Watch: Tesla Model S caught on video going up in flames "out of the blue"

[Badvok]

Brace yourself for the Musk and Tesla hate.

Yes it is interesting how any article relating to an Elon Musk business will bring out a number of posters with a totally irrational personal hatred of the man, if you actually challenge them on the basis of their hate you'll not get a sensible answer, just some vague dissembling about things they think he has done wrong in general but not to them personally.
As for Tesla however, every petrolhead should come forth and celebrate the destruction of yet another EV.

 

[captaincranky]

Yes it is interesting how any article relating to an Elon Musk business will bring out a number of posters with a totally irrational personal hatred of the man, if you actually challenge them on the basis of their hate you'll not get a sensible answer, just some vague dissembling about things they think he has done wrong in general but not to them personally.
As for Tesla however, every petrolhead should come forth and celebrate the destruction of yet another EV.

And quite frankly, your hero worship of the man is every bit as confounding, except well, a whole lot tackier.

All of Musk's screw ups, exaggerations, and failures are well documented and well publicized.,Including Tesla's operating losses.

Then there's the intergalactically bound Tesla roadster. I fugure P.T. Barnam, (had he a stake in Space-X), would have shot a circus wagon into space, for his own self aggrandizement.

It does give one pause to wonder how someone who preaches endlessly how ecologically responsibe his electric cars are, would then blow through a couple of million pounds of rocket fuel, to do nothing but throw one away, turning it into one more piece of space junk.

So, unless you're going to blow up a bunch of Trump-esque, "fake news" accusations, you might try examining the man for what he really is, which is not the, "one true demigod of technological progress".

 

[captaincranky]

Agree. I would say they are just adding fuel to the fire, but then Tesla's don't use fuel. I love our Model S. They are great cars.

I also belong to another forum, which is based around music, guitars in particular.

Well, we had one member, who, no matter what price range, or what the player's needs might be in the way of a guitar, would constantly post the same, redundant suggestion that the person buy the exact same guitar he had.

One of the moderators concocted a specific terms for his habit, calling his contributions, "buyer's affirmation sh!tposts".

Keep in mind I'm always glad to read about how someone has more money than me, and well I always enjoy being presented with the opportunity to say,, "oh goody, another buyer's affirmation sh!tpost for breakfast".

And BTW, welcome to Techspot! (y)

 

[Badvok]

Yes it is interesting how any article relating to an Elon Musk business will bring out a number of posters with a totally irrational personal hatred of the man, if you actually challenge them on the basis of their hate you'll not get a sensible answer, just some vague dissembling about things they think he has done wrong in general but not to them personally.
As for Tesla however, every petrolhead should come forth and celebrate the destruction of yet another EV.

And quite frankly, your hero worship of the man is every bit as confounding, except well, a whole lot tackier.

All of Musk's screw ups, exaggerations, and failures are well documented and well publicized.,Including Tesla's operating losses.

Then there's the intergalactically bound Tesla roadster. I fugure P.T. Barnam, (had he a stake in Space-X), would have shot a circus wagon into space, for his own self aggrandizement.

It does give one pause to wonder how someone who preaches endlessly how ecologically responsibe his electric cars are, would then blow through a couple of million pounds of rocket fuel, to do nothing but throw one away, turning it into one more piece of space junk.

So, unless you're going to blow up a bunch of Trump-esque, "fake news" accusations, you might try examining the man for what he really is, which is not the, "one true demigod of technological progress".

Q.E.D.

 

[Jeremiah]

For all of you saying that the media only reports when the vehicle at fault is a Tesla, and never report on any other companies, you either have a memory problem, or you haven't read the news or watched the television. Reason is, there are countless articles covering GM, Toyota, Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, Ford and many other manufacturers having safety issues and recalls. In fact, a while back, there was a major news story about certain FCA vehicles catching on fire, or the possibility of a fuel line causing a fire.

But the difference is, those other companies tend to address the problem and make them right, rather than claim it is a one off occurance.

 

[cliffordcooley]

But the difference is, those other companies tend to address the problem and make them right, rather than claim it is a one off occurrence.

I take it you know how to "address the problem and make them right". Tell us, how do we keep these batteries from blazing up?

This particular issue is not a Tesla problem. This problem is an issue with the batteries. Any product that uses these batteries have the potential for blazing up. You can not throw all the blame at Tesla for this incident. It is an inherent flaw in EV or any other product that uses lithium-ion batteries.

 

[tipstir]

Insurance rates for this vehicle will be sky high now.. I seen a lot of these down here were I live. I will not avoid parking next to them driving too near them an etc.. That's crazy video to show flames coming out of it. Well when you buy TELSA should give you a a fire extinguisher or have that feature built-in as option if the AI detects overload it should turn on fire damping feature. I wonder if the Chevy Volt, Nissan Leaf, Honda Insight etc suffer for the same issue for their 100% electric cars?

 

[captaincranky]

....[ ].....This particular issue is not a Tesla problem. This problem is an issue with the batteries. Any product that uses these batteries have the potential for blazing up. You can not throw all the blame at Tesla for this incident. It is an inherent flaw in EV or any other product that uses lithium-ion batteries.

Tesla is gonna have to be categorized as a "primary offender", if only for the fact(s) that those batteries are being built by a Tesla subsidiary (I'm being charitable about the "subsidiary" classification), Tesla only sells EVs with Lithium batteries, and Tesla keeps offering ever larger, ("higher range at extra cost"), capacities.

At a certain point the Galaxy Note 8 stigma is going to rub off on them, whether they like it or not, or whether it's a fair comparison, or not.

We could easily argue the point that Lithium ion batteries will never be a completely reliable technology. Under that umbrella, and by extension EVs are not a fully mature technology, because of the state of battery development.

And after all, Tesla's "Auto-Pilot" has fallen under intense scrutiny. an argument in which goes back and forth between customer stupidity, and Tesla over hyping it. But hell, if you have to pay attention at all times anyway, the system doesn't offer too much relief, and you can always take your hands off the wheel and steer with your knee.

 

[wiyosaya]

Well, you know what they say, "you can lead a whale to the Tesla dealer or one of Musk's press conferences, but you can't make them drink the Kool-aid".

Well, there are some that Tesla can by using the magic marketing speak to control the rate at which the Kool-Aid flows. In this case, that magic speak is

an extraordinarily unusual occurrence

In what way? I mean I haven't tried to float any business propositions or made any claims as to my ability to have a Martian colony up and running anytime soon. In fact, since this is a social forum, I'd be banned for fund raising of any kind, for championing any business endeavor, I might put forth.

Tesla motors has lost money in the majority of quarters it's been operating. Yet still, the wide eyed millennial Musk cult members are still cheering, "go Elon". I think he's got you sucked in with his, "all the big industries are trying to bury me because I'm so brilliant", "com-brag-plaining".

Musk talked Panasonic out of billions of dollars to build "HIS" battery "giga factoty". Did he invent lithium batteries? Certainly not. Did he change the battery industry? Not as much as you'\d like to fantasize he did. Panasonic's money did.

Did he build the Kennedy Space center? No. Did he appropriate US government property, technology, and tax payer dollars to get it back up and running? The answer here again is a resounding, "yes he did".

Have 23% of Tesla Model 3 deposits been returned? Well, according to the press, yes they have. But then, you want to claim they're making stuff up, just so they can pick on your BFF Elon

You fans of Musk remind me of holocaust deniers.

That would be off topic...

OK, this is an op-ed forum. As such, points of view opposing yours, may be freely expressed, and trust me, I will continue to express mine.

What a mamber can't do is What a member cannot do, is concoct some sort of bizarre "trial by ordeal" challenge, demanding that if said challenge isn't met, the member must shut up.

In fact, one member can't tell another to "shut up", under any circumstance, in this open forum, period. This is known as an "ad hominem attack".

And simply because I am un-afflicted with "Musk hero worship syndrome", is no reason to put a guy down..

What you might consider doing, is sending out a bunch of PMs to all your little "Cult of Musk" groupies, and gang up on me. Perhaps something like this, "that SOB cranky is picking on the most fabulous carnival barker and fund raiser the world has ever known", let's get him!

While you're there, tell them I said Musk is trying to hijack "existentialism", with his drivel about how, "we might be living in a computer simulation". Tell them I said Jean Paul Sartre is a windbag too while you're at it.

"I think, therefore I post", to paraphrase Descartes, and will continue to do so.

Hm, maybe I should change my sig to "Cogito ergo escribere'". .......Nah, it's fine the way it is.

(y)

Tesla loses money hand over fist, can't deliver the cars it promised, has to return people's deposits, and now some examples spontaneously catch fire,. Is that what you millennials categorize as "successful"?

The next round of Tesla/Musk Kool-aid is on me. Cheers!

Some will never learn, but I will continue to be in your camp on this. Perhaps the only way they will learn is if Tesla/Musk goes under when he runs out of Kool-Aid

 

[wiyosaya]

I take it you know how to "address the problem and make them right". Tell us, how do we keep these batteries from blazing up?

This particular issue is not a Tesla problem. This problem is an issue with the batteries. Any product that uses these batteries have the potential for blazing up. You can not throw all the blame at Tesla for this incident. It is an inherent flaw in EV or any other product that uses lithium-ion batteries.

He'd be better off armoring the thing with all of titanium, aluminum, and carbon fiber in a sandwich structure. Highly unlikely much would get through that kind of structure.

 

[wiyosaya]

And quite frankly, your hero worship of the man is every bit as confounding, except well, a whole lot tackier.

All of Musk's screw ups, exaggerations, and failures are well documented and well publicized.,Including Tesla's operating losses.

Then there's the intergalactically bound Tesla roadster. I fugure P.T. Barnam, (had he a stake in Space-X), would have shot a circus wagon into space, for his own self aggrandizement.

It does give one pause to wonder how someone who preaches endlessly how ecologically responsibe his electric cars are, would then blow through a couple of million pounds of rocket fuel, to do nothing but throw one away, turning it into one more piece of space junk.

So, unless you're going to blow up a bunch of Trump-esque, "fake news" accusations, you might try examining the man for what he really is, which is not the, "one true demigod of technological progress".

Oh come-on Captain. You know how tempting that Kool-Aid is.

 

[wiyosaya]

Tesla is the company everyone talks about lately so only it's common sense press is gonna talk about Telsa catching fire not some riced Honda Civic. Lately Tesla has been getting bad press and one of the reasons might be Elon Musk attacking journalists for their dishonesty so they turned on him. Anyway, other "normal" cars usually don't catch fire for no reason.

As I see it, Musk is not attacking journalists for their dishonesty, he only attacking them for the true articles they run about Musk and Tesla. It is hard to argue that an article is fake when it is backed up by independent video - such as this one. The journalists are simply not drinking any of the Kool-Aid that Musk is or that Musk offers them, and that is what Musk dislikes. Off with the journalists' heads because they are reporting the truth when it comes to Musk and Tesla is essentially what Musk is saying.

 

[Nobina]

As I see it, Musk is not attacking journalists for their dishonesty, he only attacking them for the true articles they run about Musk and Tesla. It is hard to argue that an article is fake when it is backed up by independent video - such as this one. The journalists are simply not drinking any of the Kool-Aid that Musk is or that Musk offers them, and that is what Musk dislikes. Off with the journalists' heads because they are reporting the truth when it comes to Musk and Tesla is essentially what Musk is saying.

I wasn't talking about that. Musk had a rant on Twitter about journos in general, unrelated to Telsa and they went after him comparing him to Trump and whatnot. Since then I regulary see negative news about Tesla.

 

[Michiel]

Elon Musk does and says publicly, everything he possibly can, to draw attention to himself, his alleged "visionary" status, and his product(s), plus his "goals", "dreams", and "his vast future accomplishments:.

In short, he has drank enough of his own Kool-aid, that his next endeavor should be an NPO, offering a 12 step program, and campaigning under the name of, "Windbags Anonymous".

Well it's not like he doesn't have the track record to back it up. In a couple of years he's gone from making Paypal, to developing - from the ground up - an electric car business and a rocket business that has performed several feats previously unheard of (like landing and re-using rockets) and is fulfilling big contracts for NASA. Add to that his other businesses in solar energy and tunnel-boring and I think he deserves at least some of the attention he's been getting.

 

[Michiel]

Some will never learn, but I will continue to be in your camp on this. Perhaps the only way they will learn is if Tesla/Musk goes under when he runs out of Kool-Aid

Many businesses might run a loss in the initial years, especially when developing a new product and having to set up a new production line. It doesn't have to a be problem as long as you have deep pockets or inspire enough confidence in investors that they will be rewarded in the future. So far Musk seems to be fine on these points. This is the risk that entrepeneurs take, and yes it could all go south but it's not like Musk is not aware of- or trying to cover up the losses made by Tesla. You have to make investments first in order to reap benefits later. Does Musk over-promise? Sure, and he's admitted so himself numerous times. It's also clear they are doing everything they can to improve. It's very easy to criticize from the outside. I'm pretty sure most of the people who do have never run a multi-million dollar business before, or any business for that matter.

 

[captaincranky]

Well it's not like he doesn't have the track record to back it up. In a couple of years he's gone from making Paypal, to developing - from the ground up - an electric car business and a rocket business that has performed several feats previously unheard of (like landing and re-using rockets) and is fulfilling big contracts for NASA. Add to that his other businesses in solar energy and tunnel-boring and I think he deserves at least some of the attention he's been getting.

He is the greatest fund raiser and bullsh!t artist the world has ever known. Beyond that, yes, he's a clever businessman. The proof of that is ironically, Paypal is his one actual triumph.

Tesla is a money pit, and a big chunk of its stockholders were attempting to get rid of him as CEO. I doubt if they were successful, since his brother and all his friends are strategically placed on the Tesla board of directors. But it does represent a huge vote of "no confidence" in his leadership ability.

And answer this, how could have a company which has lost money since its inception, nor is able to deliver the vehicles Musk "sells", have turned him into a billionaijre, without him siphoning funds out the backdoor, and into his back pocket?

Tesla Motors is completely unable to cash the checks Musk writes with his mouth. As of now, it's a train wreck.

And all the nonsense people keep spouting about "how much Musk has done" is the result of his workers, and because you swallow hook, line, and sinker, everything that con artist tells you.

As far as actual work product from him of a scientific nature, he hasn't done squat, save for run his mouth and spend everyone else's money. Final answer,.

 

[cliffordcooley]

And all the nonsense people keep spouting about "how much Musk has done" is the result of his workers, and because you swallow hook, line, and sinker, everything that con artist tells you.

There is not a company alive this doesn't hold true for. You simply have it out for Musk, and everyone here knows it.

 

[captaincranky]

There is not a company alive this doesn't hold true for. You simply have it out for Musk, and everyone here knows it.

But yet, I honestly don't think I've told my first lie about the man.. Apparently my dislike of him, seems to have the same effect on you now, as the rest of this crew he's managed to hypnotize.

I'm, assuming you're well past mere functional literacy:

https://investorplace.com/2018/06/tesla-stock-elon-musk/

It would seem I'm not alone.

But in reality, he's not the same as every other corporate talking head. For example, if Tim Cook says the iPhone20 will be available on the Ides of March, 2020, you can safely slap on your backpack and get in line the night before.

If Musk / Tesla say they'll have your Model 3 ready 3 months ago, and you're still taking the bus, you may safely assume it didn't happen. It's sort of like the old country song joke, "if your telephone ain't rung, then it ain't me calling"..

Like I said, I've yet to tell my first lie about Musk: https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanoh...pulls-upbeat-musk-back-to-earth/#68512b5b61ba

So unless you consider Forbes Magazine, "an unreliable and bitter Musk hating blog", or that Tesla's most recent $675,000,000 operating loss is "fake news", perhaps I do have some of the facts straight.


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[captaincranky]

Oh come-on Captain. You know how tempting that Kool-Aid is.

I've been a Coke addict all my life. (Coca-cola, that is). And, (true story), every time I've tried "a more thirst quenching drink", such as grape soda during a very hot day, it gave me stomach cramps.

I think it has something to do with the sugars used in the concoction. Coke is (or perhaps was), primarily sweetened with sucrose (cane sugar), while fruit drinks have mostly fruit sugar "fructose", which is what seems to cause my intestinal distress.

So trust me, I won't be going anywhere near the Kool-aid, ever. In fact, I won't even drink Pepsi because it seems too sickly sweet.to me

I will say if you happen to enjoy rum & coke once in a while, grab a jug of Baccardi's "Oakheart" spiced rum. and sip it straight, with some iced Coke as a chaser. I tell you, it almost makes makes Saturday night for me. Posting a few rude but true things about Musk, along with a, "it's not delivery, it's DiJourno", pizza, completes the evening, turning it into the proverbial, "Beggar's Banquet". (y)

 

[yeeeeman]

I think profitability is overrated these days. Where is good will? Where is the courage to make something good/bold? This doesn't count in your view? It is surprising that all these automotive companies, which are giants, resorted to a lot of trickery in order to avoid the move to electric, to avoid doing what is obvious. They didn't do it because it looked as not being profitable, so you think just like them.
I truly believe that Tesla has a lot of value, just not all of it in hard cash or in investors or stock. They have a lot of knowledge in batteries, electric power trains, so I believe they will succeed. Arguably, I would say that they already succeeded in what they had proposed, that is to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport.
The fact that they didn't have a TON of cash after this, means that they invested most of their money into R&D, production, innovation, which, let me say, is a completely different approach compared to high profile companies in the industry.

 

[captaincranky]

I think profitability is overrated these days. Where is good will? Where is the courage to make something good/bold? This doesn't count in your view? It is surprising that all these automotive companies, which are giants, resorted to a lot of trickery in order to avoid the move to electric, to avoid doing what is obvious. They didn't do it because it looked as not being profitable, so you think just like them.
I truly believe that Tesla has a lot of value, just not all of it in hard cash or in investors or stock. They have a lot of knowledge in batteries, electric power trains, so I believe they will succeed. Arguably, I would say that they already succeeded in what they had proposed, that is to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport.
The fact that they didn't have a TON of cash after this, means that they invested most of their money into R&D, production, innovation, which, let me say, is a completely different approach compared to high profile companies in the industry.

Last year Tesla lost almost 2 billion, (with a "B") dollars.

I can assume you're not an investor, or even someone who has the vaguest idea what business is about. Tesla survives by fools pouring money into their stock And those people are trained investors, following the ups & downs, and either buying or selling, in relation to current market conditions.

If you think it's a wonderful thing, Tesla building electric cars while acting in the capacity of an NPO, ask Musk to show you his bank statement sometime..

The more cars he can't deliver, and the more cars he loses money on selling, the richer he seems to become.

 

[yeeeeman]

Yep, you seem them as fools, I see them as people that want a change. You can continue focusing on the billions, with a "B" of dollars lost.

 

[captaincranky]

Yep, you seem them as fools, I see them as people that want a change. You can continue focusing on the billions, with a "B" of dollars lost.

It's a pity you were too likelyyoung to partake of this; https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/mass-suicide-at-jonestown I'm absolutely certain there would have been.. a full to the brim cup of Kool-aid there with your name on it.

Yep, you seem them as fools, I see them as people that want a change. You can continue focusing on the billions, with a "B" of dollars lost.

And you can keep pontificating about it, because none of those, "billions with a B", came out of your pocket.

Next time Musk passes the hat for one of his cockamamie business schemes, I want to see you there with your checkbook out, and at the ready.

Maybe you could buy two of his flamethrowers, one for each hand.

 

[hood6558]

"Maybe you could buy two of his flamethrowers, one for each hand".
Originally $500, now collector's item - "As of Sunday afternoon, a few eBay users had posted white flamethrower guns — which Musk has named "Not A Flamethrower." Prices range from just under $3,000 to one listing with a "Buy it Now" price of $20,000. An instruction manual for the gun is also on sale for $250"
The man is great at marketing. He used his marketing momentum and reputation to promote this rich man's toy and increase his cash flow during a lean time, when Tesla was in danger of bankruptcy. The man doesn't give up, he does what it takes for success, within moral and ethical boundaries. If GM or Ford goes bankrupt, he still hasn't broken any laws, or even any moral or ethical principle. Disruption of an existing industry, with Elon's stated mission (moving society away from coal and oil), is a noble effort that should be universally applauded. Only the ingrained oil, auto, and coal industries have reason to hate on him, and those people have been killing people for profits in large numbers, for years, and want to continue. So that's who you align yourself with, when you hate on Musk. You are not a good person, if you want the status quo - the continuation of unnecessary deadly car accidents, dead coal miners, millions suffering from lung diseases, and billions of lives destroyed by global warming/rising sea levels. Hope you enjoy your funny little hate posts while people are dying from the evil corporate greed you apparently support.

 

[captaincranky]

"Maybe you could buy two of his flamethrowers, one for each hand".
Originally $500, now collector's item - "As of Sunday afternoon, a few eBay users had posted white flamethrower guns — which Musk has named "Not A Flamethrower." Prices range from just under $3,000 to one listing with a "Buy it Now" price of $20,000. An instruction manual for the gun is also on sale for $250"
The man is great at marketing. He used his marketing momentum and reputation to promote this rich man's toy and increase his cash flow during a lean time, when Tesla was in danger of bankruptcy. The man doesn't give up, he does what it takes for success, within moral and ethical boundaries. If GM or Ford goes bankrupt, he still hasn't broken any laws, or even any moral or ethical principle. Disruption of an existing industry, with Elon's stated mission (moving society away from coal and oil), is a noble effort that should be universally applauded. Only the ingrained oil, auto, and coal industries have reason to hate on him, and those people have been killing people for profits in large numbers, for years, and want to continue. So that's who you align yourself with, when you hate on Musk. You are not a good person, if you want the status quo - the continuation of unnecessary deadly car accidents, dead coal miners, millions suffering from lung diseases, and billions of lives destroyed by global warming/rising sea levels. Hope you enjoy your funny little hate posts while people are dying from the evil corporate greed you apparently support.

Blah, blah, blah, Musk's bank accounts are overflowing. If I had the gift of gab he did, I'd proclaim myself the "Saviour of the environment", and the "once, true, and future king of technology", also

If you're dumb enough to spend three grand for one of Musk's toys, go for it!.
Then we can share in your joy when you upload the pictures.

BTW, Musk is a pathological liar, so he can confer any name, on any object, he so desires, and speak authoritatively that he's telling the truth.

And FWIW, the flamethrower promotion, was to bail out his, "boring company", not Tesla.

Some of the funds you allege he's "procured" for Tesla, have been from the sale of his stock in the company, and gone into his bank accounts.