US to demand five years of social media history from foreign travelers under new proposal

[GodisanAtheist]

Eh whatever.

Other countries should do the same thing and ban pro-trump people and then everyone gets what they want.

I'm more curious what happens to a guy like me. No Meta/Facebook, twitter, blue sky, insta, tik.tok accounts etc. (I'm a US citizen so in theory this shouldn't apply to me).

Do I get extra scrutiny because "I am refusing to hand over my accounts" even though I don't have them? I did have a deactivated FC account that I haven't posted to in 20+ years. If they find that was I lying to them?

 

[Neatfeatguy]

Eh whatever.

Other countries should do the same thing and ban pro-trump people and then everyone gets what they want.

I'm more curious what happens to a guy like me. No Meta/Facebook, twitter, blue sky, insta, tik.tok accounts etc. (I'm a US citizen so in theory this shouldn't apply to me).

Do I get extra scrutiny because "I am refusing to hand over my accounts" even though I don't have them? I did have a deactivated FC account that I haven't posted to in 20+ years. If they find that was I lying to them?

I have no social media. Closest thing was a Linked In account (which was required at a job I worked over a decade ago) that I deactivated about 5 years ago now and before that I hadn't been on the account for over 5 years. I don't know if linked in qualifies as social media, outside of that I have zero social media presence in this world.

 

[Melkor Unlimited]

The US makes up the majority of NATO funding.

Not exactly.
Its budget US pays for US forces, US defense industry and US defense infrastructure.
Some of that US may or may not use for NATO activities.

Do not forget US is in SEATO, ANZUS and some more.
They all share that above mentioned budget.

 

[techstrike]

-please fill here your active Social media accounts... of the last five years.
-sure sir, one moment:
...s#ckm9D1k_49, k1$$m9pretty_@zz_52, FKur$3lf_69...
-thank you for your service sir.

 

[ScottSoapbox]

Cry all you want, the US debt has been growing for decades. The easiest way to fix it would be to stop funding NATO and world police obligations and take that trillion $$$ back, but then people start throwing temper tantrums.

The debt has been growing for decades BUT it significantly accelerated during covid under Trump then did not slow down under Biden or Trump 2nd term. Military spending is a big line item but everything has been getting more of those Fed created dollars.

 

[ScottSoapbox]

I have no social media. Closest thing was a Linked In account (which was required at a job I worked over a decade ago) that I deactivated about 5 years ago now and before that I hadn't been on the account for over 5 years. I don't know if linked in qualifies as social media, outside of that I have zero social media presence in this world.

Subject claims to not have social media. Obviously hiding social media from us because they have something to hide.

 

[urielejh]

Only losers and sheeps like americans/usa would agree to such pathetic "arrangements"... Lol

 

[scavengerspc]

Only losers and sheeps like americans/usa would agree to such pathetic "arrangements"... Lol

Well, we do got a lot of those.
They are called MAGA.
Everyone else is still trying to figure out how they stand with all the jelly in their spine.

 

[havok585]

BRUTAL but EFFICIENT!

Good tactic to keep haters out.

 

[dirtyferret]

Eh whatever.

Other countries should do the same thing and ban pro-trump people and then everyone gets what they want.

What are you talking about, that means we are stuck with those losers! We need other countries to open their arms and welcome these gullible cultists. I hear siberia is very nice this time of year and putin will welcome all of the orange clown followers. They can even bring their AR-15s with them in one hand and their unread bibles in the other.

 

[LooseBowels]

So, when arriving at the airport if a agent find you "suspect", they cannot demand access to online accounts, like they do in the US?

Just to be clear, it is not a condition of entry for all travellers - be they citizens or foreign nationals - to hand over personal information like social media, email, access to phones, etc. to Australian Border Force (Customs) and/or the Australian Federal Police (FBI).

However, ABF can ask for access to electronic devices in specific situations, for example: suspicion of child exploitation material, suspicion the traveller intends to breach their Visa conditions (e.g. working on a tourist Visa), drug importation, money laundering, extremist/violent content, intelligence flags (e.g. AFP or a security agency alerting ABF to a person/s), and so on. TBF the bar is low, can be abused and has been abused, notably on journalists.

It's important to note that the ABF can only ask. Travellers have the right to refuse and request a supervisor. ABF cannot search you for non-border (I.e. personal) reasons; they must link searches to border control matters like customs, biosecurity, national security, and so on. However, and obviously, what happens next if an individual refuses differs on whether they are a returning citizen or a foreign national. Refusal more likely results in refusal of entry and Visa cancellation for foreigners on the grounds of being uncooperative. But there needs to be a good reason why ABF would place suspicion on an individual. It can't be random.

The AFP, meanwhile, operate with higher legal thresholds requiring court-issued warrants and special assistance notices (I.e. where ABF's jurisdiction ends and AFP's begins) before they can access your information.

This is by no means a complete and exhaustive explanation, but it's the basics. There's more if you look for it.

 

[p51d007]

No, NATO needs the U.S. Just like the U.N. needs the U.S.
FINALLY NATO is finally kicking in more money. Something they SHOULD have done all along since
wars traditionally break out in Europe.

US needs NATO

 

[Athlonite69]

Don't know where you're getting that information from about Australia.

Currently there is no requirement for foreign tourists or visitors just arriving in the country to hand over their email accounts, social media accounts/passwords, names of relatives, etc.

For Australian visa applications foreign citizens will typically need to provide an email address so the system can send their visa decision and confirmations, which is normal for online visa processing.

Yes pretty much the same thing here in New Zealand too infact the only time you'll get asked for such things are when you are being questioned by border security on why are you here if they believe you're not here for just a holiday but think you might be planning to work on a tourist visa

 

[umeng2002]

Stuff like this only catches the dumb criminals.

 

[Norsiiii]

Don't know where you're getting that information from about Australia.

Currently there is no requirement for foreign tourists or visitors just arriving in the country to hand over their email accounts, social media accounts/passwords, names of relatives, etc.

For Australian visa applications foreign citizens will typically need to provide an email address so the system can send their visa decision and confirmations, which is normal for online visa processing.

Australian Border Force will take your phone and demand that you unlock it and give access to your emails, messages and socials if they suspect that you are planning to enter on the wrong visa, eg working illegally on a tourist visa, etc. They pull aside hundreds of people every single day for exactly this purpose, especially people arriving from certain countries and with suspicious/no itineraries and bookings, etc. That's no different to the stated purpose of this measure

 

[Rapob]

Do not forget US is in SEATO, ANZUS and some more.
They all share that above mentioned budget.

True.

US is in NATO, SEATO, ANZUS yet some people in this thread, thinks US could fend off any enemy, with no help. Laughable really.

US is not even 350 million people. With like 1 million active in the military (most being 9-5 soldiers, not willing to actually fight if needed)

US never went to war alone vs anyone.

NATO helped US when they pushed the article 5 button back in 2001. The only time ever article 5 has been used. However, US don't need help from others right? Haha. We are 8+ billion people on this planet. US is like 4% of the population on earth. Good luck with no help, if needed.

And this is why they are part of NATO, SEATO, ANZUS and won't leave.

 

[LooseBowels]

That's no different to the stated purpose of this measure

No, it's very different.

From the article:

CBP plans to require applicants to provide a list of personal data, including social media, email addresses from the last ten years, and the names, birth dates, places of residence, and birthplaces of parents, spouses, siblings and children.

And:

The agency would make this search "mandatory" for those visiting the US.

This is a (proposed) condition of entry into the US. There is currently no such requirement for entry into Australia; it's only when ABF is suspicious of an individual they can ask to examine the person's phone. You said it yourself!

It's totally different to the CBP's proposal, which I say, again, is a requirement of entry.

 

[netman]

"The CBP said it would accept 60 days of public comments on the proposal."

my comment to cbp... Screw You...!