Gamers are ditching Radeon graphics cards over driver issues

max0x7ba

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I'll reiterate, an article should have been made on this topic as it's certainly an issue. I just find the poll, and the hyperbolic response it's elicited, as overly unnecessary.
You have been in denial mode and that makes your opinion worthless.

If you aren't paid for your posts by AMD then you just waste your efforts typing all of your baseless rebuttals.
 

grumblguts

Posts: 339   +288
Best way to compete against a better driver than your own is to trash talk.
This hole thing is blow out of proportion because a few owner have suffered a black screen mostly down to user error because I havent experienced any black screen or shut down.
I have suffered a pink screen 6 mths ago wile installing but that it all.
This hole thing stinks of propaganda fake news because the drivers are amazing in my book.
Not one crash nothing its all nonsense.
 

grumblguts

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How a few people can simply destroy all the hard work AMD have put into their drivers is just disgusting.
They did a poll without even using a verify tool to be sure the results are not fake.
Hell they even said themselves they dont suffer any problems same as me.
This hole thing stinks of shilling.
 

Musician

Posts: 52   +35
Not that I can ditch mine since it is integrated, but the green screen is real and I had to DDU the drivers, revert to the original. Never upgraded again.
 

yeeeeman

Posts: 322   +275
Driver issue are mostly present on the new Navi cards. These GPUs are either full of bugs that needs hacks in FW and drivers or the new architecture is too much for the software guys at AMD. Nevertheless, while being a fine GPU, you pay the price for not paying the price with crappy drivers and instability.
 

aTree

Posts: 8   +0
Sent my Nitro+ 5700xt back a couple of weeks ago. Although the black screens we're getting a little better with the newer drivers, it got to the point where I'd sit down and wonder when (not if) it would crash. That really sucks the fun out of it!!
 

Azshadi

Posts: 54   +52
How a few people can simply destroy all the hard work AMD have put into their drivers is just disgusting.
They did a poll without even using a verify tool to be sure the results are not fake.
Hell they even said themselves they dont suffer any problems same as me.
This hole thing stinks of shilling.
And that hard work AMD put it really paid off.... you don't need a website to tell you which is which just check your favorite retailer's returns for certain GPUs, you will notice that the scales tend to dip in nVidia's favor. Furthermore if you're taking decisions based on an online poll you're barking up the wrong tree. AMD needs to fix this **** and stop paying those freeloaders they have in their driver development team and get some real muscle in, otherwise if Intel decides to join in and they prove to be competitive AMD's GPUs will be 3rd tier in no time as Intel can and will spend more money on software and with a heck of a lot more success than AMD does now. At the moment AMD can't hold a torch to nVidia's out of the box experience, heck they can't even match it let alone surpass them.
 

Porkous

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I would still buy AMD if I reckon it has a good ratio on the good/vs/bad list. Why? Because I like having options, and second, because I don't follow mass media or crowds to base my reasoning. DYOR.

This article is honest, although does service the Nvidia audience, since they love this topic. It is clearly stated that a pro does not have issues, despite mingling graphic cards and different setup beds.

Right now I don't even recommend buying a graphic card; Just try the streaming services, like Geforce Now or Playstation Now
 

amghwk

Posts: 765   +543
Funny. I just "DITCHED" Nvidia after 10 years, and now happy with the 5700XT. It's the king of 1440p MAXED out at it's price, and can even play some games at 4K smoothly. Too bad many are facing difficulties with Radeons. I for once am happy with my (Sapphire Pulse) purchase. There must be other reasons for those who face problems with AMD cards. And "AMD GPU drivers suck" "meme" have long been over-abused from decades ago. Anyway, to each, his own.

Anyway, most of those who blame the AMD drivers might not be using these cards after all or even faced any issue. Just following the trends of the blame game. To fit into the flow. Otherwise they might feel left out. Afraid to be blamed as noobs.

(Awaiting with popcorn.... )
 
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Your viewing audience is an inappropriate subset (uncontrolled, skew not mappable), self-selection bias also skews results.

Even at 50k fields, the underlying collection method is flawed enough to invalidate any analyses other than preference.

That said, my RTX 2070 works great, thanks. 😂
 

grumblguts

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And that hard work AMD put it really paid off.... you don't need a website to tell you which is which just check your favorite retailer's returns for certain GPUs, you will notice that the scales tend to dip in nVidia's favor. Furthermore if you're taking decisions based on an online poll you're barking up the wrong tree. AMD needs to fix this **** and stop paying those freeloaders they have in their driver development team and get some real muscle in, otherwise if Intel decides to join in and they prove to be competitive AMD's GPUs will be 3rd tier in no time as Intel can and will spend more money on software and with a heck of a lot more success than AMD does now. At the moment AMD can't hold a torch to nVidia's out of the box experience, heck they can't even match it let alone surpass them.
nvidia drivers are garbage stop lying to yourself.
I have used them they are slow buggy and unstable.
amount of artefacts you get with the 20 series cards is a joke.
how many cards did you return
 
I don't know why everybody's ditching these cards. over on Facebook's AMD builder community there are three highly in-depth articles to where and if filliate looked at every single Radeon card and Nvidia card sold with the release of Navi, and in fact, Nvidia has had more returns than AMD.
there's another article posted on the same Facebook page that is a very in-depth guide showing you that 90% of the problems is not the drivers but it's Windows 10 and gives an in-depth instruction on how to fix the Windows 10 problem with the navi GPU
that being said, I have an AMD 5700 XT anniversary edition with the EK limited edition water block on it and never had a single problem. My daughter is running the 5709 on XT and has not had a single problem on it and my youngest daughter is running the Radeon 7 and has not had a single problem on it.
 
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Freddie159

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After extensive testing on my own setup, (RX580) I've identified the black screen intermittent issue (also includes pauses and freezes without a black screen) to be related to having a second monitor/screen connected via HDMI and having it off. As soon as the second screen is turned on, all issues disappear. You can turn the screen off again and as long as it doesn't go into low power mode, the issues won't reappear.
Try a 30 second dummy plug http://www.geeks3d.com/20091230/vga-hack-how-to-make-a-vga-dummy-plug/
 

Freddie159

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Hopefully this will make used AMD cards come down in price over the next few months as some of us still use them but not for gaming.
 
I had the black screen problem with my radeon hd 7770, it would always happen when the monitor went into sleep mode and would require a reboot. This problem was random since it didn't happen every time, but was 90% of the time.
This issue had haunted me for years and it occured in Windows 7 and 8.
A few months ago I upgraded to an Rx580 and was forced to install Windows 10 since AMD drivers for Windows 8 didn't exist.
With this combination, the black screen issue seemed to be gone, but then again, I had many times thought I fixed the problem in the past, only to see it rear its ugly head again!!!!!!
On a second system I own with Windows 8 and a HD 7770, the problem persisted.
With the Windows 10 system I started to have issues and after some research I ended up performing SFC and DISM. It seems that the OS image was damaged, most likely from all the updates that were applied.
Then I thought if Windows 10 had an image problem Windows 8 most likely does too!
So I performed SFC and DISM and sure enough, the image was broken!
After fixing the image, the black screen issue has not occured.
I can't say 100 % that this is the source of the black screen issue, but it wouldn't hurt to make sure your OS is in order. This may also explain why only some people are affected. As of today, 8 months have past without the monitor wake issue.

Hope this helps


 
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Gahl1k

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Ah, where's the guy who wanted my 5700 when I complained about such issues?

I like AMD, but I am afraid that Intel, with its 25K developers and software engineers and money buckets, is going to push them out of the GPU market.
 
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grvalderrama

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I used to run a Sapphire HD 5770 Vapor X, for almost 5 years, and now must be a year since I'm running a RX580 8GB (2nd hand), also from Sapphire, and I can't recall having ANY hardware nor driver issues. But, must say, I mostly buy 2nd hand video cards, long after it's release and perhaps that's why I don't have that kind of problems.
 
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Totee

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Misleading article.

You can have the same issues on both AMD and Nvidia. There are many things working in parallel in a PC and many drivers. You cannot guess that easy as who's at fault.
It is more likely that game developers are to blame since they are very lazy nowadays (think PUBG, etc).

I currently have Radeon 5700 XT for more than 6months now and had no issues whatsoever. I even flashed it with Anniversary BIOS last month, and it is stable as any other card.
I also had Vega64 which I sold to a friend after I've purchased 5700XT, and had no issues with it.

Even my old notebook which had Radeon 7670M worked flawlessly for years.

This is not to say that Radeon is better than Geforce or vice versa. My experience with Geforce cards was good as well.
I'm only trying to say that this thing with AMD and its drivers, is going viral on purpose and without any proof.
Asking 10 gamers, 7 of them with Geforce cards and 3 with Radeon's, will always result in a bad way for AMD's percentage. If only 1 from each group says that they have issues, it is 14% issues for Nvidia and 33% for AMD.
 
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My company used to use ATI cards for their products and we had so many issues with their drivers and customer support that never really helped us resolve them. I had been stopped using ATI on my home PCs because of the same issue so I wondered why my company was using them.

We finally switched to Nvidia a few years ago and haven't looked back since. All are old ATI cards are gathering dust in storage cabinets.
 
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Also to add, imho, is their are SOOO many different type(s) of builds out there.. the motherboard the GPU is on to the PSU that plugs into it. Some people probably use a really bad PSU that can affect the GPU possibly (I use Seasonic Focue Gold 650w for my system on a MSI 450i Gaming Plus AC that also runs my Radeon VII and no issues) and other use really good PSU to power their systems.

Just the combination of builds are endless, BUT I admit how some people use the same drivers, yet some are fine and others have issues, so really it is hard to put full blame on just the drivers itself.

Just a thought and my 2 cents.
 
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Irata

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My company used to use ATI cards for their products and we had so many issues with their drivers and customer support that never really helped us resolve them. I had been stopped using ATI on my home PCs because of the same issue so I wondered why my company was using them.

We finally switched to Nvidia a few years ago and haven't looked back since. All are old ATI cards are gathering dust in storage cabinets.
Nice - see you joined Techspot just to add your 2 cents on this issue and share your recent experience.

Quick side note: You do know that the ATI name was retired around nine years ago and it's probably been much longer since they stopped selling cards under their own name (I.e. your company would not have contacted ATI customer support but instead whatever company made the video cards or the PC. ). Since those are company PC, I would assume that those were OEM systems like Dell, HP or IBM.
 

Dsirius

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Okay, first off, whatever cards you are using, games are going to crash. Deus Ex was crashing a lot with my 1080 TI.

Second off, do you have ANY components OC? If so, try one of your config with STOCK settings.

Lastly, did you test all of this on your Asus motherboard? It could be the motherboard and you don't even know it.

As of me, went from a 1080 TI to a 5700 XT and have seen no DIFFERENCE at all. One component of your system is having an impact.

As for me, Senua Sacrifice, Metal Gear Solid V, Tekken 7, Street Fighter V, SoulCalibur 6, The Witcher 3... anyway, they work flawlessly.
Hi,
None of my components are OCed because of these drivers issues.
Prior to Crosshair VIII, I had Crosshair VII and some off those issues were also present. I pointed that DRM protection may be an external cause but even without this the main issues are from AMD Adrenaline drivers.