The Best 4K Gaming Monitors: OLED Wins

[Lew Zealand]

Those numbers are not even great. Once again, link me proof that JUST A SINGLE PRO GAMER uses a VA panel.

Who cares about what a "pro" gamer buys? Pro gamers game and don't review products, which is that matters to me. You made a general claim that VAs are not fast enough I showed you proof from a review on this site that they can.

And then you followed up with your MO:

Deflect to something else.

 

[Disiw]

Who cares about what a "pro" gamer buys? Pro gamers game and don't review products, which is that matters to me. You made a general claim that VAs are not fast enough I showed you proof from a review on this site that they can.

And then you followed up with your MO:

Deflect to something else.

Because pro and serious gamers like myself knows how games are supposed to run; Without smearing and with good motion clarity. VA don't have that.

VA is TN like in terms of price for a reason.

Any person who plays fast paced games should stay away from VA, this is nothing new. Black crush is a huge flaw with VA as well. Details are lost in dark scenes.

Also overshoot is highly present on many VA because speed is mediocre and needs it.

Again, why did you link the 165 Hz screenshot when its a 240 Hz monitor and 200 Hz and 240 Hz numbers are WORSE?

VA = Casual gaming. No matter how high refresh rate VA has, it will always feel kinda slow and the local dimming feature on G7 is terrible, which RTINGS states too in their review.

High speed TN and IPS but especially OLED beats VA with absolute ease in terms of motion clarity, hence why no serious gamers use VA. Also 800-1000R is crap, especially for 16:9. No-one asked for a curve on a 16:9 and Samsung mostly does this to keep people right in the middle of the screen so they don't see the VA issues; gamma shift and terrible viewing angles + corner glow (just like ips)

 

[Lew Zealand]

Because pro and serious gamers like myself knows how games are supposed to run; Without smearing and with good motion clarity. VA don't have that.

VA is TN like in terms of price for a reason.

Any person who plays fast paced games should stay away from VA, this is nothing new. Black crush is a huge flaw with VA as well. Details are lost in dark scenes.

Also overshoot is highly present on many VA because speed is mediocre and needs it.

Yet in this review Tim doesn't see that. This is the point you're missing. You made a blanket statement about VA which is true for most of them but not all of them. Tim's review is very clear that you can make a great VA panel that exceeds IPS panels in most respects, especially the key ones of native Contrast and Black levels.

Again, why did you link the 165 Hz screenshot when its a 240 Hz monitor and 200 Hz and 240 Hz numbers are WORSE?

They are worse for overshoot, NOT for dark smearing which is what you're complaining about. The overall error is still low and if you read the review, Tim mentioned that the overshoot wasn't visible thanks to the high framerate. Still a big win at 240 Hz and other refresh rates too.

VA = Casual gaming. No matter how high refresh rate VA has, it will always feel kinda slow and the local dimming feature on G7 is terrible, which RTINGS states too in their review.

High speed TN and IPS but especially OLED beats VA with absolute ease in terms of motion clarity, hence why no serious gamers use VA. Also 800-1000R is crap, especially for 16:9. No-one asked for a curve on a 16:9 and Samsung mostly does this to keep people right in the middle of the screen so they don't see the VA issues; gamma shift and terrible viewing angles + corner glow (just like ips)

I'm not saying the monitor itself is good, I'd never buy it as curved is useless to me. My monitors do work first and then gaming. I'm saying that years ago Samsung fixed the main problem inherent to VA, dark level smearing. All while maintaining it's advantages over IPS: higher contrast and lower black levels, so no IPS glow. And at fast refresh rates so it's still speed competitive with IPS.

OLED beats them all until you want to read text. Or work in a bright room. Or avoid burn-in.

 

[Disiw]

Yet in this review Tim doesn't see that. This is the point you're missing. You made a blanket statement about VA which is true for most of them but not all of them. Tim's review is very clear that you can make a great VA panel that exceeds IPS panels in most respects, especially the key ones of native Contrast and Black levels.



They are worse for overshoot, NOT for dark smearing which is what you're complaining about. The overall error is still low and if you read the review, Tim mentioned that the overshoot wasn't visible thanks to the high framerate. Still a big win at 240 Hz and other refresh rates too.



I'm not saying the monitor itself is good, I'd never buy it as curved is useless to me. My monitors do work first and then gaming. I'm saying that years ago Samsung fixed the main problem inherent to VA, dark level smearing. All while maintaining it's advantages over IPS: higher contrast and lower black levels, so no IPS glow. And at fast refresh rates so it's still speed competitive with IPS.

OLED beats them all until you want to read text. Or work in a bright room. Or avoid burn-in.

I am talking about serious gaming here. Being actually competitive in fast paced multiplayer titles. Not ONE good streamer, pro or just serious gamer uses VA for this, because its simply too slow. This is just fact and I have tried all panels numerous times including G7 and many VA monitors, they are ALL kinda slow. Samsung might have a few that look good on paper and in terms of response times but the fundamental flaws about VA is still present and its not like those numbers are GREAT to begin with. Acceptable for some (mostly casual gamers) does not mean great.