AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D vs. Intel Core i9-13900K

[Steve]

Here's an updated look at AMD's Ryzen 7 7800X3D when tested against Intel's best offering, the Core i9-13900K. Expect a head-to-head shootout in terms of gaming performance and power consumption.

Read the full article here.

https://www.techspot.com/review/2716-ryzen-7800x3d-vs-core-i9-13900k/

 

[VcoreLeone]

How do normal 7000 series perform on +7000 MHz ddr5 with new agesa Steve ?

 

[Rock Dirty]

Have you all got a religious objection to color-coding your charts by manufacturer?

I'll say like I said the last review like this I read; this is "PRESENTATION 101"-level stuff.

What gives?

 

[dirtyferret]

My yet to be released 15600k intel CPU will clean the clock of either of these CPUs in gaming benchmarks and is future proofed!...until the 16600k is released

 

[poshflamingos]

Of course, we've yet to test parts like the upcoming Core i9-14900K, so we can predict if Intel can catch and even beat AMD for gaming.

Isn't the 14900K going to be based on the same manufacturing process as the 13900K, basically just a refresh? That means the only way they could catch up with the 7800X3D is by bumping up the frequency, making the power consumption even more ridiculous than it already is.

 

[Biostud]

Isn't the 14900K going to be based on the same manufacturing process as the 13900K, basically just a refresh? That means the only way they could catch up with the 7800X3D is by bumping up the frequency, making the power consumption even more ridiculous than it already is.

Yup

 

[VcoreLeone]

Don't wanna know about 7800x3d or 13900k though, I'd rather see 13600k 7000mhz ddr5 vs 7700 7000mhz ddr5 again, I think HUB testing for r7000 non-3d was a little off in the early review.
They rated r7000 lineup higher than 13600k, contrary to a dozen other sites

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is 3.8% faster than Core i9-13900K, a summary of 16 reviews shows - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D faster than both Core i9-13900K and Core i9-13900KS 3DCenter collected performance data from 16 reviews and hundreds of tests. AMD Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs left a good impression on reviewers and the gaming community. The flagship model is hardly available at retailers, and almost...

videocardz.com

seems like the only site that rated 7700x higher than 13600k was techspot.

 

[PEnnn]

"Of course, we've yet to test parts like the upcoming Core i9-14900K,"

What do you mean "yet"...? It will be released at x point in the future, and x = infinity right now! Wake me up when it's released AND tested!!

Of course, you have then to test it against the 9900X3D ...which, um, is yet to be released at x point in the future....

 

[EdmondRC]

The PSU ratings on these GPUs are definitely to cover higher powered Intel CPUs, with the 7800X3D numbers, you could get by with a 750W PSU paired with a 4090, it never averages over 500Watts total system power. You'd still have 250 Watts of headroom when gaming. You definitely need the 850W PSU though for the Intel Chips.

 

[n3o127]

Since its AMD X3D CPU, match it to top like Intel, 13900KS. Lets see the default PBO/XMP etc.. turned on and maybe if bored off -- For good measure, use the ram (sweet spot) best for each platform (only use XMP/expo). I'm fan of seeing 4k, however, perhaps 3440x1440 instead. I'd also add, with systems like this, doing same benches with a top 7900 XTX (no RT), it can be surprising how well when its top level systems the XTX can do in raw performance vs 4090. Good review.

 

[VcoreLeone]

Will there ever be 300eur x3d skus ? As much as I admire x3d line up, they don't really compete against the 13600k, which sells for 295eur for the tray oem version. 7800x3d starts at 445eur. 150eur is a lot for me. Enough for a z790 board.

 

[DSirius]

Thank you for the updated review Steve.
Cyberpunk 2077 devs blatantly favor Nvidia and Intel hardware, and I suggest to you at least mentioning this when you include CP2077 benchmarks on Intel or Nvidia hardware.
Even in 2023, CDProject Red did not patched or optimized the game to properly run on AMD processors, while one of the last mod made by Nexus mod community brought up to 27% more FPS for Ryzen processors with 8 cores or more, especially like 78003D.

Cyberpunk 2077, die AMD-Akte: Ryzen-Prozessoren liefern zu wenig Fps - machen Sie mit beim Community-Benchmark [Update]

PCGH untersucht CP 2077 hinsichtlich der "falschen" Ryzen-Performance. Machen Sie mit beim großen Community-Benchmark!

www.pcgameshardware.de

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-cpus...ance-boost-cyberpunk-2077-unofficial-smt-fix/
But hey, CP2077 devs, somehow, still CAN NOT and DID NOT patch their bugged game to properly optimize it for Ryzen processors.
And CP2077 devs should make it a PRIORITY and OPTIMIZE for AMD hardware, considering that PS4-5, Xbox consoles and many PC users run on AMD processors.
Worth to check it.

Just that, "magically", CDPR devs COULD and DID a lot of mandatory updates which are EXCLUSIVELY for Nvidia cards.
They did it with DLSS exclusivity for a long time after CP2077 release. CP2077 devs implemented FSR only after community made mods which implemented FSR, and practically forced CDPR devs to recognize that they could implemented it sooner.
One of the latest CP2077 forced updates, brought Nvidia Path Tracing barely playing 30FPS only on a 4090 cards while breaking the game for more players than Nvidia 4090 owners. They could easily made it as an OPTIONAL MOD instead of a forced update.

 

[AdamNovagen]

Have you all got a religious objection to color-coding your charts by manufacturer?

I'll say like I said the last review like this I read; this is "PRESENTATION 101"-level stuff.

What gives?

Colorblindness is a big consideration for infographics and charts like these. The chosen colors work very well in that regard, and they translate fine for people with full color vision like me, so I don't really see the problem.

 

[Lounds]

My yet to be released 15600k intel CPU will clean the clock of either of these CPUs in gaming benchmarks and is future proofed!...until the 16600k is released

I mean this is such a whataboutism comment if I've ever seen one. Of course the 15600k will likely be faster, it will be on a smaller node but it won't be out until at least the end of next year.

 

[Lounds]

Don't wanna know about 7800x3d or 13900k though, I'd rather see 13600k 7000mhz ddr5 vs 7700 7000mhz ddr5 again, I think HUB testing for r7000 non-3d was a little off in the early review.
They rated r7000 lineup higher than 13600k, contrary to a dozen other sites

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is 3.8% faster than Core i9-13900K, a summary of 16 reviews shows - VideoCardz.com

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D faster than both Core i9-13900K and Core i9-13900KS 3DCenter collected performance data from 16 reviews and hundreds of tests. AMD Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs left a good impression on reviewers and the gaming community. The flagship model is hardly available at retailers, and almost...

videocardz.com

seems like the only site that rated 7700x higher than 13600k was techspot.

The 7700X was faster on average, I think the only argument Steve made was that the 13600k was a cheaper option due to being able to be paired with DDR4 and motherboard costs. On average the 7700X was much faster as it could automatically boost frequencies higher.

 

[VcoreLeone]

The 7700X was faster on average, I think the only argument Steve made was that the 13600k was a cheaper option due to being able to be paired with DDR4 and motherboard costs. On average the 7700X was much faster as it could automatically boost frequencies higher.

but why does it differ from +10 sites so much ? I narrowed my choice down to these two: r7 7700 and 13600kf cause of price and I'm a little puzzled, trust techspot against all or trust a dozen other sources. Just don't wanna be disappointed, 300eur is already most I've ever spent on a cpu.

 

[DSirius]

but why does it differ from +10 sites so much ? I narrowed my choice down to these two: r7 7700 and 13600kf cause of price and I'm a little puzzled, trust techspot against all or trust a dozen other sources. Just don't wanna be disappointed, 300eur is already most I've ever spent on a cpu.

Another thing to look up for is platform longevity too. Want a dead platform, buy current Intel processors. And on Intel platform, even if you theoretically could upgrade to I9 13900K or future 14900K, you will need more expensive memory and coolers because they are power hungry and more memory speed dependent.
Next year Intel will change platform again, as they are doing every 2 years.
On AMD you have at least 4 years of platform longevity.
If you can invest 120 Euro more 7800X3D is the best choice. If you go Intel you may spend almost 100 Euro more for faster memory.
If not, R7 7700 is a great choice because you have more options for future upgrades.
But if you can find some amazing discounts for Intel, you can go with them too, nowadays they offer great discounts.

 

[VcoreLeone]

I'm not going to upgrade an am5 cpu to another am5 cpu. Looking for something that'll last me +6 years w/o upgrading. Need best perf/price for now. b350 can't run 5800x3d either (at least not every one) so no guarantees every b650 will with zen5/6 x3d

 

[godrilla]

Just upgraded from 7700x to 7800X3D to complete my itx build and finally upgraded ancient sfx platinum 750 watt psu to the Seasonic Vertex 1000 watt atx 3.0 psu for a clean look usingthe new 12 pin cable for the 4090. Right off the bat I can see that I am getting similar performance but with closed system and half the power usage. The 7800X3D is hovering around 50 watts during gameplay and drops to 25 at idle. With a 4k 120 hz vsync cap in vermitide 2 I'm getting around 300 to 350 watts of total system power usage with 4090 suprim liquid with this bad boy with closed chase vs an open loud one I had before. Also ambient room temperature was 82 degrees F*. No throttling from what I observed.

 

[waclark]

The PSU ratings on these GPUs are definitely to cover higher powered Intel CPUs, with the 7800X3D numbers, you could get by with a 750W PSU paired with a 4090, it never averages over 500Watts total system power. You'd still have 250 Watts of headroom when gaming. You definitely need the 850W PSU though for the Intel Chips.

A quick check on Parts Picker rates a 7800X3D build w/4090 at 751W. Based on that I would not use a 750W PSU.

 

[Khamul]

Isn't the 14900K going to be based on the same manufacturing process as the 13900K, basically just a refresh? That means the only way they could catch up with the 7800X3D is by bumping up the frequency, making the power consumption even more ridiculous than it already is.

No. I thought RL refresh will have more e-cores? The i3 is getting 6/12.

 

[godrilla]

A quick check on Parts Picker rates a 7800X3D build w/4090 at 751W. Based on that I would not use a 750W PSU.

I've used the sfx platinum 750 watt psu by corsair with the 7700x @ 5.65 ghz all core oc and 4090 suprim liquid since launch. It works but you'll need a platinum one at a minimum.

 

[waclark]

The Ryzen 7 processor was faster overall, offering 11% more performance on average at 1080p.

But only 8% and 2% at 1440P and 4K. No one is going to game at 1080 with a 4090. The question is how would any of these numbers change if using the proper GPU for 1080? Would there be more of an advantage for the 7800 if you were using a 4070 GPU, or would the GPU become the bottleneck?

Also, your comment about 7200 DDR5 is misleading. Yes, it cost more, but there's little to no information in your article about how much more performance it delivers. CAS latency will likely have a more profound impact on performance than raw speed. I am certain you could drop that to 6400 or even 6000 DDR5 and you wouldn't see more than 1 or 2 percent difference. In fact, you might get better performance if you get better CL with lower speed sticks.

Last but not least, what's the idle power draw of the 7800 versus 13900? I've heard the AMD CPUs like to pull a lot of power when doing nothing.

 

[SoppingClam]

Imagine having this hardware and still gaming at 1080p. Been gaming at 4k for a decade in order for the GPU to do the work and adjust minor details to get the fps I want. So, really, no point in worrying about upgrading from the last couple generations apart from your GPU and NVME drive. As long as you have 32gb ram. Just buy better monitor Enjoy DLSS 3, Frame generation yada yada, hdmi 2.1, DP 1.4a -> 2.0+ for 5000 series. heck could prob still pull out my old i7-4770k @ 4.5ghz 16gb and chuck my RTX 4080 @ 3000mhz in there and get better fps and quality image than most.

Although, have upgraded over last few years 10700k -> 12700k + 2080 Ti -> 3080 12gb -> 4080 -> ddr5 @ 6000mhz .. 32" 4k 144hz hdmi 2.1 msi monitor.. but heck 1080p.. may as well play in software mode or not even buy a GPU. Spend $1000+ on just a cpu to get a few extra fps over 200 and use a heck load more whats powering 100 cores

 

[waclark]

I've used the sfx platinum 750 watt psu by corsair with the 7700x @ 5.65 ghz all core oc and 4090 suprim liquid since launch. It works but you'll need a platinum one at a minimum.

Plugging in the 7700X to my Parts Picker build, the wattage goes down to 694W. Cutting it a little too thin for my liking, but probably fine with a good PSU that can actually deliver the wattage they advertised. Platinum doesn't hurt.