YouTube bans anti-vaccine misinformation on its platform

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kiwigraeme

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It's good people have concerns - however it's not like there are no researchers studying AI bias etc . It is a worry FB and to a lesser extent YT control your feed - but you have some power to change that. Is it bad what YT does - maybe not - if just removes the super crazy stuff . It counters BS/lies travel faster. YT is an entertainment channel for me at least ( except when I need to fix something )- got better things than listening to ranters. If you are going to rant - make if funny or face Googles Wrath I say
 

captaincranky

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So many blankets you place on those you disagree with.... Every person is different. I dunno, kinda like an individual. Thank goodness we don't have to abide by your suggested rules
Not I yours.
One issue with all of this, has to do with the fact that all of the rules and mandates are actually changing the way we must live our lives. What I see, experience, and what my friends and family have also witnessed is that we alot of people who have had the virus. Only one person comes to mind that actually passed away. I had it, no vaccine. I
But 675,000 have died from SARS-2. Or is that just a made up number to make you wear a mask? Are those shots of people on respirators all just publicity stunts? Are those full ICU wards, done on a sound stage, just so drug companies can make money selling vaccines? Is it all just a game to make us look funny wearing face coverings?
but don't tread on me
Where'd you steal that little gem?
It is not possible to vaccinate away this kind of virus. It will change every year, the same influenza and the common cold. Is that not science?
Delta variant already.
Don't generalize too much, because some viruses can be permanently vaccinated away, Sic::

Before smallpox was eradicated, it was a serious infectious disease caused by the variola virus. It was contagious—meaning, it spread from one person to another. People who had smallpox had a fever and a distinctive, progressive skin rash.

However, I tend to agree with you that this virus may not be able to be contained on a permanent basis.

Which is why I got my double extra heavy dose of flu vaccine last week. And I have no qualms about getting vaccinated against whichever strain of covid mat be prevalent on a yearly basis.

I adhere to 'business owners requests to wear a mask when inside their establishments. Ir's a matter of common decency and politesse.

You, OTOH, seem like the type to start a battle on an airliner, when somebody asks you to wear one. Hopefully, you'll be able to, "live your life to the fullest", even if you were to wind up on a no fly list..
 
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scavengerspc

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One issue with all of this, has to do with the fact that all of the rules and mandates are actually changing the way we must live our lives. What I see, experience, and what my friends and family have also witnessed is that we each know alot of people who have had the virus.
I only knew 2 people that got it, and both made it through fine. But lucky for me, I can see life well beyond my own nose and refuse to hear anyone living in their own limited circle of ignorance. 700,000 people have loved ones that know all too well how foolish anti-maskers\anti-vaxxers are.

If you are afraid, then get your shots and wear your mask, but don't tread on me for living my life to the fullest.
And don't come near anyone like me and my friends and families that you feel you have a right to throw under the ignorance bus. You won't do well.
And your rights are supposed to come with a ton of responsibility. Those rules are for all of us. And I will help you with that word:

It is not possible to vaccinate away this kind of virus. It will change every year, the same as influenza and the common cold. Is that not science?
Delta variant already.
Delta grew for one reason. People like you. It finds pockets where resistance is small and mutates. That is a known fact for nearly 2 centuries.
You need to hit the books. You actually know very little and the anti everythings such as yourself has gone past infuriating, boredom and straight to laughable.

 

cliffordcooley

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700,000 people have loved ones that know all too well how foolish anti-maskers\anti-vaxxers are.
You are the one in a bubble trying to tell me how to live my live. Shut up about the damned mask and vaccination. If you getting vaccinated and wearing a mask doesn't help you, It is not my fault. I'm not going to live my life as if a tornado is going to strike every minute of every day. Stop with the scare tactics. I'm not buying! You act as if you want people sick. What is wrong with you. I'd bet if you did get sick. It would be because you worried so much about getting sick.
 

scavengerspc

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You are the one in a bubble trying to tell me how to live my live. Shut up about the damned mask and vaccination. If you getting vaccinated and wearing a mask doesn't help you, It is not my fault. I'm not going to live my life as if a tornado is going to strike every minute of every day. Stop with the scare tactics. I'm not buying! You act as if you want people sick. What is wrong with you. I'd bet if you did get sick. It would be because you worried so much about getting sick.
I'm not telling you how to live your life. I AM telling how not to live it around people I care about if you can't do it with the minimum of accepted human decency.

Maybe I will drive past a bunch of kids in your area at 3 times the speed limit every once in a while. Every time I don't hit and kill anyone, all is well, isn't it?

I'm not buying!
I'm not selling. I think it would be a shame if you and those like you wore a mask and got the shot. And I strongly urge you and those like you to hang around each other as much as possible.
 

Rayneofpayne

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There's a difference between a forum publicly available on the internet that was set up by a private company and a public forum. See https://www.merriam-webster.com/legal/public forum#:~:text=legal Definition of public forum. : a place,and assembly — see also limited public forum.

Note the key words in the definition - "dedicated by government".
When you have a forum with "no gate" it is public, what makes property private is a gate or door. The internet is no exception, to physical property.
Also laws are living and reinforced by precedent that changes when challenged in the courtrooms different states and different countries have different rulings. Also FYI Websters is not a legal definition, a legal definition is in and determined in legal books just like the word Homicide as an example which in legal definition is just a death in the presence of others, as according to US law, does not mean a murder has been committed like tv would make you believe.
 

Rayneofpayne

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A member of the Qanon continuum are we?

FIXED..! (De nada).

Or was the "anon" supposed to be tacitly implied? :confused:
Actually no but whatever you may not understand this but there are individuals that are neither on the red or blue camp because both are filled with morons, liberal conservative why limit your option when both sides are *****s.
I support my own thoughts and am not weak enough to follow others like a sheep that blindly check a box and consider civil duty performed.

All I said was do your own research because they are full of ****, pick up a medical book.
 

Rayneofpayne

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I'm thinking you're talking about Klaus Schwab? He was talking about "war gaming" a pandemic, and he said it about a year before Covid-19. He was making an attempt to prepare, not subvert. And I read The Great Reset post Covid. Are you sure he is the one you want to use an example?


No there isn't. The laws are really quite clear. But I would appreciate even a shred of proof.
Yes sorry auto type and no he wrote 4 books 2 while COVID was going on, and yes.

Laws are living there buddy precedent can be changed when challenged in a court the problem is you have old *** supreme court members who cannot even use a smart phone. If you want precedent though they clearly state physically the difference between private and public property irl with freedom of speech which is contradiction to what you are referencing. Eventually it will be overturned as eventually at the rate private companies are going they are stirring up a hornets nest...in fact Trump has a lawsuit right now against big tech, that supreme court meme we are happy to have someone bring it forward, see in the US legislative can right laws till they are blue in the face until it's challenged in court the supreme court cannot decide if on a technical level according to the law it is legal to exist......
Or do you seriously not understand how laws are written, enforced, and upheld, there is a reason why there are 3 branches and they provide checks and balances....
Keep in mind I don't care about Trump some things he did I agreed with others not at all but I don't suck a political parties pee pee or for that matter mainstream media, let alone do I believe they have integrity..not in the slightest, they are practically tabloids now, all of them.

All I am saying is do your due diligence and don't play the part of the fool. That is all.
 

scavengerspc

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Yes sorry auto type and no he wrote 4 books 2 while COVID was going on, and yes.
I didn't say he wrote one book. I said I read The Great Reset. The one you tried quoting it looks like.

Eventually it will be overturned
We will never agree on that. A private company is free to do its own thing and participate in society as they choose.

in fact Trump has a lawsuit right now against big tech
I will have to read up on it if I can. He has 100's of lawsuits as usual and won't win any of them. We know what he did, and in the end so do you.

Or do you seriously not understand how laws are written, enforced, and upheld, there is a reason why there are 3 branches and they provide checks and balances
I knew how the laws process worked before High School. And so did most of us. And those checks and balances are why they can't win in 95% of the courts against masking laws. That's why 500 members of the American Taliban are in jail\awaiting trial. And It's why trump is not the President right now.

All I am saying is do your due diligence and don't play the part of the fool. That is all.
I have stated facts, as have many others. You have done nothing but misdirect, mislead and call others a fool. Ironically, guess what that makes you.
 

Darth Shiv

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You are the one in a bubble trying to tell me how to live my live. Shut up about the damned mask and vaccination. If you getting vaccinated and wearing a mask doesn't help you, It is not my fault. I'm not going to live my life as if a tornado is going to strike every minute of every day. Stop with the scare tactics. I'm not buying! You act as if you want people sick. What is wrong with you. I'd bet if you did get sick. It would be because you worried so much about getting sick.
The ostrich defence is not effective against a pandemic. It doesn't give a flying F about your "rights". If you value society, you will value the knowledge that you can protect people by taking measures to stop the pandemic spreading to other people. You can't pretend your actions don't matter.
 

captaincranky

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When you have a forum with "no gate" it is public, what makes property private is a gate or door. The internet is no exception, to physical property.
Well, by your definition this is a "public forum". It does meet your assumed criteria.

My suggestion would then be since this is a public forum, you should be able to say whatever is on your mind. Feel free to start calling people names. Tell them to shoot Draino to cure covid. Better yet, explain that covid is a complete hoax

Go on to elaborate on how viral diseases have never been eradicated with vaccines.

After all. you're a really bright guy. From what I've read thus far, you "can read between the lines of what's already between the lines"

go on to share how, "masks don't help". Then finish up with how the CDC and the NIH were bribed by 3M to be allowed to put "N-95" on their masks, in order to give the illusion that they remove at least 95% of all particulate matter down to the size of virus particles.

Life is just one big conspiracy, to "curb your freedom", isn't it? And you're going to shout down anybody with a reasonable approach and outlook. After all you're "RayneofPatne". It's a pity that ego always trumps common sense.

That last blast of bullsh!t you put up,, indicates that you think you know more than people on, "both sides of the aisle". We're all morons according to you. I'll give you a clue, politicians are chronic narcissists, but they're far from stupid. (With a few glaring exceptions).

And now the bad news, that particular inherent belief system is one aspect of sociopathy. But, you're among friends an colleagues .Why, I myself thought I knew it all. Then one horrible and fateful day, I grew up and realized how much I didn't.
 
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captaincranky

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The ostrich defence is not effective against a pandemic. It doesn't give a flying F about your "rights". If you value society, you will value the knowledge that you can protect people by taking measures to stop the pandemic spreading to other people. You can't pretend your actions don't matter.
You can quote and respond to whomever all you want, however you choose. Just keep one thing in mind, at the end of the day, it oftentimes will be as productive as talking to a MAGA hat, full of concrete.
 

wiyosaya

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So many blankets you place on those you disagree with.... Every person is different. I dunno, kinda like an individual. Thank goodness we don't have to abide by your suggested rules. One issue with all of this, has to do with the fact that all of the rules and mandates are actually changing the way we must live our lives. What I see, experience, and what my friends and family have also witnessed is that we each know alot of people who have had the virus. Only one person comes to mind that actually passed away. I had it, no vaccine. If you are afraid, then get your shots and wear your mask, but don't tread on me for living my life to the fullest. It is not possible to vaccinate away this kind of virus. It will change every year, the same as influenza and the common cold. Is that not science?
Delta variant already.
When you use science and the statistical analysis of how many people would die in the US if herd immunity was pursued without vaccine use, the number of deaths would have been in the millions. If you think that your inconvenience is bad, imagine what it would be like without the vaccine.

Your living life to its fullest does not give you the right to pass on your illnesses to others especially when it may be deadly to them - as has been well established in the courts in the US. Look up "Typhoid Mary" for instance.

Your "freedoms" do not give you, or anyone, the right to infringe on the freedoms of others. You cannot forsake the freedoms of others for your own.

And your argument of "I had it, I survived" and "only one person I know passed away" does not mean that will apply to everyone, and in fact, is logical fallacy along the lines of Normalcy Bias - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

As I see it, the only reason there's a bias against science in your opinions is because of a lack of training in science.
 

wiyosaya

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You are the one in a bubble trying to tell me how to live my live. Shut up about the damned mask and vaccination. If you getting vaccinated and wearing a mask doesn't help you, It is not my fault. I'm not going to live my life as if a tornado is going to strike every minute of every day. Stop with the scare tactics. I'm not buying! You act as if you want people sick. What is wrong with you. I'd bet if you did get sick. It would be because you worried so much about getting sick.
Assuming you can do no harm to others? You may intend no harm yet do harm to others. There are no scare tactics here. As I see it, your life is lived in fear. Somehow, your freedoms are so important that they override the freedoms of everyone else.
 

wiyosaya

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When you have a forum with "no gate" it is public, what makes property private is a gate or door. The internet is no exception, to physical property.
Also laws are living and reinforced by precedent that changes when challenged in the courtrooms different states and different countries have different rulings. Also FYI Websters is not a legal definition, a legal definition is in and determined in legal books just like the word Homicide as an example which in legal definition is just a death in the presence of others, as according to US law, does not mean a murder has been committed like tv would make you believe.
I guess you think you are above the law? Good luck with that.

No gate means its public, huh? Then when the law allows for "Private property" signs, that means that we can ignore them? Try going on one such property and then defending yourself by saying "I did not see the sign."

The simple fact of the matter is that all privately owned internet sites have something called a "Terms of Service" agreement by which everyone using that site HAS TO abide. If you don't like those terms then no one is compelling you to use the site.

And you are highly unlikely to be able to change the definition of what is public and what is private as it is already well established.

So you think you can go out and just do whatever you want? Try it. Go rob someone or worse and see what happens to you. Or try something like relieving yourself on the floor of a grocery store or some other "public" place.

Better yet, do you think that since a grocery store or any other similar "public" establishment means that you can go in and take something without paying for it? Try it some time, and see what happens. You might get away with it, but your hubris will get you arrested at some point.

All your opinions amount to strawman arguments - in other words, logical fallacy.
 

wiyosaya

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Actually no but whatever you may not understand this but there are individuals that are neither on the red or blue camp because both are filled with morons, liberal conservative why limit your option when both sides are *****s.
I support my own thoughts and am not weak enough to follow others like a sheep that blindly check a box and consider civil duty performed.

All I said was do your own research because they are full of ****, pick up a medical book.
Congratulations! You read a medical book and now you are an expert! :facepalm:
 

Rayneofpayne

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I guess you think you are above the law? Good luck with that.

No gate means its public, huh? Then when the law allows for "Private property" signs, that means that we can ignore them? Try going on one such property and then defending yourself by saying "I did not see the sign."

The simple fact of the matter is that all privately owned internet sites have something called a "Terms of Service" agreement by which everyone using that site HAS TO abide. If you don't like those terms then no one is compelling you to use the site.

And you are highly unlikely to be able to change the definition of what is public and what is private as it is already well established.

So you think you can go out and just do whatever you want? Try it. Go rob someone or worse and see what happens to you. Or try something like relieving yourself on the floor of a grocery store or some other "public" place.

Better yet, do you think that since a grocery store or any other similar "public" establishment means that you can go in and take something without paying for it? Try it some time, and see what happens. You might get away with it, but your hubris will get you arrested at some point.

All your opinions amount to strawman arguments - in other words, logical fallacy.
Depends on the state, you have a straw man argument going on.
Either way you are unreasonable so grats and you are not worth debating with.
 

Rayneofpayne

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Well, by your definition this is a "public forum". It does meet your assumed criteria.

My suggestion would then be since this is a public forum, you should be able to say whatever is on your mind. Feel free to start calling people names. Tell them to shoot Draino to cure covid. Better yet, explain that covid is a complete hoax

Go on to elaborate on how viral diseases have never been eradicated with vaccines.

After all. you're a really bright guy. From what I've read thus far, you "can read between the lines of what's already between the lines"

go on to share how, "masks don't help". Then finish up with how the CDC and the NIH were bribed by 3M to be allowed to put "N-95" on their masks, in order to give the illusion that they remove at least 95% of all particulate matter down to the size of virus particles.

Life is just one big conspiracy, to "curb your freedom", isn't it? And you're going to shout down anybody with a reasonable approach and outlook. After all you're "RayneofPatne". It's a pity that ego always trumps common sense.

That last blast of bullsh!t you put up,, indicates that you think you know more than people on, "both sides of the aisle". We're all morons according to you. I'll give you a clue, politicians are chronic narcissists, but they're far from stupid. (With a few glaring exceptions).

And now the bad news, that particular inherent belief system is one aspect of sociopathy. But, you're among friends an colleagues .Why, I myself thought I knew it all. Then one horrible and fateful day, I grew up and realized how much I didn't.
Another absolutely unreasonable person that simply does not understand how to debate properly. Bye bye.
 

Rayneofpayne

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I didn't say he wrote one book. I said I read The Great Reset. The one you tried quoting it looks like.


We will never agree on that. A private company is free to do its own thing and participate in society as they choose.


I will have to read up on it if I can. He has 100's of lawsuits as usual and won't win any of them. We know what he did, and in the end so do you.


I knew how the laws process worked before High School. And so did most of us. And those checks and balances are why they can't win in 95% of the courts against masking laws. That's why 500 members of the American Taliban are in jail\awaiting trial. And It's why trump is not the President right now.


I have stated facts, as have many others. You have done nothing but misdirect, mislead and call others a fool. Ironically, guess what that makes you.
...another person that cannot debate properly, ....such a shame so hardheaded 3 of you are spouting nonsense based on assumptions of Law rather than actual....Law.
Bye enjoy yourself and your so called facts.
 
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