AMD's 2nd-gen Ryzen is coming in April, desktop Ryzen APUs arrive February 12

By Scorpus ยท 21 replies
Jan 8, 2018
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  1. Just ahead of CES 2018, AMD has detailed a whole bunch of stuff that will be coming out this year, covering everything from 2nd-gen Ryzen processors and desktop Ryzen APUs, to new Ryzen Mobile APUs and even discrete mobile Vega GPUs.

    You’ll probably want to hear about 2nd-generation Ryzen desktop CPUs first, which AMD briefly mentioned during their event. Although we didn’t receive all the details on processor SKUs, performance improvements or pricing, but we did get a launch window: April 2018. 2nd-gen Ryzen will be built on a 12nm process using the Zen+ architecture, which includes minor optimizations to first-gen Zen. AMD did say these new chips will feature higher clock speeds and new boost technologies; both Precision Boost 2 and XFR 2. They also hinted at double digit performance gains, though they weren’t exactly specific on any claims.

    As AMD promised earlier, 2nd-gen Ryzen will be fully compatible with existing 300-series chipsets, although it will launch alongside new 400-series chipsets. All the key features of 2nd-gen Ryzen will be supported on both platforms, though the 400-series chipset will supposedly allow greater performance, lower power and some new feature additions. Most of the improvements to the 400-series chipsets involve better memory support and greater scope for overclocking, at least from what AMD has said so far.

    Further in the future, AMD said the Zen 2 architecture, designed for 7nm, is now complete and on-track for release probably next year, with Zen 3 also on track.

    That’s all we have on 2nd-gen Ryzen right now, so clearly AMD will be releasing more information closer to its April 2018 launch date.

    The product line AMD was more willing to talk about is desktop Ryzen APUs, codenamed Raven Ridge. You’ll be able to buy an AM4-compatible Ryzen processor with integrated Vega graphics as soon as February 12. In fact, two models will be available at that date: the Ryzen 5 2400G and the Ryzen 3 2200G.

    The Ryzen 3 2200G offers four CPU cores and four threads clocked at 3.5 GHz plus an 8 compute unit Vega GPU, all for $99. That is cheaper than the Ryzen 3 1200, but packs a faster CPU and integrated graphics as well

    These two APUs are pretty crazy in what they offer at a low price point. The Ryzen 5 2400G, for example, has a four core, eight thread CPU clocked at 3.6 GHz with a boost up to 3.9 GHz. It also packs a Vega GPU with 11 compute units, or 704 shader cores, with a base clock of 1240 MHz. You get all of this for just $169, which is only $5 more than the Ryzen 5 1400, yet you get higher CPU clocks out of the box and decent integrated graphics.

    The Ryzen 3 2200G is even better value. It offers four CPU cores and four threads clocked at 3.5 GHz with a boost to 3.7 GHz, plus an 8 compute unit Vega GPU, all for $99. That is cheaper than the Ryzen 3 1200, but packs a faster CPU and integrated graphics as well. It sounds pretty strange that both these APUs are cheaper than existing Ryzen CPUs while offering more performance, but that’s the situation.

    AMD has shown some performance numbers for both APUs, and the Ryzen 5 2400G in particular is – at least in their testing – as fast as an Intel Core i5-8400 paired with an Nvidia GeForce GT 1030. This makes the Ryzen 5 2400G at least $100 cheaper for the same supposed performance, if not more considering the i5-8400 is rare and still sold at inflated prices. And that’s not to mention the Ryzen 5 2400G’s lower total TDP of just 65W.

    These APUs should overclock very well, too. A demo I saw showed the Ryzen 5 2400G hitting 1750 MHz on the GPU with a standard air cooler, and when combined with fast memory, this led to a near 40% uplift in 3DMark Fire Strike performance. Of course, the Ryzen 5 2400G’s CPU is also overclockable, so you could potentially get even more out of this APU when you use the same overclocking techniques as existing Ryzen CPUs.

    On top of this, AMD has announced a new box cooler, the Wraith Prism, which features a better fin profile for compact systems, direct copper heatpipe contact with the CPU, and a ton more RGB.

    Oh, and AMD also made Ryzen CPU price cuts official. We’ve seen reduced Ryzen CPU prices at places like Amazon and Newegg for a while now, but AMD has now officially reduced the price of every Ryzen model to keep them highly competitive with Intel. If these cuts haven’t pushed through to retail just yet, they should be hopefully very soon.

    Moving on to the mobile side of things, where AMD also made a bunch of announcements, starting with the launch of Ryzen 3 APUs for mobile systems. These APUs are a continuation of what AMD brought to the table with Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 for mobile, except with lower core/thread counts and lower GPU compute unit counts.

    The Ryzen 3 2300U is a four core, four thread part clocked at 2.0 GHz with a 3.4 GHz boost, which from a CPU perspective makes it a slightly lower clocked Ryzen 5 2500U that lacks SMT. It also features a cut-down GPU, moving to six compute units from eight in the Ryzen 5 model. The lower-speced Ryzen 3 2200U rounds out AMD’s line-up, providing a two-core, four-thread CPU at 2.5 GHz boosting up to 3.4 GHz, along with a three compute unit Vega GPU, which should provide CPU and GPU performance around the same levels as Intel’s last-gen parts.

    The best aspect to Ryzen Mobile and AMD’s latest announcements is we are starting to see AMD get these APUs in laptops people might actually buy. Aside from the HP, Acer and Lenovo systems we’ve already seen, more devices from these OEMs along with the likes of Dell and Asus are in the pipeline. And we will be seeing these chips in a wide range of products: everything from mainstream notebooks to high-end ultraportables, in both 13- and 15-inch form factors. I can’t talk about some of the laptops I’ve seen so far, but it’s clear AMD is getting much better OEM traction with Ryzen Mobile than their previous-gen laptop parts, and even AMD themselves say this APU generation has brought the widest range of consumer ultrathins in the company’s history.

    The Ryzen 3 APUs officially launch on January 9th, although it may take a few weeks or months for partner models to hit the market. We should, however, be seeing more Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7 laptops in January.

    To round out AMD’s set of CES announcements, we have Vega. Now I wouldn’t be getting too excited for any desktop announcements, because the only real desktop-class product the company revealed was a 7nm Vega variant for their Radeon Instinct compute card line. Navi still seems a while away, so perhaps we’ll get more consumer Vega offerings at a later stage.

    What AMD did announce on the Vega front is Vega Mobile, a discrete GPU offering for ultrathin gaming notebooks. Again, not a whole lot of information, but we do know Vega Mobile will pack HBM2, and it will feature a 1.7mm z-height, which makes the chip itself a lot slimmer than other mobile GPU offerings, allowing OEMs to create slimmer, high-performance portable gaming systems. The desktop Vega offering, for example, features a z-height more in the 3mm range.

    No word on when Vega Mobile discrete GPUs will be available, but it doesn’t sound too far away. Again, this is something AMD will have to detail at a future date. And as a quick note, AMD also revealed that modern Radeon cards will support HDMI 2.1 with variable refresh technology, so that’s kinda neat.

    So anyway that’s basically everything AMD was ready to announce at this stage, the Ryzen desktop APUs in particular sound quite interesting, particularly for those looking at building a budget system.

    Considering performance should be in the ballpark of an Intel system with discrete GT 1030 graphics, but at a far lower overall cost, it could be a great option for those wanting to build a basic computer for some light gaming. We'll have to wait just a bit longer to hear more about 2nd-gen Ryzen, though it’s only a few months before those hit the market.

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  2. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 3,037   +1,462

    Is AMD stopping production of the 1200/1400 and replacing them with the 2200G/2400G? They are completely missing from the updated prices slide.
    EndRessentiment likes this.
  3. Steve

    Steve TechSpot Editor Posts: 2,958   +2,300

    I would assume that will be the case. Ryzen refresh will be following soon after anyway.
  4. Jyrkz

    Jyrkz TS Enthusiast Posts: 65   +45

    I love to see AMD doing GREAT things again :)
  5. ET3D

    ET3D TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,505   +236

    I'm looking forward to a Ryzen 3 2200G review here. I hope that AMD will redeem itself big time, and this will be the must-have APU that Bristol Ridge never was.
  6. pan1c

    pan1c TS Member Posts: 17   +6

    Such a contrast to the news coming out of the Intel world.
  7. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,797   +3,204

    I have to say even I'm intrigued by the announcement of CPUs with a 12nm process. Intel has been going on so long about a "tock" to 10 nm, I've fallen asleep waiting.

    Of course I imagine all this new stuff . "will only be compatible with Windows 10", which leaves me with my nose up against the glass, and my wallet firmly in my pocket.
  8. cldmstrsn

    cldmstrsn TS Addict Posts: 151   +94

    Been waiting for Zen+ to upgrade but now I might wait till Zen 2.
  9. Vulcanproject

    Vulcanproject TS Guru Posts: 428   +466

    At this end of the lithography spectrum things get fuzzy about real transistor sizes. The cost and difficulty in making a big leap is papered over by marketing these iterations of an existing process. When they say 12nm, they just mean a refinement of the existing 14nm node. Sort of like a half node, not a brand new generation process. 14nm improved.

    Whereas stating 10nm means it is a brand new process with considerable density gains brought about by a traditional generational leap. That's why Intel bang on about it.
  10. yeeeeman

    yeeeeman TS Booster Posts: 87   +83

    Even with all these things, people will be people and still buy Intel, without even looking at what AMD has.
    I really don't know what AMD needs to do to gather Intel fanboys attention, maybe drop 1950X at something like 200$. And even then, they will say that it is not a good buy since 8600K games better so, why not just buy Intel then?
    Yeah, Intel games better, but matter of the fact is that AMD processor are now at a level where you DON'T NEED MORE. They usually do over 100FPS in most of games and 144Hz monitor market is .1% of total market. So who cares that 8600K pushes 150FPS and AMD gets only 110FPS?
    But as I said, people will be people and will be reluctant to change, this is a fact.
    What AMD really needs to do is to keep executing, improve things at a faster pace and improve IPC more than 5% every generation as they usually do. This way, slowly they will gain users trust and improve their image in front of power users, which matters most.
    AMD also needs to push some money into OEMs, make them compelling offers and sell with good margins as much as they can. They should diversify their portfolio, but think twice before doing it.
    HardReset likes this.
  11. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,797   +3,204

    All of what yuou say may be true.....BUT, AMD was once prevalent in OEM desktops, particularly eMachines, which is now dead and gone, as is Gateway.

    The idea of pitching to OMEs actually runs contrary to your own train of thought. If, "uninformed consumers mindlessly buy Intel", then those even less informed consumers of pre-built units are even more likely to shun the brand due to less recognition.

    You should apply for CEO of AMD tomorrow, if not sooner, as I think they could use a forward thinker such as yourself. After all, you've apparently solved all their problems with one single post! (y)
    EndRessentiment likes this.
  12. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 10,490   +4,353

    What needs to happen is our software makers need to drop dependency on core efficiency, so software makes better use of multi-core applications.
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  13. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,797   +3,204

    Even if that were the case, IMHO, it's still going to take a lot longer than the AMD fanboys would like to imagine, for them to regain traction in the marketplace.

    Although granted, this "Meltdown" and "Spectre" nonsense no doubt factors in.
  14. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 3,037   +1,462

    As a programmer I can safely tell you that multithreading has become become the norm now (even on mobile phones) thanks to improved dev tools and documentation.
    It just takes a while to upgrade the tools and programming software for bigger projects that require years of coding. It's even harder if you need to rewrite legacy software. A huge move towards multithreading started around 2015 for pretty much the entire IT industry.

    As a side-note, the popular compilers (like GCC and Clang) are ready with AMD specific optimisations (or very close to being ready for production) and also got Spectre mitigation patches.

    On the server side I kinda pity those that had to upgrade their AWS packages or were forced to make significant changes to their workloads. My workplace didn't suffer any major performance regressions besides some SQL databases after the patches.
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  15. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,797   +3,204

    @Puiu You should have addressed your post above as a quote of Cliff's post.#12 Ya kinda lost me.

    My angle on all this is aimed at the mind of the average consumer.

    George Eastman said that, "a brand name should be meaningless, just something that sticks in the public's head". And so it is that "Kodak", is plain doggerel.. It isn't the name of a relative, a pet, a dead grandparent, another person, place or thing. It's just a brand name.

    Now we come to "Intel", which isn't made up nonsense, but rather a shortening of the word "Intelligent". John Q. Public immediately picks up on this association, and more than likely, makes the assumption that Intel makes the most intelligent devices

    The "AMD" trademark, (Advanced Micro Devices), OTOH, requires a customer do a two step interpretation of those initials, losing a bit of impact and significance in the process.

    So, when dealing with non techie types, Intel clearly has an advantage. It may in fact be just hype, but brand recognition can make or break a product over time.
  16. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 3,037   +1,462

    It was just a continuation of that topic :D I forgot that it doesn't quote both of you.
  17. This is all great. First AMD couldn't compete. Then Intel got lazy after Skylake and didn't take AMD too seriously. Then AMD pounced on them. Then they released CoffeeLake and those turned out to be awesome for a great price. Then AMD made a GPU for Intel. Now AMD is releasing new processors at breakneck speed. Exciting times indeed.
    meric likes this.
  18. Potato Judge

    Potato Judge TS Booster Posts: 141   +63

    Hopefully prices for first gen has dropped significantly by that time so I can grab one.
  19. Mugsy

    Mugsy TS Guru Posts: 501   +45

    If the target release date is April, they must already be in production. I'm wondering if the cores have been patched to resolve the Spectre/Meltdown threat? It seems doubtful.

    The chips need to be redesigned, and there isn't enough time for that and still hit their April target release date.

    That means every performance benchmark they release should have an asterisk after it. :(
  20. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 13,797   +3,204

    At this point Intel should tread carefully. After all, it has only one "asterisk", so to speak.
  21. tipstir

    tipstir TS Ambassador Posts: 2,711   +170

    Faster always mean good.. I just have to see where things goes North or South... Good reading everyone has a lot to say about the CPU, APU, GPU.. Progress means perfect or does it really?
  22. msroadkill612

    msroadkill612 TS Enthusiast Posts: 61   +16

    Those missing ryzen 4 core models were clumsy & wasteful place holders for those price points, using gimped 8 core ryzens.

    Now they have a single ccx 4 core product, in the form of the zen apu, it will be their new 4 core. May as well include a gpu as waste a ccx - similar input costs?

    The4 core 1500x remains, but its a bit odd cache wise.

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