Sony and GeoHot settle over PS3 hacking lawsuit

By Emil · 28 replies
Apr 11, 2011
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  1. Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) and PlayStation 3 jailbreaker George Hotz, also known as GeoHot, have announced the settlement of the lawsuit filed by SCEA against Hotz in federal court in San Francisco, California. The parties reached an agreement in principle on March 31, 2011, and as part of the settlement, GeoHot consented to a permanent injunction. The terms of the settlement were not fully disclosed.

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  2. Lurker101

    Lurker101 TS Evangelist Posts: 820   +345

    GeoHot was quite happy to take peoples hard earned money to "fight" this court case, and has folded like an accordion. I know there's plenty of people on here who gave GeoHot their hard earned money to fight Sony. I want to know just how cheated and disgusted they feel now.
  3. I think if Sony had asked for the 1st born of everyone who had even heard of Geohot, the judge would've granted it them. To be fair, Geo didn't have much chance. Whether he was legally right or wrong, Sony has so much more money, power, influence, and time that he never really stood a chance. Sony could have carried this on for years. They may have known that they would've eventually lost. But they also know that if they can keep this going for long enough, Geo will have to give up. Such a shame that this sort of thing can happen. The law will always be in their favour. If you buy a PS3 and want to change something about it, then it should be perfectly legal to do so, as it's your property. If I want to knock down my house I can, if I want to set fire to my car and its safe to do so I can. If I want to run different software on my PS3 I can't. Insane.
  4. You think his lawyers were free even though he settled out of court? Get a life. Geohot went out of his way to help a community and they supported him. End of discussion.
  5. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Evangelist Posts: 714   +75

    lol to everyone who gave him money!
    "A federal judge allowed Sony to obtain the IP addresses of everyone who visited GeoHot's personal website for a period of 26 months (since January 2009) as well as the account names of anyone who has accessed a PS3 jailbreak video on the 21-year-old's YouTube account" like that would help it wouldn't be usable in court nor be enough for a warrant for anything. He probably folded because anonymous is getting readying to bring Sony down from the shadows.
  6. He tried his best. But his lawyers would've told him what he was up against and to just give it up before it bankrupts him, which it will, people wont donate their money forever. All Sony needed to do was flex their corporate muscles, which they did by getting the judge to order all that evidence. Then just sit it out until he cracks.
  7. Scshadow

    Scshadow TS Evangelist Posts: 511   +152

    I'd prefer to hold judgement until I know what these terms they agreed on are. But this looks like geohot folded under the pressure. Chances are, Sony didn't budge one bit and geohot got scared(granted I would be too). If so, I feel so disappointed in geohot. There was high hopes that this case would have many implications, mainly towards protecting the consumer.
  8. Lurker101

    Lurker101 TS Evangelist Posts: 820   +345

    Good luck with that. The terms of the settlement are "confidential" and "by contract", he is not allowed to tell anyone why he settled, what the settlement terms were or his feelings about the settlement. This has been said by Geohot himself on his own blog.
  9. Let me guess what the terms of the confidential settlement were. GeoHot avoids prison, and in return he turns over ALL information on the people who downloaded anything from him over to Sony so they can go after him.

    Hope this is a learning lesson for all those idealists who paid for his vacation to South America.

  10. mosu

    mosu TS Guru Posts: 474   +84

    I'll never buy Sony.Period
  11. GeoHot: «It'd be fun to be on the other side»

    Future Sony employee? :)
  12. Like Lurker said, Geohot folded like a cheap lawn chair. Sony wins.
  13. Cota

    Cota TS Enthusiast Posts: 513   +8

    Even tho Sony is a d***, they were doing the right thing on fighting to lock their console, not only to prevent piracy but to stop cheaters too, dont know why you guys keep standing at Geo's side, yeah he is fighting for "opening" more the PS3 since you actually own it, but when it comes to online gaming YOU ARE ACTUALLY A GUEST AND SHOULD FOLLOW THE RULES.

    For me this Sony/Geo crap has been nothing but a crossfire between piracy, users rights and the bunch who just follow a side, and just let me tell you this if you want a fully customizable gaming platform, make yourself one.
  14. zillion

    zillion TS Rookie Posts: 51

  15. Darkshadoe

    Darkshadoe TS Guru Posts: 571   +113

    I don't buy all this "Sony won and GeoHot had to settle" crap. Sony never had to settle. They could have said F U and kept this going due to their near limitless resources. Why would Sony spend millions of dollars not to take this to court?

    I would say each side could do considerable damage to the other and this was just the best way to settle it before it got out of hand and so everyone could save face.
  16. gwailo247

    gwailo247 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 2,010   +18

    Why would they want to sue someone who has no money or no assets? They got what they wanted, GeoHot to give them everything they wanted. Now they have a list of people who downloaded the key, or whatever, and they're going to use that information against people who try to use that information to circumvent the PS3/PSN EULA or otherwise do stuff they don't like.

    This was always about setting precedent. GeoHot was just a means to the end.
  17. NeoFryBoy

    NeoFryBoy TS Rookie Posts: 72

    Haha. Hotz was used and tossed to the side. So much for "putting up the good fight".
  18. He is a ***** for not posting anonymously. He wanted the spotlight and now he has it. Glory hounds shouldn't be bailed out by the community.
  19. venomblade

    venomblade TS Rookie Posts: 69

    so the tracking of peoples IPs by who visited the site isn't a breach in privacy?
  20. 1St ...! Out of court settlement is not the same as winning Emil..sorry :( I do hope the supporters of Geo are happy now, seeing how he went on vacation with their financial support, bank a few bucks, flashes some to his lawyers.... an @ the end made a undisclosed deal behind closed doors with SONY to save his own selfish thieving He played the very same pple that he supposedly fighting for. lol... ~ just imagine Geo... on the sands drinking jelly coconut and a few beach chicks giving him sun tan saying to himself ...~ "Man! I cannot believe these suckers really thinks I could beat SONY an send me all this $$$$ dough? Such losers...! Uhhm girls... you missed a spot.
  21. Lokalaskurar

    Lokalaskurar TS Enthusiast Posts: 544

    Nope. Just ask Google :)
  22. Relic

    Relic TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,379   +16

    Disappointed that this case didn't get to go through the courts, but it's understandable why it didn't. It appears both sides had just as much to lose if not more then win and leaving the situation at a status quo was much less riskier. While I agree that Sony comes out of this looking like the winner especially since they can continue to use their scare tactics, nothing has really changed imo.

    I'm sure you had all those loving consumers in mind when you tried to strip our rights away from us.

    This was a civil case, prison was never on the table.

    If someone violates the PS3s online services by either cheating or using pirated games they can already be banned and this was not the main issue. Sony disagrees with consumers position that we may alter our legally purchased products as we see fit. Why people are against their own rights is beyond me. It doesn't really matter if you like or dislike GeoHot personally, his position was still overall in our favor.
  23. Omnislip

    Omnislip TS Rookie Posts: 91

    I don't think you quite understand. Sony reckon that you should honor the contract you entered into when buying the product. Didn't you read that? What a shame. You have to right to complain at this, since everyone, including Geohotz, agreed NOT to tamper with their system. Then they did. And somehow you think they are in the right? I think not.
  24. Relic

    Relic TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 1,379   +16

    Sony argued that the PSN User Agreement which is online only if I'm not mistaken constitutes a breach of contract in this case and as such we consumers do not have the right to modify legally purchased products. I disagree with this notion, while I accept they can remove violators from said services (e.g ban), I don't believe they have the right to dictate what we can and cannot modify for personal use. And since this issue was settled we still in my view do not have a definite answer on who is right.
  25. Cota

    Cota TS Enthusiast Posts: 513   +8

    Exactly, like i said this is a crossfire, no side puts the real cards on the table "modify for personal use" its getting generalized, because one thing is to "mod it" and another one is to exploit certain features of the device (obviously is piracy), but it seems that people cant understand those two totally different parts because even if Geo released his code to mod the PS3 there will always be people who will use it to pirate games (and by the way im a PC gamer so no worries if your console gets owned) and by the power of the blah blah blah... we all know what happens when a game gets heavily pirated, or you hadnt noticed those 60 dlls your game costs?

    Either way dont mix the cards and learn why we cant (and shouldn't) get complete access to all our device features, just because you totally own a car it doesnt means you can drive over people.

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