What is TPM and why does Windows 11 require it?

scavengerspc

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I'm happy that MS is finally taking responsibility out of the hands of the incompetent. The people that run badly outdated software, or refuse to allow updates to Windows are ALWAYS the first to ***** and moan and blame someone else when something goes wrong. Even though they very much deserve it.
 

Bullwinkle M

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I'm happy that MS is finally taking responsibility out of the hands of the incompetent. The people that run badly outdated software, or refuse to allow updates to Windows 10 are ALWAYS the first to ***** and moan when something goes wrong. Even though they very much deserve it.
Well now, we,ve heard from the CIA, the FBI and all the other scumbag criminals promoting this crap, but I have a simple question.......

Can you prove ANYTHING about why you claim this is so wonderful and magical for the End User ?

No?

Yeah, I didn't think so!

The ZERO trust model includes MICROSOFT!
 

kiwigraeme

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TPM is a good thing - similar with unique ID on a phone - more and more transactions are online - Again I will do my rant - This is not so much about YOU - but about the general user - any Apple phone user who criticises this - is well a hypocrite . My 2FA for my bank is tied to just one phone - so a hacker has to spoof my number and my phones ID .
Linux has it too - As the computer gets more checks to see who is really using it - more protections will be in place .
Think of the children - or nothing that you do online is really private .
Plus if for all the smart cookies here you can run virtual systems sans TPM for whatever reason you want .
End of the day in you use another PC for banking - your bank should implement a third later of protection - eg specific questions you know ( not what is the name of your pet ) so password -2FA- plus questions - or code generator
 

Bullwinkle M

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TPM is a good thing - similar with unique ID on a phone - more and more transactions are online - Again I will do my rant - This is not so much about YOU - but about the general user - any Apple phone user who criticises this - is well a hypocrite . My 2FA for my bank is tied to just one phone - so a hacker has to spoof my number and my phones ID .
Linux has it too - As the computer gets more checks to see who is really using it - more protections will be in place .
Think of the children - or nothing that you do online is really private .
Plus if for all the smart cookies here you can run virtual systems sans TPM for whatever reason you want .
End of the day in you use another PC for banking - your bank should implement a third later of protection - eg specific questions you know ( not what is the name of your pet ) so password -2FA- plus questions - or code generator

Being "a good thing" for specific use cases and being "a mandatory thing" for all use cases (and for everyone) are two completely different things

I have no use for secure boot / UEFI or TPM
I also have no reason to use Spyware Platform 10 with it's backdoor'd firewall, backdoor'd bitlocker encryption, the malvertising / the Spyware or the virus that Microsoft calls an antivirus

Oh, and the smart cookies here do not run gimped virtual systems sans TPM
They run NATIVE BOOT systems sans TPM!
 

Raytrace3D

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I enabled TPM (cpu security) in my BIOS (MSI MEG X399 Creation) earlier today... the Windows PC Health Check tool seems like like the new change I made in the BIOS as it now says I'm compatible. I'm relieved to see Windows 11 shows my Threadripper 2950X on the compatibility list.. poor 1000 series owners. :(
 

pcnthuziast

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Corps never cared what consumers wanted. Only whether or not they would bend the knee by opening their wallets. The new world order is emerging. Covid is part of a rollout to usher it in. The ruling class has nearly gutted the last traces of the only power those nearest the bottom ever had. It is part of a framework built upon the paradigm of inclusion versus exclusion. Don't be surprised if at some point very soon vaccination verification is integrated into everything. Even using Windows.
 

scavengerspc

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Well now, we,ve heard from the CIA, the FBI and all the other scumbag criminals promoting this crap, but I have a simple question.......

Can you prove ANYTHING about why you claim this is so wonderful and magical for the End User ?

No?

Yeah, I didn't think so!

The ZERO trust model includes MICROSOFT!
Wow, I never thought my post would get anyone so teary eyed but to answer you, kiwigraeme said it better that I could have (#28). And I doubt many people care about what you "have use for". There is a real world out there you know.
 
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scavengerspc

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Corps never cared what consumers wanted. Only whether or not they would bend the knee by opening their wallets. The new world order is emerging. Covid is part of a rollout to usher it in. The ruling class has nearly gutted the last traces of the only power those nearest the bottom ever had. It is part of a framework built upon the paradigm of inclusion versus exclusion. Don't be surprised if at some point very soon vaccination verification is integrated into everything. Even using Windows.
So what are the odds that your New World Order will look like Bunnies? Because my little niece loves Bunnies, and that would make all our coming doom and gloom easier to accept for her.
 

Neatfeatguy

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TPM, at the moment, doesn't bother me.

What bothers me is the fact that Home Edition will require a MS user account to install and setup the OS - trying to do an offline install won't be possible. Pro edition will allow setup of the OS when installing offline.

Also, with how poorly MS has handled forced Windows 10 updates, I have zero faith that Windows 11 will be handled any different.
 

Tantor

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TPM is like the vaccine and passport all rolled into one. It's an injection of new technology that 'reprograms' the core of your computer to fight viruses. It will identify you wherever you go on the internet. And most likely, it will be used to gather information on the user. Funny how they use a 'health check' metaphor to make sure your computer is ready for the upgrade.

The article fails to make a convincing case why TPM is mandatory. It doesn't explain why the hell you can't opt out.

TPM is a very complex system that nobody seems to know anything about. It must have the ability to send and receive encrypted information over the internet, without your knowledge. It operates invisibly below the regular OS, constantly checking on things. That is the recipe for massive invasion of privacy.

Win10 is going away in just 3 1/2 years. This is coming down on us like a freight train.

 

Tantor

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TPM, at the moment, doesn't bother me.

What bothers me is the fact that Home Edition will require a MS user account to install and setup the OS - trying to do an offline install won't be possible. Pro edition will allow setup of the OS when installing offline.

Also, with how poorly MS has handled forced Windows 10 updates, I have zero faith that Windows 11 will be handled any different.

Yes, that's the problem. MS wants to eliminate user anonymity.
 

Tantor

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So what are the odds that your New World Order will look like Bunnies? Because my little niece loves Bunnies, and that would make all our coming doom and gloom easier to accept for her.
So what are the odds that your New World Order will look like Bunnies? Because my little niece loves Bunnies, and that would make all our coming doom and gloom easier to accept for her.

The odds are very high that New World Order bunnies will suffer from gender, racial, and even species dysphoria.

I wish the best for your niece, but future bunnies will not be the sweet cuddly natural, innocent creatures of old.
 

cliffordcooley

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The article fails to make a convincing case why TPM is mandatory. It doesn't explain why the hell you can't opt out.
Big brother knows better and will not allow you the option to opt out. It's actually in their best interest not ours. They however want you to think it is in your best interest. Meanwhile none of their explanations make any sense, because they are terrible liars.
 

Tantor

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TPM is a good thing - similar with unique ID on a phone - more and more transactions are online - Again I will do my rant - This is not so much about YOU - but about the general user - any Apple phone user who criticises this - is well a hypocrite . My 2FA for my bank is tied to just one phone - so a hacker has to spoof my number and my phones ID .
Linux has it too - As the computer gets more checks to see who is really using it - more protections will be in place .
Think of the children - or nothing that you do online is really private .
Plus if for all the smart cookies here you can run virtual systems sans TPM for whatever reason you want .
End of the day in you use another PC for banking - your bank should implement a third later of protection - eg specific questions you know ( not what is the name of your pet ) so password -2FA- plus questions - or code generator

That's ridiculous. People have a right to reasonable privacy and security. That includes being anonymous when in public, shopping, or online.

Security is necessary, but it should be up to the individual to decide when or how they enable it. Not a corporation.
 

penn919

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It looks like my MS Surface Book 1 actually has TPM 2.0 and it's enabled and activated. So the stupid Health Check app is telling me I'm ineligible just because my processor isn't on the list. And that processor list only applies to the soft floor, not the hard floor.

If you want to check your computer's status for TPM, there's a much easier way then going to your BIOS (mine didn't even have a setting for it). Open PowerShell with admin privs and run Get-TPM. That'll tell you your TPM present, ready, enabled, and activation status. For the 1.2/2.0 version information, I found it in Device Manager under "Security devices".
Thanks for the tip. my R7 1700X isn't on the list, but it looks like I've got a TPM header on my motherboard. It sounds as though I'd either have to get a TPM module or upgrade to Zen+ (or greater). I'll probably hold out on upgrading and choose the latter right before the free upgrade path officially expires. Nothing wrong with Windows 10 in the meantime...
 

scavengerspc

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The odds are very high that New World Order bunnies will suffer from gender, racial, and even species dysphoria.
:joy: I get it, but I do disagree with the gender issues. I mean, have you ever watched those things? Even a rock isn't safe from those little pervs.

I wish the best for your niece, but future bunnies will not be the sweet cuddly natural, innocent creatures of old.
Very kind of you sir. But I hope you are wrong. I don't want to live in a world without Bunnies as they are now. They keep our little ones happy. :p
 
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Bullwinkle M

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I know more about TPM then you
That tells us exactly nothing

Does it mean you are "for" or "against" TPM ???

The truth is that anyone who knows exactly how the TPM works is refusing to back up anything they say with a single shred of evidence

If you truly know how it works, you should open it up for unbiased review and manufacture by "ANY" 3rd party who wishes to make their own "verifiable" TPM chips that are known to be safe for the end users (not the corporate monopolies) and allow anyone the option to use or not use them

Forced Compliance is an act of war!
 

captaincranky

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You know what the funniest part of this whole, "Windows 11" is?

Well, besides the fact it was never supposed to exist, you won't be able to avoid M$' endless nagging for you to adopt it. Since as you know, Windows 10 update can't be turned off

I escaped all the BS and full screen "Get Windows 10 Now", intrusions, by having Windows update turned off in my internet box.

Ah, those were the good old days, when you could pick and choose which KB-junk to install. I especially enjoyed ignoring the "KB- this helps to to install Windows 10".

What they meant to say was, "KB- this pressures you mercilessly to install Windows 10".

And let's face it, as Nadella got away with this the first time, that can only embolden him to do it again, perhaps in even grander style.
 
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Burty117

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God these comment sections are just painful. Arguably one of the most painful things to read on the internet.

Soo worried Microsoft might know what your favourite porn site is, you all just forgo any security that actually protects you from real harm.

Either that or you all just pirate games and cheat on them and you don't want that taken away.

Just sad to see, TPM has always been a good thing, it's never not been a good thing to have, been enabling TPM for Bitlocker and what not at work for years. About time it was made a default thing to enable, Apple have had their own version for years now enabled by default. Microsoft are just catching up.
 

Wereweeb

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Blablabla

As if piracy is a bad thing.

Culture should be inherently accessible to everyone, and corporations which impose crunches on their workers don't deserve a cent of anyone's money, especially not the money of anyone who couldn't otherwise afford to watch movies, series, or play games (I.e. most of the third world).

And before you say "but muh the devs", suits don't give a **** about devs (Hence, crunches), and who owns and control the corps are the suits. IP should have been abolished a long time ago, and replaced with directly funding artists and projects.
 

Wereweeb

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And the "muh vaccine bad" people may be stupid, but they're a symptom of the growing authoritarianism of modern states, enacted in name of "security concerns" created by a system that they exist to maintain.

It's 2021, we have fully automated machines capable of essentially abolishing scarcity of essential goods like food and housing. But instead of directing labour and materials towards that and a universal scientific education of humanity, people are left to rot without jobs while the rich who control the world's resources only want to accumulate numbers in their swiss accounts, in their private game of Monopoly.

Expect much more scammers, hackers, scalpers, authoritarianism, and stupid people who blame healthcare but were conditioned to see economic monarchs (billionaires) or militarized police as natural features of human social organization.