Windows 11 bloat proves too much for Microsoft's new 8GB Surface Laptop

So I start Win11 in a VM, and it runs windows updates, windows store updates, updates antivirus and antispyware definitions, runs a defender scan, runs an updater for edge, one for OneDrive (even though I of course am not using it), and I think yet another 'one application' updater but I forget what for. And SFC (system file check). Generally running multiple jobs simultaneously.

THAT is the kind of thing making Windows so bad on an 8GB system.

Linux? Snap updates (if you use Ubuntu), system updates Optionally file indexing. It does make sure these 3 items never run simultaneously. And all 3 can be turned off.
 
8GB is not enough for Teams and Doc's.
Noted.

Is this the same MS that took heat for saying 16GB wasn't good enough for a gaming PC?
 
Folks forget about Microsofts role in the "Duoploy" (Software & Hardware). For decades it was Microsofts JOB to "eat", "chew" or otherwise use up resources & performance to push the public to newer Hardware models with more resources. Hence each successive version of Windows by default uses more resources and is slower than the previous version(s) on the same hardware.

While WIN7 or even WIN10 with merely 4GB of RAM might of easily done the tasks outlined in the article I don't think anyone finds is surprising that WIN11 is to bloated for even 8GB of RAM.
 
I'm on my third week trying Linux. I tried Cachyos for a week and then went on to try mint cinnamon, which I will probably stay with.
I have my windows 10 sitting on the m.2 in its box if I ever want to go back to it, but at this stage I have no desire to do that.
I'm quite happy with mint and the performance is amazing. I had actually left the system in power saver mode by accident and was happily playing games on steam for hours without realising. There were no hitches or anything. On windows it would have been a stuttering, low frame mess.
Oh and no drivers searching. Both cachyos and mint found my creative zx sound card and just work after the install. I used to have issues with most drivers on windows with it.
 
Lol 10 chrome tabs open is enough to tank a machine with 8GB of ram is this there first time using a PC?

That machine is one app open at at time if you want to use teams on it.
 
Wow. Everybody arguing about how right they are, very few actually making any points. To wit: Windows 11 ships with a ridiculous amount of services on and running on boot by default - Windows cloud services like Meetings and Onedrive, edge, sometimes OneNote, endless telemetry and reporting services, security, anti-viral, fax (in 2026!!!), Xbox, game overlays, etc... ad nauseam, and this does not count specific manufacturer bloatware (yes, even Microsoft).

About drivers: the kabillion drivers that ship with Windows are necessary for the thing to boot and run on a new install/pc. They make the install footprint larger, take up more hard drive space. But they only use ram and cpu cycles if they are installed and invoked, so no, this is not the issue. this is not 2005 and we are not using mechanical hdds.

About Linux Nvidia drivers, or Apple (broadcom) Wifi drivers: you need to install them on linux post-install because they are PROPRIETARY and cannot be included by default in the distros. That's the only reason, essentially a completely different philosophy from Microsoft's.

I may spend 10 minutes adding some drivers and services to Linux when I fresh install, but I'll spend an hour or more removing Windows garbage aimed at herding users to specific services, and THEN adding what I actually want and use (wmp? in 2026? How about VLC?).

Fortunately, solutions exist: Winhance, win11debloat, Tiny11, AtlasOS, etc.... And they clearly demonstrate that Windows 11 can work perfectly well on resource challenged and older systems. It is, however, unreasonable to expect your average user to understand or do something about this - they'll just get herded to targeted services while their systems overheats, lags, and stalls. MS, and every MS, doesn't care about your system lagging, they care about you using OneDrive and being able to tell advertisers what brand burrito you had for breakfast after scanning the fart you just put out that the new ButtSniffer dll picked up on during its latest active scan of your gaming chair.

Ah, the future: where technology and progress are conflated, as if my camera improving the photo for me, my music app forever eliminating variety by pushing me to what it has decided that I like, or facebook , x, and insta telling me who my friends are, what to say, and how to behave while I tiktok dance around like a hamster on ecstasy, and shill for likes, as if all these are somehow good things - signs of an advanced society. Hardly. And now comes AI, the ultimate nanny for us all to suckle. Just remember Copilot is your friend...... your only friend (but wait, I debloated it. Funeral for my Copilot next week).
 
They should just un-cancel Copilot OS and use that instead.

After all, apparently Windows 11 is too bloated, so if you just remove the useful bits and leave behind the stuff Microsoft actually wants you to use, surely that has to be better-optimized...right?
 
They should just un-cancel Copilot OS and use that instead.

After all, apparently Windows 11 is too bloated, so if you just remove the useful bits and leave behind the stuff Microsoft actually wants you to use, surely that has to be better-optimized...right?
Isn't that what Google did with ChromeOS? pure google services optimized to run on a hamster wheel powered laptop, and to actually run fairly well. Not my thing, but many people used to swear by them. You're quite right that MS should do the same for their fans, and leave the rest of us alone with a neutral and balanced OS (the way Apple used to be, even they have slipped down the slippery slope, albeit less so).
 
Isn't that what Google did with ChromeOS? pure google services optimized to run on a hamster wheel powered laptop, and to actually run fairly well. Not my thing, but many people used to swear by them. You're quite right that MS should do the same for their fans, and leave the rest of us alone with a neutral and balanced OS (the way Apple used to be, even they have slipped down the slippery slope, albeit less so).
It is, yes. However, this was back in the early 2010s, when Windows 7 was still in vogue. Back then, dual-cores, 1GB of RAM and 64 GB of storage was commonplace and Windows was simply big and expensive for most netbooks. That's why Chromebooks used to be "literally just Chrome", before it became...well...ChromeOS + Android + Gemini.

I have a feeling that the reason Microsoft doesn't actually "make fetch happen" and just release Copilot OS as a real product rather than just an embarrasing leak, is because there would be no more "hiding". Right now, every failure of Copilot can be attributed to bugs and glitches in Windows; there is plausible deniability. Release Copilot by itself, on it own operating system, though, and now shareholders and investors can see the naked truth laid bare. No more "30 years of legacy codebase" to distract from Copilot's complete lack of utility or functionality so bad, people go out of their way to disable it.

At this point, I think even Microsoft knows they screwed up. They can deny it all they want, but "money talks, bullsh*t walks" and boy do they have miles to go. I think they're also too deep in. Even if they reverse course now, their shareholders are going to ask "where'd all our money go?" and they won't have a good answer. So, they must double, triple, quadruple down or risk possible insolvency.
 
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Windows is a bloated mess. Why do the new calendar and clock apps, written in web view, need half a gig of memory to run when the old programs ran in the kilobytes? Why do you need thousands upon thousands of services on a fresh install?
Not denying it's a bloated mess out of the box, but small correction. Calendar and Clock do not run in WebView2. On a clean install Search, Edge, Widgets and some other things run on WebView2 and Search can be reverted to pre-WebView2 with a registry setting.
 
Is anyone actually, honestly surprised that W11 bloat fest stuggles on an 8GB laptop?

I'm more surprised the 8GB laptop didn't catch fire.
 
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