AMD Just Made Another Radeon Mistake

[AlphaLyrae]

PSSSR ... Sony written ML upscaler working on PS. Which is modified RDNA2.

PSSR is a PS5 Pro only feature because this hardware is based on RDNA3/4, with firmware that forces shader ISA to gfx10 (RDNA1/2) for easy compatibility with base PS5. With 60 CUs and 3 shader engines, it's essentially a 7800XT without Infinity Cache or the updated render backends. ROPs are based on an older RDNA1 design that doesn't support VRS. Sony also doesn't use DirectX standard mesh shaders, rather they use AMD's primitive shaders for all geometry calls. RDNA4 features are limited to updated RT hardware, which also requires some developer coding to use the new instructions and hardware (PS5 Pro Enhanced patches).

Matrix cores are exposed only to PSSR API. A major FSR4-based PSSR 2.0 is due soon. It's supposed to launch sometime this quarter and should also be implemented in the biggest game of the year: GTA6, if it actually makes its November launch date.

 

[Beerfloat]

Lot of Stockholm syndrome among the stuck-with-AMD-because-loathe-Nvidia crowd

 

[Pastuch]

I would agree except for two things.

FSR4 implementation is still pretty limited. Arc raiders is arguably the most popular non-valve game being played right now, and it doesn't have FSR4.

With DLSS4.5 Nvidia can own the low end market. As things are now, a 5060 could use DLSS ultra-performance mode and get solid performance and near 4k image quality without even dipping into frame gen.


That said, I have tried FSR4 on my 7900xt and even at its lowest setting it still looks pretty good, but the support isn't there. AMD needs to step it up. Give people FRS4 on at least 7000 series GPUs, get it in more games, and stop ****ing around with this will they won't they BS.

Actually Arc Raiders does support FSR4:

Native In-Game Support: The game officially includes AMD FSR 3.1 and 4 support.
Driver-Level Upgrade: Users with RDNA 4 GPUs (Radeon RX 9000 series) can use the FSR 4 Upgrade feature in the AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition to override the in-game FSR 3.1 with FSR 4’s AI-powered upscaling.

Your point though is completely valid. FSR4 is in a tiny fraction of currently popular available titles. I own a 3080 and a 7900xtx and use both all the time so I'm as platform agnostic as it gets.

I desperately want to use FSR4 in Path of Exile 2. Can I? No.

Popular Games Without FSR 4 Support
Many high-profile titles that currently support competitors like NVIDIA DLSS 4 do not yet feature FSR 4:
Path of Exile 2
Baldur's Gate 3
Elden Ring (Limited by anti-cheat for modded support)
Starfield
Diablo IV
Red Dead Redemption 2
Hogwarts Legacy (Note: Some lists indicate FSR 3.1.4 support, but native FSR 4 is often missing)
Forza Horizon 5
Grand Theft Auto V (Standard PC version; only "Enhanced" editions officially support Redstone features)
Overwatch 2
Palworld
Lethal Company
Dragon Age: The Veilguard
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
Halo Infinite

 

[krezol]

This means that AMD's most loyal customers (who trust the brand even though the cards are poorly perceived) are penalized. I personally have a 6800 XT.

Next time, I'll buy the best-selling card to get longer support, and AMD won't be the winner.

I blame AMD for this situation, because we know they can do it!

5700XT - 6800XT - 7900XTX user here.
AMD, don't be surprised if after my next upgrade more of the green colour appear on my desktop.

 

[ScottSoapbox]

I never said it was acceptable, and in the opening sentence I even stated they have no business holding FSR4 back if it works in some capacity on older cards.

My view is I don't blame AMD for not putting further time/money into it for now given how negatively perceived their last two flagship cards were by most of the media. We already know the cards don't sell well, and the constant negative media coverage is a part of that. The facts are that for the 7900 XTX and 9070 XT almost everyone said at the time (and still says today) it is worth the extra spend to get RTX 4080/Super and RTX 5070 Ti respectively even tho there was no actual performance uplift - You just spend hundreds more for DLSS basically.

Funny thing is with this thread and everyone complaining that AMD isn't doing enough to support older cards... There sure is a lot of you in here complaining about it who mention you have never had, currently use, or intend to buy a Radeon GPU. The least impacted shouting the loudest?

"I can’t blame AMD for not bothering" sure sounds like acceptance to me.

I don't know where you saw negative coverage on the 9070 XT - it was universally praised. I think your confirmation bias is hurting your outlook.

You should be happy that Nvidia owners are calling for AMD to support their users better. Do you think AMD is winning people over buy throwing their own customers under the bus?

Regardless of press coverage, AMD is objectively doing a bad thing that makes people less likely to buy their products in the future. They should do it for their own profits if not loyalty to their customers. And that doesn't change with good or bad press. It is something that customers will tell other customers looking to buy AND customers will remember their own experiences when buying again.

 

[Lawdog]

Crazy I have a 6750 xt and have zero issues with games even running rDNA soooooo.... What exactly is the issue besides you not wanting to expect that yes you have to buy the newer tech to get the newer tech. This is like a car company coming out with a better engine for your car but making it a separate model (like they do) and you complaining it's not free. Y'all complain about litterly everything. This doesn't make the 6 series bad

Let’s clarify this.
Nvidia is the market leader, yet the latest version of DLSS 4 is supported on RTX 20 series cards.
AMD is the challenger. Its new FSR 4, however, is only supported on RDNA 4. This is despite the fact that RDNA 2 and RDNA 3 cards were still being sold less than a year ago, and we know that RDNA 2 and 3 are capable of supporting it — in fact, much of the development work is already essentially done.

The engine example is not comparable.

That said, I’ve always been satisfied with my graphics card so far. But AMD is really disappointing me on this point.

 

[redgarl]

By the way, I owned every last gen AMD GPUs and I have NOTHING bad to report. The 9070XT is the best GPU AMD released in a decade.

You already forgot about Frame Gen incompatibility from Nvidia Ampere to Ada.

The hypocrisy is so obvious that I lost any respect I was having for both you and Steve. It started going down hill when you guys abided by Nvidia narrative to mix RT and Raster performance because it was clearly in Nvidia advantage so they could ask for ridiculous anti-consumer pricing to justify the joke that is Ray Tracing.

 

[ioliveirafarias]

That's one of the reasons I doesnt make my friends mind about radeon gpus anymore.
The other reason is the dropped support too early on RX6000

 

[Gravitytr1]

AMD continue to do everything they possibly can to fail to score in the open goal that is consumer GPUs at the moment (and all the way into 2028 by the look of it).
Hopefully Intel, with their newly appointed head of GPUs, can continue to make inroads into NVidia's dominance because AMD seem determined to do no more than pick up the scraps behind them.

Bro, look into who owns Intel and their history in screwing the world over.

If anything, Intel is closer to the "caused all these problems" side of the spectrum than "will save us"

 

[clickbaitunboxed]

Who cares? Nvidia has been locking away features since pascel and thats just fine.....And who really cares about upscaling and frame gen.....

 

[Strawman]

I never said it was acceptable, and in the opening sentence I even stated they have no business holding FSR4 back if it works in some capacity on older cards.

My view is I don't blame AMD for not putting further time/money into it for now given how negatively perceived their last two flagship cards were by most of the media. We already know the cards don't sell well, and the constant negative media coverage is a part of that. The facts are that for the 7900 XTX and 9070 XT almost everyone said at the time (and still says today) it is worth the extra spend to get RTX 4080/Super and RTX 5070 Ti respectively even tho there was no actual performance uplift - You just spend hundreds more for DLSS basically.

Funny thing is with this thread and everyone complaining that AMD isn't doing enough to support older cards... There sure is a lot of you in here complaining about it who mention you have never had, currently use, or intend to buy a Radeon GPU. The least impacted shouting the loudest?

Problem with your argument is that the 5070ti was 70€ more expensive than the 9070xt for the majority of these cards lifetime (EU prices). It was 729 vs 799, immediate delivery for at least 4-5 months. 70€ is pocketchange when you are getting so much better support. What normal individual would go buy a 9070xt when driver support and new features will stop in 2 years just like it happened with RDNA2 and 3? That's insane

 

[LimyG]

AMD never cease to amaze.

 

[Shirley Dulcey]

Let's not forget that their APUs don't even have RDNA 4, and therefore don't support FSR 4. There are plenty of laptop users who would love to have access to the feature.

RDNA 4 was originally part of the roadmap for their APUs, but AMD chose not to do it and did an incremental upgrade to RDNA 3.5 instead. They never disclosed the reason; my guess is that they found that it did not perform well at laptop power levels and therefore wasn't worth doing. Currently, the APUs aren't scheduled to get a significant graphics upgrade until 2027.

 

[Vandhanakumar66]

Good news.