Teenager who died of cancer has her wish to be cryogenically frozen granted by court

By midian182 ยท 39 replies
Nov 18, 2016
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  1. A terminally-ill 14-year girl from the UK won a landmark legal case shortly before her death to be cryogenically preserved in the hope that she may be brought back to life at some point in the future. The teenager’s estranged father had originally opposed the idea, but a court ruled that her mother should be the only one to make decisions about the disposal of her daughter’s body.

    The teenager, known as JS, died from a rare form of cancer in October but details of her case have only now been released. During the last months of her life, she used the internet to research cryonics, the practice of preserving a body - usually at around -320.8 Fahrenheit - so that the person can be resuscitated and restored to full health at a point in the future when technology is sufficiently advanced.

    The girl’s parents are divorced. She hadn’t seen her father since 2008 and resisted his attempts to get back in touch after he learned of her illness in 2015. While her mother supported her daughter’s wishes, the girl’s father opposed them at first.

    "Even if the treatment is successful and she is brought back to life in let's say 200 years, she may not find any relative and she might not remember things and she may be left in a desperate situation given that she is only 14 years old and will be in the United States of America," he said.

    As a child cannot make a will, it was her father’s objections that lead to the court case. Although he eventually changed his mind, saying he respected his daughter’s decision, she would not agree to his wish that he be allowed to see her body after death.

    During the case, the girl wrote to the judge, Peter Jackson, stating: “I have been asked to explain why I want this unusual thing done. I’m only 14 years old and I don’t want to die, but I know I am going to. I think being cryo‐preserved gives me a chance to be cured and woken up, even in hundreds of years’ time.”

    “I don’t want to be buried underground. I want to live and live longer and I think that in the future they might find a cure for my cancer and wake me up. I want to have this chance. This is my wish.”

    After visiting her in hospital, Jackson said he was touched by "the valiant way in which she was facing her predicament." He said the ruling wasn’t about the rights or wrongs of cryonics, which is still regarded with skepticism by the scientific community, but about a dispute between parents over the disposal of their daughter's body.

    As there are no cryonic facilities in the UK, the girl’s body was transported to the US where a commercial company has frozen it “in perpetuity” for a cost of almost $46,000. The judge noted that the girl's family is not well off, but her mother’s parents had raised the money.

    As of 2014, about 250 bodies were cryopreserved in the United States, and 1500 people had made arrangements for cryopreservation after their legal death.

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  2. stewi0001

    stewi0001 TS Evangelist Posts: 1,685   +1,083

    Welcome to Vault 111!
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  3. cartera

    cartera TS Evangelist Posts: 365   +113

    $50k!!! - I hope that comes with a guarantee that they will wake you up if and when technology reaches the stage where the can defrost and revive you.
  4. stewi0001

    stewi0001 TS Evangelist Posts: 1,685   +1,083

    pfff, you should see how much some people pay for wedding dresses. But $50K is a lot more than just being buried in a cemetery.

    Personally, I accept death as a part of life. We don't cease to exist after death. I think a lot of it has to do with that fear of the unknown factor.
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  5. Uncle Al

    Uncle Al TS Evangelist Posts: 3,355   +2,002

    There is still a great deal of discussion about the value of the cryogenic process. Deep freezing cells tends to corrupt them, bursts many and retards proper growth in others. It does work on some species like most fish, but is yet unproven in mammals of any kind. At least they are doing her entire body, unlike Ted Williams that only had his head frozen ... presumably in hopes of coming back as 2nd base .....
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  6. Trillionsin

    Trillionsin TS Evangelist Posts: 1,596   +257

    Yea, OKAY, Faye Valentine... have fun with that debt when (IF) they wake you up and cure you.

    (Joking aside, I think it's pretty cool.)
  7. Trillionsin

    Trillionsin TS Evangelist Posts: 1,596   +257

    Do you remember what it was like before when you were born? No? Well, that's just what it's going to be like when you die. Scary? Maybe for some.
  8. stewi0001

    stewi0001 TS Evangelist Posts: 1,685   +1,083

    No, I don't remember what it was like before I was born. However I did learn about it and what happens afterwards. Yes, I'm religious. If you're not, that's fine.
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  9. Trillionsin

    Trillionsin TS Evangelist Posts: 1,596   +257

    I respect a person that is good for whatever reason they believe in. I may not believe in that, but I still do my best to treat others with respect, respectively. I originally made a reply that I decided to delete after re-reading it, because of the way it came off as ignorant and disrespectful. You know what, it doesn't matter, if we can agree on treating others with respect and overall trying to be a decent human being, then believe in whatever you want!
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  10. Rippleman

    Rippleman TS Evangelist Posts: 816   +371

    when you blow out a candle, where does the flame go?
  11. petert

    petert TS Addict Posts: 220   +64

    It doesn't, as far as I remember, freezing an organism kills it at a cellular level too (due to small ice needles penetrating the cells). But I might be wrong.
  12. mcborge

    mcborge TS Guru Posts: 426   +278

    Cryonically frozen not cryogenically frozen. cryogenics is a branch of physics dealing with the production & effects of very low temperatures. Cryonics is freezing bodies.
  13. Trillionsin

    Trillionsin TS Evangelist Posts: 1,596   +257

    Typically, when water freezes it crystallizes. So you are right. I dont know where we are at currently when cryo technology, but I dont think we've gotten past that issue. I may be wrong as well, but I do believe they have done lots of experiments on getting around this issue. I think even if they were properly frozen, they would have to then be properly dethawed and somehow be brought back to life.

    I'm not sure if it actually says he was frozen before she died or not, because if she died and then they froze her, I'd lol.
  14. Igrecman

    Igrecman TS Maniac Posts: 212   +123

    Nobody as far as I know has ever been revived after being cryogenically frozen. They should prove that it can be done before they could be allowed to accept money from desperate people who want to believe in fairy tales.
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  15. Rippleman

    Rippleman TS Evangelist Posts: 816   +371

    all medical advancements since the dawn of man have been called "fairy tales".
  16. Igrecman

    Igrecman TS Maniac Posts: 212   +123

    If this is done more and more in the near future, there would be hundreds or thousands of cryogenically frozen bodies all over the world, and the cost of reviving one person (if it ever works) and repairing the damages made by the disease would be prohibitive. Only the very rich will be able to afford it, and probably the most important cryogenically frozen people would be worth the trouble.
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  17. Bigtruckseries

    Bigtruckseries TS Evangelist Posts: 583   +318

    An amazing waste of money.

    Imagine you come out of the freezer and they did figure out a way to bring you back to life - only now:

    everything you knew is changed, everyone you loved is dead and soon you'll get sick from viruses and bacteria your body wasn't adjusted to....

    Have we learned nothing from The Demolition Man?
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  18. Joe Blow

    Joe Blow TS Booster Posts: 143   +49

    She'll wake up in the world of Idiocracy.
  19. Igrecman

    Igrecman TS Maniac Posts: 212   +123

    The only think good about this story, is that it allowed her to die in peace.
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  20. Thorney

    Thorney TS Enthusiast Posts: 35   +10

    I always think about that theory but I believe the afterlife is a brain dream created in the last nano second of life, in dreams there is no time so technically if you never wake up your last dream will last forever
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  21. Igrecman

    Igrecman TS Maniac Posts: 212   +123

    The DNA of the apes is close to 99% human. So I guess they deserve after life too, and bad apes should go to apes hell. Too bad they can't pay to be cryogenically frozen.
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2016
  22. lipe123

    lipe123 TS Evangelist Posts: 719   +236

    How can you still be dreaming once all the cells died? If it is a dream then I guess it would be a "nice way to go" but it certainly wont be forever.
    Talk to people that were resuscitated from drowning or anything like that where they were dead for a minute or so and you'll hear a pretty common theme of them being there the whole time seeing the paramedics work on their body. People can knock religion and all that jazz all they want but there is plenty of evidence already that a person isn't just a bag of cells, there is something more besides that.

    Back to this story, I feel like once this girl's body does die and she finds herself still there watching them freeze it she might soon come to hope that they never revive it!
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  23. stewi0001

    stewi0001 TS Evangelist Posts: 1,685   +1,083

    It depends on how fast the freezing is. Basically, when you freeze something slowly this allows the spikes to form on the crystals. So if you could flash freeze food in a freezer, you could take it out and refreeze it and so forth and it should still be good and not get freezer burn.

    Also, the North American Wood Frog becomes a frogcycle every winter and comes back to life in the spring.
  24. ManuelV

    ManuelV TS Booster Posts: 101   +42

    ""Even if the treatment is successful and she is brought back to life in let's say 200 years, she may not find any relative and she might not remember things and she may be left in a desperate situation given that she is only 14 years old and will be in the United States of America," he said."

    Okey, now I know why he didn't saw his child in 7 years, he has low IQ.
  25. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,730   +3,703

    Why not, she fell asleep in one.
    cartera likes this.

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