Avro Arrow
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*pssst!!!* You're unwittingly feeding a troll.
Radeon RX 6600 XT vs. GeForce RTX 3060: Tested in 30 Games
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Avro Arrow
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I find that visuals which are inferior to today's are easily ignored. Hell, I found hours of enjoyment playing the original Starflight from 1986 the other day using DOSBOX. I'm kinda blessed in that the first video games I played were on the Atari 2600. I had learnt to use my imagination to supplement the meagre graphics and have done so automatically to this day. I actually still enjoy busting out the old Wolfenstein 3D and gunning down those horribly-pixelated Nazis.
Avro Arrow
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I don't think that I've ever seen Beerfloat's "opinion" be anything other than "GeForce, yay!" and "Radeon, boo!" so I wouldn't take him too seriously.
SkinjaBread Man
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Can you elaborate?
im not doubting your experience, because I do hear it a lot, even from a close friend who went AMD due to availability after being Nvidia for a long time.
I cant really argue the point either, because I have always been AMD for the last 10 years (mind you thats only 2 pcs and about 3 GPUs in that time)
ive had a HD5850, r9 280X, Rx580. ive also had some friends go from intel and nvidia over to all AMD and not have any complaints at all. and in my limited experience, I've not had issues with my AMD cards in regards to bugginess or driver problems. (again, im not saying they dont exist).
but yeah, just interested is all.
Sausagemeat
Posts: 1,597 +1,423
Biggest current issue is the black screen bug, I initially thought it was my monitor or a cable but after changing all those things I know it’s a Radeon thing. No mans sky suffers horrible frame times due to some Radeon bug (look it up). This has been going on unfixed for 2 years now. Drivers in general for my rx480 are ok but my god do I pity anyone with a Fury or Vega 7. If your Radeon card doesn’t sell well then AMD basically leave you out in the cold driver wise.
And speaking of the drivers installing them can be a lottery. On two occasions a Radeon driver install has corrupted and I’ve needed to reinstall windows. Several games have flickering assets in them which has gone unfixed and still acknowledged on the AMD website. They keep updating the UI of the software. Sure it’s all pretty but it’s annoying that they move everything around all the time. I wish it was ugly but consistent. Oh I have a clock speed bug where the card doesn’t boost for some reason every now and then, AMD have acknowledged it but done nothing about it. Thousands of users are complaining in forums.
It used to be the case that Radeon owned the competition at the lower price points but now they charge top money and think that better average frame rates allow them to do so. But it’s lacking DLSS, Ray tracing etc. you don’t spend big money on a GPU with no features. Buying a 6900XT is like buying a tuned up Honda civic and paying Lamborghini money for it.
Id take a 3060 over a 6600XT, I’d even pay more for it. Buying a GPU is really not all about average frame rates. Nvidia drivers, features and software are all far far superior to what AMD offer. Radeon is snake oil, a lot of people have bad experiences with it and turn off it, that’s why their market share is so pathetically tiny. They’ve lost me over the last decade or so. They will continue upset most of their customers until their market share is literally just the fans, as they haven’t changed a bit.
Avro Arrow
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Well, I can attest to the fact that the RX 5000 series has had some SERIOUS hiccups. Now, I think that it's probably the fault of AIB partners because, as Steve Walton and Steve Burke both pointed out, they were unable to re-create the issues that people had been experiencing with their RX 5700 XT cards.
The thing is, the cards that they get for testing are ALWAYS the top-end fancy-pants, RGB-loving cards like Steve's beloved PowerColor RX 5700 XT Red Devil. These aren't exactly a good representation of what most people buy because who's going to spend an extra $200 just for a glowing Red Devil logo in their PC and maybe a 7fps increase? I mean, sure, it is beautifully done and some people do buy them but they are the exception rather than the rule. I always get the cheapest versions of cards that I can because the performance differences between the different variants tends to be insignificant. Also, I don't OC my video cards so I'm not concerned about them running above stock speeds.
The reason for my theory about Steve's inability to reproduce the problems that people have had is that I had ordered an XFX RX 5700 XT Triple-Dissipation (which was a whopping $90CAD cheaper than the standard going price on the ASRock and Gigabyte cards). Since I'd never had a problem with XFX cards before (I ran twin XFX HD4870s in crossfire for years with perfect stability), I didn't care how cheap it was. It was a Radeon RX 5700 XT made by a recognised brand, a brand that I'd used before with no issues and that was good enough for me.
However, that thing was SO unstable that I took it out and slotted one of my (Sapphire) R9 Furies back in. I didn't even bother changing the driver (because they use the same one) and immediately, all of my problems ceased. Clearly, the problem was the card itself because if it were the driver, swapping my R9 Fury back in wouldn't have immediately restored full system stability like it did. So, I sent my Triple-Dissipation card in to XFX for RMA.
Fortunately, the R9 Fury is still usable for most games (it even ran GODFALL decently! LOL) so it's not like I was really suffering while I waited. In fact, when the replacement card arrived, I waited until the weekend to put it in my rig because my case is gigantic and heavy. It's an old-school heavy-gauge steel monolithic full tower and it's a pain in the butt to work on. The upside is that you could theoretically run a server out of it.
So, the Triple-Dissipation card had been triggering a buzzing green screen accompanied by a system power reset. Now, I've seen driver issues cause in-game artifacts and I've seen them cause entire games to crash to the desktop, but never a system power reset. This little conundrum was puzzling me out of my mind because there's no way that my PSU was the problem:
As you can see, I don't cheap out when it comes to power supplies.
It was XFX who actually (unintentionally) gave me my theory. This is because instead sending me another Triple-Dissipation card, they sent me a THICC III. When installing the THICC III, I noticed that while the Triple-Dissipation's power connectors were 8+6:
The THICC III's power connectors were the full 8+8:
The issue that persists is the need to use Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) before installing a new driver set. It's not a huge deal because I just have to disable my internet connection in device manager and either run DDU in safe mode or run it twice in normal mode. Then I re-enable by internet connection and install the new driver package normally. It's a hassle in the way that it shouldn't be necessary but it's a piece of cake to do. For people who aren't tech-savvy however, this would be an absolute nightmare.
I believe that this is what Sausagemeat may have been referring to.
Neatfeatguy
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Everyone has experiences on both side (Nvidia or AMD) with drivers. It's not just AMD that has issues.
Don't forget that there were a couple of Nvidia drivers that cooked the cards. I think there was at least 1 AMD driver that did the same....?
I've had a wide range of issues with Nvidia drivers over the years, across many types of cards and different system builds, such as:
* Black screens on desktop
* Black screens in games
* Improper/poor video play back streaming videos
* Improper/poor video playback in cut scenes in games
* Monitors not waking up from sleep and/or hibernation
* Graphical anomalies in games
* Problems using multi-monitor setups
* Drivers that caused random nvlddmkm crashes
* and I'm sure I'm missing some others
Issues happen. There will be no driver that functions 100% perfect on every single system build out there, there are too many different variables between all the builds out there to make sure issues never come up.
Could some of the issues be product related (poor designed/built GPUs)? - Absolutely. We hear stories, such as the 1080Ti (or was it the 2080Ti?) having bad VRAM on first batches and such things.
If you don't like AMD, don't use it. If you don't like Nvidia, don't use it. We've all had our issues on one side or the other or even both sides.
Sausagemeat
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Yeah nobody has ever claimed Nvidia cards dont get issues. But I live with people who are all using Nvidia cards and it’s my rig that is always the problem.
You are exactly right if you don’t like AMD or Nvidia don’t use them. I like the vast majority of people do not like Radeon and will no longer choose to use them any longer. Although I’d have no problem with Ryzen. Most people have had more issues on Radeon than GeForce which is why they have a tiny, shrinking market share. People do not trust it.
Im done with Radeon and I urge others not to buy it. I actually managed to recently persuade a friend of mine to avoid Radeon, who was about to buy a pre-built with a 6900XT, he’s got a system with a 3080ti in it now the lucky bastard lol. He will have a far better user experience now.
According to Steam survey data, most popular IGP solution is AMD Radeon based, not Intel like most would expect. That clearly tells people trust in Radeons... (Not that I really trust Steam survey data, but always nice to troll other way too...)
kenny loris
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Does this mean that Nvidia > Radeon?
