Stormfront becomes the latest neo-Nazi site to be shut down by its hosting company

[davislane1]

As I see it, we are on the same page.

However, if you have a site where BLM are advocating for the death of any or all non-blacks, I would be interested in seeing it. The BLM movement using the fist that the black panthers used, IMO, does not necessarily equate them and their policies with the militant activities of the black panthers. I am sure that there are people out there that do see it that way.

Maybe you can find examples of hate speech or outright advocacy of death to all non-blacks on this site - http://www.blacklivesmatterchicago.com/home.html Personally, I don't see anything at all like that.

This is another instructive moment in the political debate.

People often wonder how Hitler managed to acquire Jewish support prior to the Holocaust. How did they not see the signs?

I said several weeks ago that the alt-left are actual Nazis. Bonafide ideological supremacists who believe anyone not of their ilk is sub-human and deserving of immense suffering for the crime of being inferior ("regressives"). The simple way to detect this, I said, was to simply replace their pejorative of choice in any statement with the word "Jew" and the substance would mirror that of Hitler and Nazi-era social thought.

Well, like the Nazis of old, the Nazis from the alt-left are very good at propaganda. You can identify the targets of that propaganda using the same method.

Observe what can only be described as magic. Edits in bold:

As I see it, we are on the same page.

However, if you have a publication where Hitler is advocating for the death of any or all non-Aryans, I would be interested in seeing it. The National Socialist movement using the Swastika that the Slavs used, IMO, does not necessarily equate them and their policies with the militant activities of the Slavic nations. I am sure that there are people out there that do see it that way.

Maybe you can find examples of hate speech or outright advocacy of death to all non-Aryans in this book - Mein Kamph. Personally, I don't see anything at all like that.

This is why the no-platforming of alternative and even repugnant views is significant. Socialists start with easy targets (nobody likes white supremacists). Then they graduate to more difficult targets by labeling them as sympathizers (everyone in this thread who doesn't agree with the policy). Then, eventually, they start rounding people up to purge the cancer (you).

Those historical photos you saw as a kid of ordinary people being lined up an executed for failing to price apples correctly?

You're seeing the psychology of the bystanders in real-time.

And tomorrow, when the guns come out and there is blood in the streets, they will tell you what the old socialists tell everyone today: This isn't really socialism.

What a time to be alive.

 

[penn919]

This is another instructive moment in the political debate.

People often wonder how Hitler managed to acquire Jewish support prior to the Holocaust. How did they not see the signs?

I said several weeks ago that the alt-left are actual Nazis. Bonafide ideological supremacists who believe anyone not of their ilk is sub-human and deserving of immense suffering for the crime of being inferior ("regressives"). The simple way to detect this, I said, was to simply replace their pejorative of choice in any statement with the word "Jew" and the substance would mirror that of Hitler and Nazi-era social thought.

Well, like the Nazis of old, the Nazis from the alt-left are very good at propaganda. You can identify the targets of that propaganda using the same method.

Observe what can only be described as magic. Edits in bold:

Davis, your post is hysterical. Try turning off Fox for a few days and go outside. Seriously, it will help.

 

[centrino207]

This is another instructive moment in the political debate.

People often wonder how Hitler managed to acquire Jewish support prior to the Holocaust. How did they not see the signs?

I said several weeks ago that the alt-left are actual Nazis. Bonafide ideological supremacists who believe anyone not of their ilk is sub-human and deserving of immense suffering for the crime of being inferior ("regressives"). The simple way to detect this, I said, was to simply replace their pejorative of choice in any statement with the word "Jew" and the substance would mirror that of Hitler and Nazi-era social thought.

Well, like the Nazis of old, the Nazis from the alt-left are very good at propaganda. You can identify the targets of that propaganda using the same method.

Observe what can only be described as magic. Edits in bold:



This is why the no-platforming of alternative and even repugnant views is significant. Socialists start with easy targets (nobody likes white supremacists). Then they graduate to more difficult targets by labeling them as sympathizers (everyone in this thread who doesn't agree with the policy). Then, eventually, they start rounding people up to purge the cancer (you).

Those historical photos you saw as a kid of ordinary people being lined up an executed for failing to price apples correctly?

You're seeing the psychology of the bystanders in real-time.

And tomorrow, when the guns come out and there is blood in the streets, they will tell you what the old socialists tell everyone today: This isn't really socialism.

What a time to be alive.

You not getting it. It has nothing to do with free speech.

Many people think we have net neutrality and we don't have it. Never had!!!

Any person can set up web site or message board and it is up to you to make sure when shopping for the hosting company to host your web site or message board you don't break the TOS.

And good luck getting any US hosting company host free movies or free music.

There many hosting companies in Russia that host all kinds stuff even illegal stuff. It up to storefront to find other host.

 

[Bubbajim]

Another thread on removing shitty content, another load of misplaced uses of the First Amendment. C'mon folks, it's said in every one of these threads - the first amendment is about government interference with speech, not private entities.

This is a publicity issue for the companies involved. They want their images to be squeaky clean by nuking the target of the month, in part to keep other clients/customers happy, but also as an exercise in virtue signalling. "We're the good guys! Honest!"

The wider, social point about freedom of conscience is definitely a debate that needs having, but companies saying "we don't want to host your content" is not about freedom of speech. If you walk into McDonalds and start insulting their checkout staff, it's not infringing your freedom of speech when they eject you. If you then peaceably protested on the street and the government/police moved you on, *then* you have a freedom of speech issue.

The corollary issue of snowflakes who can't hear an opposing view to their own is a social problem, not a legal one. People need to grow up and accept that their personal bubbles will get popped from time to time.

 

[davislane1]

Davis, your post is hysterical. Try turning off Fox for a few days and go outside. Seriously, it will help.

I don't watch television. I do make reliable social and political predictions, however.

You not getting it. It has nothing to do with free speech.

Many people think we have net neutrality and we don't have it. Never had!!!

You aren't getting it. They not only ceased service, they seized the domain and are preventing them from transferring it. Even GoDaddy didn't go that far.

This is how fascism works. You can say or believe whatever you want, but if you say or believe something wrong, you will be prevented from doing business, barred from employment, and socially ostracized. Not for crime, not for violating rights, but for thinking wrong thoughts.

Like I said, this starts with easy targets. It then graduates to broader dissent.

 

[EClyde]

Society decides and in their case it was decided and re-decided over and over again. (No, it wasn't George W even if he did claim to be "the decider")

You could have lived in Salem. Or been on the bench at the Inquisitions. Society Decides, eh?

 

[wiyosaya]

I don't watch television. I do make reliable social and political predictions, however.

It seems more like expert at crying wolf to me (I won't remind you of what you said about various other topics that support profiling in various ways and how the lack of that profiling would lead to certain doom). People, you included, cannot just go out and do anything they damn well please. Or are you saying that you support Anarchy? Better yet, where are your opinions coming from? When you were young, did someone drill into you that everyone who does not look like you, or practice the same religion as you is inherently evil?

The US was founded based in part on religious freedom. The definition of religious freedom does not include "you are free to practice any religion that you want as long as it is the same religion that I practice."

You aren't getting it. They not only ceased service, they seized the domain and are preventing them from transferring it. Even GoDaddy didn't go that far.

This is how fascism works. You can say or believe whatever you want, but if you say or believe something wrong, you will be prevented from doing business, barred from employment, and socially ostracized. Not for crime, not for violating rights, but for thinking wrong thoughts.

Like I said, this starts with easy targets. It then graduates to broader dissent.

So? No really, so?

Are those who are responsible for putting up the site's content not US Citizens? Assuming they are US Citizens, they have the right to take this to court. It seems reasonable to assume that a site with some 300k viewers would have some money in their coffers and could at least make an effort to exercise their rights and take their case to court.

More so, are you familiar with the content of the site? If not, what makes you so sure that the content is not something that falls under the definition of terrorism, incitement to violence or other similarly egregious content that has been deemed, not by fascists but by the courts, as speech that does not fall under the veil of the First Amendment?

And yes, all primate societies will rebel against bullies who, while waving the flag of freedom of whatever, enforce their flavor of freedom of whatever such that those who tolerate them are subjugated to their practice only the flavor of freedom of whatever enforced by the bullies.

It appears to me that the world has learned a valuable lesson from WWII in that tolerating abhorrent behavior will lead to subjugation by vile elements, and, as such, will no longer tolerate it.

If you even bothered to look at the particular BLM page that I referred to, you will find that they support the rights of others, provide financial support for the families of people who have been terminated by police, support your right to practice the religion that you want, etc. Maybe that is only this particular site, IDK, but show me a BLM site that espouses violence, and I, personally, will report them to their ISP for violation of the ISPs terms of service - it is not that hard to make such a report.

Without regard to the racial profiles of those involved, it seems to me that instances of police shootings such as the meditation teacher who was killed by police earlier this year indicate that there is something amiss with policing these days. As I understand it, all a police officer has to do is say "I was afraid for my life" and any, literally any, shooting is justified. How do you justify that? Suppose a police officer stops you for some reason, is, for some reason afraid, and you reach for your wallet since it contains your identification and the officer, mistakenly thinks you are reaching for a weapon and shoots and kills you. Or, maybe better yet, the officer does not kill you but wounds you in such a fashion where you lose the ability to use a limb, or eye, or something other equally important. You might want to blow this off as implausible, but the simple truth of the matter is that it is well within the realm of possibility given current conditions. At that point, you might think differently about this.

When you post a link to an extremist site that you are so vehemently defending and it espouses altruistic values instead of the elimination of the "impure", I will be happy to jump on your bandwagon and agree that yes, it was ill-advised for their ISP to dump their site in the trash can.

 

[wiyosaya]

You could have lived in Salem. Or been on the bench at the Inquisitions. Society Decides, eh?

Yes, it does, like it or not. One other thing that society does is progress. And allegory to times of ignorance wears a bit thin these days since society has progressed in many ways even though you may not be happy with that progression.

Like I said, find me a site that espouses altruistic values and was taken down by their ISP, and I will be happy to jump on the bandwagon that their FOS rights were violated.

 

[wiyosaya]

Religious freedom will be soon too. Forced One world religion is one the way. These are sad times we live in, in many respects.

Actually, it is already happening, but not in the way you might think when business owners can deny service to those who do not practice the religious tenants of the business owners.

 

[wiyosaya]

Another thread on removing shitty content, another load of misplaced uses of the First Amendment. C'mon folks, it's said in every one of these threads - the first amendment is about government interference with speech, not private entities.

This is a publicity issue for the companies involved. They want their images to be squeaky clean by nuking the target of the month, in part to keep other clients/customers happy, but also as an exercise in virtue signalling. "We're the good guys! Honest!"

Sagacious, very sagacious! /sarcasm Ever heard of the legal concept of complicity?

 

[penn919]

You could have lived in Salem. Or been on the bench at the Inquisitions. Society Decides, eh?

Aside from the points wiyosaya made, I feel I should point out that the salem witch trials were hardly decided by "society". They were carried out by a small isolated community of puritans. Secondly, the Inquisition wasn't decided by society either. It was decided by the Catholic Church.

 

[Bubbajim]

Sagacious, very sagacious! /sarcasm Ever heard of the legal concept of complicity?

Yes. But could you be less vague please? I'm not sure I catch your intent.

 

[mbrowne5061]

So when said group contacts one of the major providers and do what you say, then get shut off because someone lobbied said provider, that is OK? Please allow me to paint you a picture.

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ISPs are not backbone providers. ISPs lease their bandwidth from the Backbones, and the Backbone providers are regulated to be information agnostic by the govt., since they took the govt. money when they built out their infrastructure. Anyone can lease bandwidth from them, if you able to lease enough of it. The kind of contract you sign with a backbone is pretty straightforward. They usually amount to 'minimum X-bandwidth/mo, at $/x. No network usage deliberately designed to harm our network', and that is about it. This is how some municipalities are able to form their own public ISPs for their residents. No organization could really stop someone from making a "Nazi ISP", in the literal sense, for the purpose of providing service to people who want to run Nazi websites. But as long as private businesses are just that, who they serve is up to them for the most part.

If you're going to play out an extreme, tangential hypothetical, at least make sure you understand the fundamental workings of what you are arguing about. You just look foolish otherwise. I honestly stopped reading as soon as you started comparing refusing to do business with Nazis - because said business would violate the TOS, EULA, and any other existing agreement that would be or is in place - to things DMCA and TOS takedowns on YouTube.

 

[centrino207]

You aren't getting it. They not only ceased service, they seized the domain and are preventing them from transferring it. Even GoDaddy didn't go that far.

This is how fascism works. You can say or believe whatever you want, but if you say or believe something wrong, you will be prevented from doing business, barred from employment, and socially ostracized. Not for crime, not for violating rights, but for thinking wrong thoughts.

Like I said, this starts with easy targets. It then graduates to broader dissent.

That they probably would get into legal trouble for that, if that is the case when it goes to court.

If the hosting company said I don't want to host your message board any more!!! So go and find other hosting company than so be it.

But if they will not allow the owner to delete it or move it to other hosting company that is other thing.

 

[davislane1]

That they probably would get into legal trouble for that, if that is the case when it goes to court.

If the hosting company said I don't want to host your message board any more!!! So go and find other hosting company than so be it.

But if they will not allow the owner to delete it or move it to other hosting company that is other thing.

And then any law firm that defends Stormfront gets labeled by the media and its followers as Nazi sympathizers.

This is the game they play.

 

[mbrowne5061]

That they probably would get into legal trouble for that, if that is the case when it goes to court.

If the hosting company said I don't want to host your message board any more!!! So go and find other hosting company than so be it.

But if they will not allow the owner to delete it or move it to other hosting company that is other thing.

Depends how they bought their domain name. If you buy your domain name as part of a package with your hosting, your hosting company will often keep the domain name if you ever switch providers or cease hosting with them for any reason. This is pretty standard for GoDaddy, so I'll bet Network Solutions/web.com do the same thing.

tl;dr - always buy your domain name separately from your hosting.