AMD has an easy win sitting right in front of it, yet it's choosing not to take it. FSR 4 already works on older Radeon GPUs, so why is AMD still holding it back?
AMD Just Made Another Radeon Mistake
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themastergoose
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Not defending AMD for holding back FSR4, but if it works on older cards (even if slower than on RDNA4), then just release it.
That said, if I were AMD, I’d see little reason to push FSR and other features to older cards when this site and many others constantly criticise them at every chance. It’s often noted that tech sites go easier on Nvidia, and some only want AMD to compete on performance at a lower price so they can get Nvidia cards cheaper.
I can’t blame AMD for not bothering at the moment, especially when tech sites rarely support Radeon, overblow any issues they find, and consumers are willing to pay £300 - 400 more for an RTX 5070 Ti over a 9070 XT. That says it all really and I don't know what the solution is at this point. Even when they release a fast product for considerably less, people still choose to pay well above MSRP for Nvidia to get the same performance.
That said, if I were AMD, I’d see little reason to push FSR and other features to older cards when this site and many others constantly criticise them at every chance. It’s often noted that tech sites go easier on Nvidia, and some only want AMD to compete on performance at a lower price so they can get Nvidia cards cheaper.
I can’t blame AMD for not bothering at the moment, especially when tech sites rarely support Radeon, overblow any issues they find, and consumers are willing to pay £300 - 400 more for an RTX 5070 Ti over a 9070 XT. That says it all really and I don't know what the solution is at this point. Even when they release a fast product for considerably less, people still choose to pay well above MSRP for Nvidia to get the same performance.
LordVile95
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There’s likely issues that limited testing wouldn’t show and the performance is worse than 3.1
AMD continue to do everything they possibly can to fail to score in the open goal that is consumer GPUs at the moment (and all the way into 2028 by the look of it).
Hopefully Intel, with their newly appointed head of GPUs, can continue to make inroads into NVidia's dominance because AMD seem determined to do no more than pick up the scraps behind them.
Hopefully Intel, with their newly appointed head of GPUs, can continue to make inroads into NVidia's dominance because AMD seem determined to do no more than pick up the scraps behind them.
C'mon. Western companies don't care anymore. It's just maximizing shareholder value and pumping stocks. They won't listen to Tim. I don't think They know who Tim is. Let's face It, We have to wait for Chinese. They want piece of the pie and are not afraid to make Their hands dirty with this disgusting "manufacturing".
"The huge mistake AMD is making here is that over time it's becoming increasingly clear that Nvidia offers better long-term driver and feature support for GeForce GPUs than AMD does for Radeon."
AMD can't help, but shoot themselves in the foot.
I guess it's a good thing for me at least when they screwed up the 9xxx series launch. Waited for the 9070XT only to be delayed because they wanted to see what Nvidia will do with price? Guess what, that made me buy the 5070TI. Play around and you will find out! People will move away from you...
AMD can't help, but shoot themselves in the foot.
I guess it's a good thing for me at least when they screwed up the 9xxx series launch. Waited for the 9070XT only to be delayed because they wanted to see what Nvidia will do with price? Guess what, that made me buy the 5070TI. Play around and you will find out! People will move away from you...
j4ni1
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Another hit piece on AMD. The same author has now two of those on main page. One with the very loaded title of "How far behing is Amd?" sure that's a proper title for a review...
Lets assume AMD releases FSR4 for the RX7000 series which clearly lacks some of the hardware capabilities thats present in RX9000. The result would be that FSR4 would be lagging behind on RX7000 and there would be some annoying bugs. I am sure the same author that wrote this hitpiece would again **** on AMDs head and as why AMD releases half baked software.
I suppose AMD is far back compared to nVidia when it comes to blackmailing reviewers about giving positive scores.
Lets assume AMD releases FSR4 for the RX7000 series which clearly lacks some of the hardware capabilities thats present in RX9000. The result would be that FSR4 would be lagging behind on RX7000 and there would be some annoying bugs. I am sure the same author that wrote this hitpiece would again **** on AMDs head and as why AMD releases half baked software.
I suppose AMD is far back compared to nVidia when it comes to blackmailing reviewers about giving positive scores.
Rocky4040
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Hello,
Spot on article on this thank you for bringing this up.
I have a 7900XTX 24GB and if it is AMDs thinking that someone like me would want to down grade to a 9000 series card, they really don't have a clue. Why would I want to buy a card with pretty much less everything? I already know if I wanted to my card would do FSR 4 and that my card is faster than the 9070XT and has more vram and the list goes on.
Get a clue AMD most Radeon are smart enough to know side grading from a 7000 series to a 9000 series is not a very smart move if you have either a 7900XT or 7900XTX.
Spot on article on this thank you for bringing this up.
I have a 7900XTX 24GB and if it is AMDs thinking that someone like me would want to down grade to a 9000 series card, they really don't have a clue. Why would I want to buy a card with pretty much less everything? I already know if I wanted to my card would do FSR 4 and that my card is faster than the 9070XT and has more vram and the list goes on.
Get a clue AMD most Radeon are smart enough to know side grading from a 7000 series to a 9000 series is not a very smart move if you have either a 7900XT or 7900XTX.
AMD's outright refusal to support FSR4 on older hardware absolutely gave me pause on grabbing a 9070xt. When uDNA5 comes out with FSR5, there's a very good chance that rDNA4 will be left high and dry. AMD abandoning rDNA2 sealed the deal. Placing hardware that is only 3 years old on maintenance mode is absolutely insane.
Especially when they hit record revenue last year and nVidia is supporting hardware older then rDNA1 (rtx 2000 series) with DLSS 4.5.
The work has already been done. FSR4 works on INT8. It works on linux. There are tools to make it work on Windows. AMD's continued refusal to officially port the tools back only continues to hurt their reputation, especially when nVidia supports the RTX 2000 series to this day. Instead AMD tried (and mostly succeeded) in abandoning rDNA1/2 users (both of which are newer then the RTX 2000s) with maintenance mode drivers and left rDNA2/3 users high and dry with new software, focusing everything on rDNA4. Their redstone release had INT8 code in it showing they were fully aware it could run on older GPUs and chose to ignore them on purpose.
nVidia gets **** on too when they screw up software releases. The community was savage on them for screwing up blackwell's drivers. You going to complain about them too, or is this only an AMD thing?
Oh yeah, and the community has already gotten FSR4 working on rDNA3. It works fine. So drop the strawman arguments. AMD has no excuse for not porting this, aside from malice or incompetence.
Especially when they hit record revenue last year and nVidia is supporting hardware older then rDNA1 (rtx 2000 series) with DLSS 4.5.
If AMD chooses to not support its customer base with previous generation hardware because of some mean comments, then they deserve to have 6% marketshare.
The work has already been done. FSR4 works on INT8. It works on linux. There are tools to make it work on Windows. AMD's continued refusal to officially port the tools back only continues to hurt their reputation, especially when nVidia supports the RTX 2000 series to this day. Instead AMD tried (and mostly succeeded) in abandoning rDNA1/2 users (both of which are newer then the RTX 2000s) with maintenance mode drivers and left rDNA2/3 users high and dry with new software, focusing everything on rDNA4. Their redstone release had INT8 code in it showing they were fully aware it could run on older GPUs and chose to ignore them on purpose.
Yes, a multi billion dollar corpo should ensure their software works properly. Poor Poor AMD...
nVidia gets **** on too when they screw up software releases. The community was savage on them for screwing up blackwell's drivers. You going to complain about them too, or is this only an AMD thing?
Oh yeah, and the community has already gotten FSR4 working on rDNA3. It works fine. So drop the strawman arguments. AMD has no excuse for not porting this, aside from malice or incompetence.
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Dont meatshield for AMD. Their revenue has dramatically expanded over the last few years. They can afford to support their hardware.
More importantly, anti consumer practices like abandoning hardware and refusing to support a previous generation with software should not be encouraged. Doesnt matter if it is AMD doing it.
If AMD were supporting back to rDNA1 and nvidia was refusing to release anything for less then Blackwell you'd be dogpiling nvidia calling them greedy and horrible, ece. If it would be unacceptable for nvidia to do it, its unacceptable for AMD to do it.
FSR4 was backported by ONE guy on linux, and IIRC two people on windows. You're telling me AMD, with a revenue of over $35 billion for 2025, couldn't afford to hire two people to support their older hardware? Really?
plyanthony321
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Based on what I saw from Intel at CES, looks like they have a clear mindset and are planning to fill the gap nVidia is about to make by putting consumer GPU's on pause, and they support XeSS not only on their own older hardware, and it runs on other brands gpu's as well. I want that panther lake chip in a steam deck, seems perfect. Thats another AMD fluff, is in the portable space, no recent performance upgrades worth mentioning on those smaller sized APU's.
People buy Nvidia because it has more features. AMD doesn't win by not releasing features.
Intel has had a prime position for a few years now, the issue has always been their utter inability to execute.
Now we're hearing rumors the B770 has finally been canceled in favor of.....AI chips. Of course.
This is indeed incomprehensible. Since the source code has leaked, AMD now has to support FSR4 on RDNA2 and RDNA3, especially for customers who trusted them.
There is no reason to defend AMD on this point, or to try to understand why they are not doing it. They need to get moving on this.
There is no reason to defend AMD on this point, or to try to understand why they are not doing it. They need to get moving on this.
This isnt exactly new, its been months and AMD has absolutely refused to support older customers. They dont have to support us, just remember this whenever someone complains that AMD is down to a 4% marketshare. The stigma of poor support from AMD exists for a reason, this is yet another cookie to throw in the overflowing jar.
Are you even on the Internet? Nvidia gets bashed for everything they do. Tim and Steve, GN, LTT, hell, everyone praises RDNA4 and FSR4 all the time. Which just makes this screw up stand out that much more.
But when Nvidia gets praised for the one thing they aren't screwing gamers over on, features, you claim a bias. Nvidia has superior features. Period. But everyone still hates them.
This screams AMD fanboy copium far more than any kind of media bias, especially when if there's any bias out there, it's PRO-AMD when it comes to FSR4, RDNA4, and X3D.
themastergoose
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I can only go on prices domestically here in England and maybe it's not the same elsewhere, but the cost people are paying for "more features" is around £300-400 to get like for like performance. The 9070 XT is around £600 while RTX 5070 Ti has much wider swing with a handful sitting around £900 and most being actually above £1000 now.
The only feature missing if you buy Radeon is largely DLSS and it's bas***d child fake frame gen. DLSS may have the edge over FSR4 but it's absolutely not a £300-£400 value - or a 50% additional spend - to gain at best 5% extra performance and that feature set.
In this case, we know they can do it, but they don't. That's not acceptable. I'm not aware of any other examples like this.
themastergoose
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I said I wasn't defending AMD holding back wider expansion of FSR4, but it is very clear sites have a bias. Go look at any review, from almost anywhere, and the outcome is the same. They praise RDNA4's performance and price, but almost always say in their conclusion the upsell spend to get Nvidia is worth it in most cases. So as above, I will repeat:
If the cards are at or around the same price, go with Nvidia. If there's a huge price gap as there is now and performance is largely the same, then why on earth is anyone spending the extra £300-400 just to get DLSS and slightly faster RT? IMO it's still not worth it and shows the bias of sites all round because the upsell is recommended in most cases.
Lew Zealand
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LOL
It's almost as if almost/all the tech sites support good products, features, and decisions no matter what company releases them and they criticize bad products, features and decisions no matter what company releases them.
And then the fanboys from each side cherrypick the criticisms as anti- their side and the accolades as pro- the other side (or vice-versa) as needed to fit their personal narrative.
It's almost as if some people make a company (or anything/anyone with power) their identity and then need to expend all their individually useless effort publicly meatshielding that powerful entity, which could not care less that they exist.
Strange times.
If you were not around, you wouldnt remember, but this is not new from AMD.
Evergreen support was atrociously bad. Games broken, crossfire broken, ece. Then GCN came out. 3 years after GCN released, Evergreen was dropped. Not just optimization, but EVERYTHING was dropped. The drivers were left broken, and they still are broken. The Fermi cards, OTOH, received driver updates for 2 years after evergreen was abandoned, and even back in 2016, Evergreen was unusable in games like Fortnite and had substantial issues in games like GTA V, whereas the fermi worked across the board.
They also have a long history of ignoring problems and the community. Frame pacing was a chronic issue on AMD, with people complaining in forums about "smoothness". AMD insisted it was user error. Then nVidia released the FCAT tool for tracking frame time pacing, and it showed that AMD single cards had worse frame time pacing then nvidia SLI setups, let alone single nvidia cards. Within 12 hours AMD released social media posts acknowledging there were "long standing issues" with the drivers. Womp womp.
They broke 16 bit OpenGL in catalyst 13.7, meaning that retro gaming became an impossibility. They fixed it by accident in 16.4. Which didnt release for Evergreen, so if you had old cards, get bent. Never acknowledged that they broke it either. This was when I abandoned AMD laptops, after my Asus K53TA-BBR6 was left unable to play games like Dark Forces, or Doom.
Just...the entire history of the Radeon VII card.
The fury X, the "overclockers dream" was discontinued after only 6 years.
rDNA1 was abandoned after 7 years, shifted to "maintenance mode" for only critical bug fixes and security updates. rDNA2 was moved as well, despite being only 5 year sold at the time and being sold up to 3 years ago.
AMD has had to fight hard to overcome that incredible negative reputation, only to torpedo it int he last few months.
DLSS4 has been implemented in over 100 new titles. It has also been backported to the RTX 4000, 3000, and 2000 series. They average 10 years of support. The nVidia app allows you to inject DLSS4 into older games and use older DLSS in newer games when needed.
FSR4: 10. 10 games. Not backported to anything. AMD seems to think 4 years of driver updates is sufficient now. Reliant on third party open source tools for FSR injection.
That is why people sped hundreds more on the nvidia experience.
I would agree except for two things.
FSR4 implementation is still pretty limited. Arc raiders is arguably the most popular non-valve game being played right now, and it doesn't have FSR4.
With DLSS4.5 Nvidia can own the low end market. As things are now, a 5060 could use DLSS ultra-performance mode and get solid performance and near 4k image quality without even dipping into frame gen.
That said, I have tried FSR4 on my 7900xt and even at its lowest setting it still looks pretty good, but the support isn't there. AMD needs to step it up. Give people FRS4 on at least 7000 series GPUs, get it in more games, and stop ****ing around with this will they won't they BS.
That's how you know Techspot is a good review site. They've been called shills for AMD, nvidia, intel, google, apple, qualcomm, ece ece ece, and detractors of the same. If people get that emotional over your coverage, its cause you're hitting the nail on the head and upsetting some people who make brands their identity.
So your argument is that is acceptable for AMD to provide bad (short) product support to its customers because some tech sites are "biased" towards Nvidia? Amusingly the bias in this case pointing out that AMD is providing bad (short) support relative to Nvidia.
I mean your red herring argument is self defeating. Maybe take a moment and decide what you are even mad about.
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