That's so 3rd century AD Rome....I would rather feed him to some hungry Loins, swift but painful
....and he had a loaded gun on him, so it's not like this guy was innocent.
He was obviously a danger. Nobody can blame the police for what they do.
I certainly don't.
I think its very hard for any of us to understand the exact scenario really.
SO19 are well trained in firearms, and would only take a shot if they felt there life was in imminent danger. They are not known for randomly opening fire and every one of those SO19 officers know the repercussions of discharging a weapon.
With that in mind I find it very hard to believe they would have opened fire without just cause. There must have been an action by the guy to make them respond with deadly force.
For all we know that could have been brandishing the weapon, or actions suggesting he was about to release a firearm to discharge it. Its a very tough call for us to make, and an even tougher one for a firearm's officer to make.
His race played absolutely no part, and to be honest I feel like I live in a country losing its national identity because we're now too afraid to be patriotic in case we offend those of other ethnic groups. I personally find that outrageous. I am British, and I am proud to be British. If non-British people don't like our ways, our culture, and our patriotism there are other countries they can reside in.
But instead our government feel they have to play the ethnic card every 5 mins and bend over backwards for every ethnic group except British. If you want to live in our country and benefit our economy and earn your living as an equal then fair play. But if you don't like the way we do things, our culture, and our way of life, leave, don't sit there and complain they were being racially insensitive for operating our country like we have for centuries.
I'm not even going to get started on our frankly ridiculous immigration either; why can't we be like other countries and just not get involved!
Sadly, it's in all of us. Look at some of the violent thoughts of retribution littered throughout this very thread. Sure, there is a difference between thinking something and acting on it, but violence starts with a simple thought that someone takes too far. We can't sit in judgment of those folks.
This is the problem with human society as a whole. We will never have enough, and, we will never stop. It's humiliating to be a part of a society that claims to be civilized, yet can act so ugly towards each other.
Whilst I fantasize about the methods employed by Di Renjie, logically I maintain the more civic views of one Carl Sagan. I cannot help but want to hurt him after seeing him behave as he did on that video, though I aspire to the contrary.
If I were in charge of his remuneration he would be thoroughly taught to emulate something or someone much more dignified, nothing more. If he proved incapable he would be segregated from society by whatever means deemed fair, ethical, and practical. I would not punish for the sake of my own satisfaction, if I could provide the will to deny my temptation. The scales of justice are blind and foolish at best. I think practicality is more sane for an attempt at a functional society, no matter how difficult the impulse toward a retributive affair.
I think 'un-controlled/un-checked' immigration is one foolish policy to have. It not only creates problems in the local communities, but also, the cultural differences are usually hard to overcome IMO. Then there are issues of employment, and whether these newcomers do pay their due share of taxes etc. or what contribution they really make to the well being of the society.
Igneus the Bold said:
Have you seen the immigration laws employed by the U.S. and the U.K.? They are tough. I wonder how so many foreigners actually get into these countries to begin with. I know one may visit for six months but not gain employment legally, but then they have to leave for six months or so before returning for another VISIT without employment. Are they all illegally working? What gives?
Trust me, me whole lot of people in the world ready to capitalize on that fear, and make it work on their behalf. It just seems to justify any sort of behaviour. "I pulled a gun on the cop, and he shot me, so that makes the cop a racist, because everybody knows my ethnic group has to carry guns to protect us from one another. And you won't give us guns because you're prejudiced. It's not the 5 felony convictions that are holding me back from owning a gun, you're a racist.The whole thing's been a farce for our pride and national identity. I'm surprised there haven't been any big riots in the past about it; mind, we're all scared of being branded "racists".
Personally, I find the "black" thing absolute rubbish. It always comes up when a black or asian person comes in contact with the police in some way where people feel there was "special circumstances". According to the IPCC (independent police complaints commission), he had a loaded gun...which obviously isn't good if you're standing in front of armed police.
knowledge - The people committing the acts are of that skin colour/religion/ethnic group etc.prej·u·dice [prej-uh-dis] Show IPA noun, verb, -diced, -dic·ing.
noun
an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
Don't think it's unreasonable. If I was constantly attacked by Seagulls I'd have reasonably negative attitudes regarding them.unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.
My personal bugbear is when Muslims in the UK complain of prejudiced Police behaviour after terrorist attacks committed by Muslims have occurred. Personally if Scottish people were committing terrorism in the UK I'd expect to be treated with suspicion and distrust by the law. Sure it wouldn't be something I would be part off and would be an unpleasant experience but I'd rather be stopped and searched/questioned by Police than have terrorism run free, unabated.
Trust me, me whole lot of people in the world ready to capitalize on that fear, and make it work on their behalf. It just seems to justify any sort of behaviour. "I pulled a gun on the cop, and he shot me, so that makes the cop a racist, because everybody knows my ethnic group has to carry guns to protect us from one another. And you won't give us guns because you're prejudiced. It's not the 5 felony convictions that are holding me back from owning a gun, you're a racist.
Archean said:
Anyway, I think multiculturalism is a farce, you can't make people to adopt alien values (at best may be they will accept some but that is it).
Arris said:
My personal bugbear is when Muslims in the UK complain of prejudiced Police behaviour after terrorist attacks committed by Muslims have occurred. Personally if Scottish people were committing terrorism in the UK I'd expect to be treated with suspicion and distrust by the law. Sure it wouldn't be something I would be part off and would be an unpleasant experience but I'd rather be stopped and searched/questioned by Police than have terrorism run free, unabated.
Same here. I think i'm right in saying that this "racial profiling" is used most in airport security; I'm all for it and i think it's right.
Ironic, but conspiracy sometimes carries a worst penalty than the instant offense. Courts like to tack that charge on.Just watching the news and some info: Two young men (in their 20s) have been jailed for 4 years for putting an "Event" on Facebook titled "Smashdown in Norwich town". The meeting (and the possible riots that could have happened) didn't even take place, yet they still got jailed.
An MP was recently jailed for 3 months for stealing nearly £10,000 from the public purse. So somehow, 4 years for these lads seems rather unfair considering nothing actually happened...But whatever.
Just watching the news and some info: Two young men (in their 20s) have been jailed for 4 years for putting an "Event" on Facebook titled "Smashdown in Norwich town". The meeting (and the possible riots that could have happened) didn't even take place, yet they still got jailed.
An MP was recently jailed for 3 months for stealing nearly £10,000 from the public purse. So somehow, 4 years for these lads seems rather unfair considering nothing actually happened...But whatever.
Look up, "Ethnocentrism", it allegedly is not the same as"racism".Course. You can find evidence all over: San Francisco Chinatown, Little Italy, Bradford in the UK...ect. The very fact of how we talk about "Asian communities" or "Hispanic communities". People naturally always flock to their own kind. Some say that this sort of indirect racism exists deep down in all of us as a defensive mechanism to distrust outsiders, that comes way back from our early ancestors.
Look up, "Ethnocentrism", it allegedly is not the same as"racism".
I think it's a concept the sociologists pulled out of their a**es, so they didn't have to bandy the "R" word around. But what do I know.
Look up, "Ethnocentrism", it allegedly is not the same as"racism".
I think it's a concept the sociologists pulled out of their a**es, so they didn't have to bandy the "R" word around. But what do I know.
It does seem very close, indeed.
It works the same for if i did it though. If i moved to a foreign country, I would much prefer company with white atheists rather than say, black muslims or even asian atheists. This isn't because i'm racist, It's more because of what i feel comfortable with.
Obviously the line has to be drawn somewhere though; if i had a business and only sought to employ white atheists inside it, the "comfortable" argument wouldn't fall on easy ears in any court of law
If that " comfortable feeling" is racism, then all humans are racists.
And I feel sorry for you guys in England. Lucky me, I am in Slovakia. During the Comunist's regime they didn't accept any foreigners, they were pretty damn good racists, not that I remember, I wasn't even born back then