to have the 2nd strongest army in the world,

Obviously, that was Russian Propaganda.

now it appears to have the 2nd strongest army in Ukraine. Meanwhile, after the sinking of the Moskva, their navy is hiding from Ukraine who don't even have a navy. I suspect Elon might regret his decision here and learn to get on the same page as the rest of the world.

Yes, the Russian military has shown the world its true colors.

 

[Plutoisaplanet]

There is a next nazi nation brewing. And to not recognize it, or similarly by saying "they are neither allies nor enemies," shows lack of common knowledge of our history and outcomes of one nation's need to expand disregarding international laws or even simple human empathy.

Not acknowledging the difference of the rest of Europe post-WW1 is a major flaw in your argument. Europe was going through a significant depression, it was almost entirely demilitarized, France put its primary defenses in old structures that were not up to par, and Germany was truly mistreated after WW1. I’m not saying that to excuse Germany’s Nazi regime, but to highlight the reasons such a major war brewed like it did.

In addition, the US’s responses to each world war were impeccable. Unlike every other war since, the US was above reproach in almost every ethical criteria. Every opponent the US faced in WW1 and WW2 is now an ally. Instead, it was only the other winners (China and Russia) who continued doing things their way and embraced communism.

Most of the US’s policies in the cold war were agreeable as they limited the spread of communism, but I absolutely favor the isolationist policy maintained by the US from the revolutionary war through WW2. Would you really change the US’s foreign policy during this time, and have you considered what the repercussions would be as a result?

Ah yes, the "smart" billionaire and his shills are now pushing the blame for backstabbing Ukraine towards the White House.

How original!!

Ah yes, the reason the war isn’t over has entirely to do with Musk’s “malice” by lack of action in one particular operation and nothing else. Lets at least acknowledge that he’s being used as a scapegoat, and there are more significant reasons that this war isn’t over.

 

[toooooot]

In addition, the US’s responses to each world war were impeccable.

Each response meant many lives lost. Instead of responses, there should be more active actions against anyone who starts to behave like a typical dictator on his quest of conquering his neighbors before they start threatening entire world. Russia should have been strangled not in 2022 but much much earlier.

 

[nulll]

And yet strangely it feels a lot like pre ww2. Russians committed war atrocities, rape torture murder of adults and children.
Russia walks step in step where Germans did before. And they must pay for that or else this conflict will only grow.
Familiarize yourself what is a common believe among Putin's people (and such his too).
Or let me bring few believes: "Baltic countries had no right to split" "northern Kaakstan owns our territories, it must be returned" "Ukraine and Belorussia should be a part of Russia" and finally, "We did not lose everything after USSR fell apart, west made it and therefore this is unfair and must be all returned."
There is a next nazi nation brewing. And to not recognize it, or similarly by saying "they are neither allies nor enemies," shows lack of common knowledge of our history and outcomes of one nation's need to expand disregarding international laws or even simple human empathy.

Here in Canada there is a literal bus tour crossing the country with the intent of educating the average Canadian about the particularly egregious history the Russians (Soviets) are guilty of here with regard to Ukraine. When I saw a bus with the word "Holodomor" written in 5ft high letters down the side of it I nearly put my car off the road.

Holodomor Mobile Classroom | Holodomor National Awareness Tour – Ukrainian famine-genocide

This is yet another point of our species history that MUST be taught to Highschool students.

 

[MyIOnU]

Cry all you want. Maybe other democrat billionaires are willing to open their pocket and provide communication for FREE to Ukraine then. Elon can do whatever to his equipment.

 

[kinetix]

Remember when some folks either said 'Well it's not technically Treason' or were far more outraged in their responses? I bet you might want to reconsider how well those comments aged since this pretty much settles that the 'warnings' to take Starlink offline came directly from the top man in Russia it seems.

At the very least we can agree that if a private company will offer services to a military operation of a US or US ally they should immediately and irrevocably lose control of day-to-day operations and required quite an exhaustive process to terminate their contracts: I'm sure if these terms are unacceptable to mr Musk other ventures will step in to offer satellite based telecommunications.

No, my friend, if he did it BEFORE having any legal agreement with the DoD, what he did with his assets is his business, which were assets given "free" as help. If his initial conditions were not to use them in that way, he had every right to do whatever he wanted. If then / spacex reach a formal agreement with the DoD, that is another matter and he is tied to the agreements. What he or anyone thinks or stops thinking, does or doesn't do about the conflict does not matter to anyone, if he or she is not bound by some explicit agreement or law.

 

[kinetix]

And yet strangely it feels a lot like pre ww2. Russians committed war atrocities, rape torture murder of adults and children.
Russia walks step in step where Germans did before. And they must pay for that or else this conflict will only grow.
Familiarize yourself what is a common believe among Putin's people (and such his too).
Or let me bring few believes: "Baltic countries had no right to split" "northern Kaakstan owns our territories, it must be returned" "Ukraine and Belorussia should be a part of Russia" and finally, "We did not lose everything after USSR fell apart, west made it and therefore this is unfair and must be all returned."
There is a next nazi nation brewing. And to not recognize it, or similarly by saying "they are neither allies nor enemies," shows lack of common knowledge of our history and outcomes of one nation's need to expand disregarding international laws or even simple human empathy.

then, you wake up and discover the level of "public relations" to which you have been subjected, to take you to such a level of ezchisophrenia to be manipulated as certain powers wish...

 

[kinetix]

At least one of the founders of Azov supported neo-Nazi ideals, but by 2014 antisemitism was no longer a part of the organization and by 2016 Jewish Ukrainians were supporting the group. Azov became part of the Ukrainian military in 2015.

Plenty of those who worked for Wagner were also convicted murderers, rapists, thieves and neo-Nazis like Dmitry Utkin. I don't know what point you are trying to make, I'm sure both sides have done things that aren't awesome since, you know, it's a war, however, Russia has bombed entire civilian cities with no military asset, their soldiers have purposefully targeted and killed civilians. The Russian government cares so little about human life they've sent their own lower-class untrained and under equipped citizens into walls of bullets specifically to die so that spotters can determine where defensive positions are.

Yevgeny Prigozhin told the Russia people the invasion was for false pretenses which the entire western world knows. Why would anyone trust anything coming from Russia government when it's impossible to determine what the truth is since they lie about nearly everything.

Damn, the level of effects of PR and mental enemas are great in this one...
also, you believe Prigozhin depending on whether what he said suits you or not.

 

[kinetix]

Well both sides are committing atrocities and one side has neo nazi units (Azov); so it's more like a mini Eastern Front 2.0

Azov, Sich, Dnipro, Kraken, etc etc etc. Damn, I can't see more than two photos or videos (even published by their own MoD or Gov) about the ukrainian forces mostly from the western regions, at least the most "famous" ones, in which there is not at least one nax or their minions derived symbol. they have been seen even in the "western media", and many do not even blink about it...

 

[kinetix]

Here in Canada there is a literal bus tour crossing the country with the intent of educating the average Canadian about the particularly egregious history the Russians (Soviets) are guilty of here with regard to Ukraine. When I saw a bus with the word "Holodomor" written in 5ft high letters down the side of it I nearly put my car off the road.

Holodomor Mobile Classroom | Holodomor National Awareness Tour – Ukrainian famine-genocide

This is yet another point of our species history that MUST be taught to Highschool students.

that event is one of the most conveniently manipulated things in this story. in first place, it is shouted by the ukrainian ultra-nationalists, an ideology mostly originated in the western regions where the famine did not occur, regions which even back then did not belong to the ussr, but to poland, hungary and romania (you should read about the events that occurred in those regions In the 1930s and 1940s, its perpetrators, and how and who considers them today, it is interesting that latter many ended up in England and Canada. what a coincidence that you see what you say there in Canada, right?) This event occurred mostly in the central regions and the northern and southern regions, the latter two only a few years before were territory of Russia (after the fall of the tsarist empire), added by Lenin's government to the then socialist republic of Ukraine at the founding of the USSR. But what everyone conveniently forgets is that it also happened in Belarus, in Russia, in Georgia (and Stalin was Georgian) and even in Kazakhstan. some also like to forget that a good part of the leadership of the Soviet government was from the regions which they then called Ukraine. what happen? Do those other dead people not matter? Are they less important and useless for previous or current anti-Soviet and anti-Russian narratives/policies?
It reminds me a lot of the Holocaust, how TV series, movies, documentaries, books and everything else is made about the case of the Jews, but all the other dead are forgotten and never mentioned; the opponents, communists, homosexuals, disabled, gypsies, minorities of all types. but no, those are not important for certain lobbies, politicians, media.... but the amplification and historiography is done at convenience, so...