With AMD and Nvidia focusing on the high-end, the graphics card market remains weak with flat demand. On the upside, price inflation is a thing of the past with abundant stock at or near the MSRP.
With AMD and Nvidia focusing on the high-end, the graphics card market remains weak with flat demand. On the upside, price inflation is a thing of the past with abundant stock at or near the MSRP.
I'm perfectly happy with my 6700xt for the time being. If my 1070ti didn't die I'd probably still be running that. I will say that a 7900xt for $700 would certainly get my attention, AMD is certainly being silly with it's "performance crown" right now. The 40 series stand on a merit of the 4090 and has nothing to offer at it's current price points outside of the professional space, I say AMD has the performance crown because with even a slight price drop on the 7000 series they could steal a significant amount of market share. However, with a 4070 being priced at $750 and the 7900XT being priced at $800 nVidia may be handing sales to AMD. It really is a clown world market we're living inPrices are still ridiculous. Unfortunately, that is what we got and probably will stay with us for longer. I will still wait to the next generation with any upgrade, if I decide my current card is not enough. Hope AMD will get as competitive against nvidia as they are against intel, is a better card for my needs and they should get more market and better computing support. It still works best in Linux though.
Prices will never return to 2016 levels, there is this thing called "inflation" and short of the economy going into a 1929 style meltdown that will not be reversed.Prices are still ridiculous. Unfortunately, that is what we got and probably will stay with us for longer. I will still wait to the next generation with any upgrade, if I decide my current card is not enough. Hope AMD will get as competitive against nvidia as they are against intel, is a better card for my needs and they should get more market and better computing support. It still works best in Linux though.
The 7900xtx makes sense at $1k as a 6900xt replacement. It's suitably faster.I'm perfectly happy with my 6700xt for the time being. If my 1070ti didn't die I'd probably still be running that. I will say that a 7900xt for $700 would certainly get my attention, AMD is certainly being silly with it's "performance crown" right now. The 40 series stand on a merit of the 4090 and has nothing to offer at it's current price points outside of the professional space, I say AMD has the performance crown because with even a slight price drop on the 7000 series they could steal a significant amount of market share. However, with a 4070 being priced at $750 and the 7900XT being priced at $800 nVidia may be handing sales to AMD. It really is a clown world market we're living in
I think $850 is still too expensive but we did have the nVidia problem of keeping prices high. AMD released a product that didn't sell well so they had to drop the price. Frankly, I think these cards should be priced no higher than $500 but that's the market we are in and we have the people willing to pay scalper pricing for it. I will say that AMD and nVidia solved the scalping problem by leaving no room on the table for what people are willing to spend.Prices will never return to 2016 levels, there is this thing called "inflation" and short of the economy going into a 1929 style meltdown that will not be reversed.
The 7900xtx makes sense at $1k as a 6900xt replacement. It's suitably faster.
The 7900xt should have been $850 at launch.
It's people who don't chase the latest hardware.I think the only winner in this current gen of GPUs is EVGA.
I'm perfectly happy with my 6700xt for the time being. If my 1070ti didn't die I'd probably still be running that. I will say that a 7900xt for $700 would certainly get my attention, AMD is certainly being silly with it's "performance crown" right now. The 40 series stand on a merit of the 4090 and has nothing to offer at it's current price points outside of the professional space, I say AMD has the performance crown because with even a slight price drop on the 7000 series they could steal a significant amount of market share. However, with a 4070 being priced at $750 and the 7900XT being priced at $800 nVidia may be handing sales to AMD. It really is a clown world market we're living in
I think prices are returning to historic norms. I've brought up before the sky high prices of cards like the 8800 ultra, and the only reason tesla/fermi prices were so low was the 2008 financial collapse.I think $850 is still too expensive but we did have the nVidia problem of keeping prices high. AMD released a product that didn't sell well so they had to drop the price. Frankly, I think these cards should be priced no higher than $500 but that's the market we are in and we have the people willing to pay scalper pricing for it. I will say that AMD and nVidia solved the scalping problem by leaving no room on the table for what people are willing to spend.
I see no way that would be possible. GDDR6 and GDDR6x are far mroe expensive then GDDR5. The nearest example of the 7900xtx's memory I can find on digi key is over $20 per chip. The 7900xtx has 12. That's $240, just in memory chips alone. You also need to throw in silicon cost, PCB, assembly, manufacture, transport, and of course paying off R+D.I think nVidia over estimated how many people would pay absurd prices and now they're just being stubborn. The 7900XT is $800 not but the XTX is holding out pretty strong at $1000. A decent enough spread. the XT should be $500 MSRP to give board partners some pricing around $600 and the XTX should be priced at $650 with board partners being able to charge $700-750. If this was pre-covid I believe those are the prices we would be seeing.
Graphics card vendors will be buying modules in bulk and directly from the DRAM manufacturers, not a retailer like Digikey, though. I couldn't see any pricing for GDDR6 in large quantities, but DDR4 reduces by 25% when purchasing 500+ units. So it's fair to assume that the likes of Sapphire will be buying GDDR6 from Samsung or Micron at a far lower price than $20 per module.The nearest example of the 7900xtx's memory I can find on digi key is over $20 per chip. The 7900xtx has 12. That's $240, just in memory chips alone.
4080 Ti release will mean 4080 lowers in price as well.
I can't believe people feel good about spending this much just to play video games. Several years ago I was thinking of treating myself for audio equipment and I just couldn't justify spending in the $1k+ range just for that. I wound up spending more than that buying things piece meal before deciding I had a problem and that it wasn't worth it, and ended up stopping.
I have spent thousands on building a home gym, but that has life long benefits and is health related, plus those things last forever. But just to play video games? That's insane. The crazy thing is you actually can build a nice home gym for the price of the 4090 or less. But I'm guessing the people that buy a 4090 don't work out or have contact with the opposite gender.
No. This hasn't ever happened in any past generation. Why would anyone think it would happen now?
3080ti release, 3080 msrp unchanged
2080ti release, 2080 msrp unchanged
1080ti release, 1080 msrp unchanged
You get the picture...
It's true but they are using ai as a scapegoat to keep prices inflated, eg Nvidia dedicating 30k gpus for chatgpt. Since when did 30k gpus cause an atypical shortage to justify inflated pricing? Mining hype was on a different level of insanity imo.My personal take is this...
GPUs were gaming machines, until they were useful for crypto mining, which had Nvidia/AMD making a ton more money per chip, so they dedicated their efforts to sell as many chips as possible while that rush lasted.
Normally, that would mean going back to normal. GPUs would be back to gaming-first chips, but now there's an AI rush, and GPUs are once again well suited for the task.
So now Nvidia (primarily them for now), are dedicating most of their efforts and fab capacity at selling chips for higher margins to AI businesses and data centers. There are plenty other uses, too, which means gaming won't be a priority as long as they can make more money for the same silicon elsewhere.
Nvidia/AMD/Intel can still make money from selling gaming GPUs, so they will continue doing so, but price inflation now on new products is partly explained by the above. AMD in particular is tied to the console market with decent success, so the volume they don't necessarily have in PCs are compensated with SoCs.
On the upside, AI will require more and more horsepower, and Nvidia and others will be investing even more resources than ever before on faster chips, and that will permeate the gaming side sooner or later.
It's true but they are using ai as a scapegoat to keep prices inflated, eg Nvidia dedicating 30k gpus for chatgpt. Since when did 30k gpus cause an atypical shortage to justify inflated pricing? Mining hype was on a different level of insanity imo.
Overall, the good news is that price inflation is mostly a thing of the past.
I don't disagree with most of what you say, but, the 4080Ti can easily fit in the mix by pricing at $1400. That's $200 over the 4080 and $200 less than the 4090. Will it sell at that price point? Hard to say, I don't think so. Will the 4080 drop in price? I hope so, but I'm not holding my breath. With Nvidia pricing the 4070 at $750, it's clear they don't have a handle on the consumer side of the market.Wrong, it dropped slightly in price, especially after x90 series became a thing.
Before x80 Ti was the top card. Now it's not.
4080 Ti will be slower than both 4090 and 4090 Ti. Obviously 4080 will drop in price. How do you think 4080 Ti will fit in between 4080 and 4090 pricing if they keep their MSRP.
4080 already sells pretty bad, because for 400 dollars more, you can get 4090. 4080 is not bad, it's great (best perf/watt) but 4090 exist for almost same price. People just find 400 dollars more and buy the biggest model. Makes no difference. If 4080 was 999 dollars instead, it would sell like hotcakes as well.
MSRP means nothing post-launch anyway. Stores adjust prices. 4080 has been overpriced from day one, by around 200 dollars. Should have been 999 dollars and I bet it will be when 4080 Ti comes out with 4080 Ti right in the middle between 4080 and 4090 which means 1200-1400 dollar range.
4090 Ti will probably be 1999 dollars and sell with ease. Why? Beause many don't care what the price is, they just buy. If you have money, you look at performance only, not price. Nvidia has known this for years and years. Apple knows this as well. You need to realise that alot of people has tons of money. A few hundred dollars makes no difference in the end.