GPU Pricing Update, March 2023: Back to MSRP

[KofeViR]

I don't disagree with most of what you say, but, the 4080Ti can easily fit in the mix by pricing at $1400. That's $200 over the 4080 and $200 less than the 4090. Will it sell at that price point? Hard to say, I don't think so. Will the 4080 drop in price? I hope so, but I'm not holding my breath. With Nvidia pricing the 4070 at $750, it's clear they don't have a handle on the consumer side of the market.

4080 was the worst perf/value card in the 4000 series so far, 1199 dollars is simply too much when 4090 is 1599.

However the cheaper 4080s have hit ~1000 dollars several times now.

7900XTX also had better value than 7900XT on release, now 7900XT is cheaper than MSRP by 100-150 dollars.

The only reason why both Nvidia and AMD priced 4080 and 7900XT so close, was to get people to consider to flagship instead + Sell the remaining high-end cards from last generation, without giving them away for free.

4070 Ti = 699 dollars
4080 = 999 dollars
4080 Ti = 1299 dollars
4090 = 1599 dollars
4090 Ti = 1999 dollars

7900 XT = 699 dollars
7900 XTX = 899 dollars

Would be optimal. AMD and Nvidia can hire me if they need more help.

 

[daftshadow]

I'm not sure where they are getting the prices for new rtx 3080s but they're still nowhere near msrp. They're currently going for close to $1k. The cheapest new 3080 I've seen was on Amazon for $899. Add tax to this and your close to a grand. Prices are still ridiculous. Don't even get started on the 4000s.

 

[Avro Arrow]

At this point, MSRP is irrelevant because there's MSRP and then there's the price that they should be selling the cards for.

That people are paying through the nose for last-gen nVidia is also just mind-boggling (with two exceptions). The ONLY last-gen GeForce cards that I would ever recommend to people are the RTX 3090 and RTX 3090 Ti. The reason is that they have the same performance as the RTX 4070 Ti but have 24GB of VRAM instead of the 4070 Ti's laughable 12GB.

The RTX 3090 will long out-live the RTX 4070 Ti.

 

[Julnor]

I'm not sure where they are getting the prices for new rtx 3080s but they're still nowhere near msrp. They're currently going for close to $1k. The cheapest new 3080 I've seen was on Amazon for $899. Add tax to this and your close to a grand. Prices are still ridiculous. Don't even get started on the 4000s.

I also don't see these prices anywhere. The AMD prices did drop but not this much. Nvidia is still at a premium to MSRP but is just closer. There are reference boards available sometimes but even those usually seem to have a small markup. And there's also tax on top of that, tax is pretty significant when you get into these price ranges.

 

[waclark]

4080 was the worst perf/value card in the 4000 series so far, 1199 dollars is simply too much when 4090 is 1599.

However the cheaper 4080s have hit ~1000 dollars several times now.

7900XTX also had better value than 7900XT on release, now 7900XT is cheaper than MSRP by 100-150 dollars.

The only reason why both Nvidia and AMD priced 4080 and 7900XT so close, was to get people to consider to flagship instead + Sell the remaining high-end cards from last generation, without giving them away for free.

4070 Ti = 699 dollars
4080 = 999 dollars
4080 Ti = 1299 dollars
4090 = 1599 dollars
4090 Ti = 1999 dollars

7900 XT = 699 dollars
7900 XTX = 899 dollars

Would be optimal. AMD and Nvidia can hire me if they need more help.

Those prices would be better, but still, paying $1000 for a 4080 is up there. Even $900 for the XTX is high. I guess I don't know what's reasonable any more. Is it reasonable to expect better performance at the same price point, year after year? Maybe small gains, say 5-15%, but if you're expecting 30-50% better performance at last year's price, I think that is a fool's game.

I also think we are at a point where we could make faster GPUs but the hardware and power are going to be a problem. I think that's why the XTX is what it is. They could pump more power into that card and get a little more performance. AMD might even be able to design a card that would compete directly with the 4090, but it too would be a power hog.

Something has to give. I don't think people want to be putting 1500-2000W PSUs into their gaming rigs and then having to cool and pay for electricity for the computer.

 

[KofeViR]

Those prices would be better, but still, paying $1000 for a 4080 is up there. Even $900 for the XTX is high. I guess I don't know what's reasonable any more. Is it reasonable to expect better performance at the same price point, year after year? Maybe small gains, say 5-15%, but if you're expecting 30-50% better performance at last year's price, I think that is a fool's game.

I also think we are at a point where we could make faster GPUs but the hardware and power are going to be a problem. I think that's why the XTX is what it is. They could pump more power into that card and get a little more performance. AMD might even be able to design a card that would compete directly with the 4090, but it too would be a power hog.

Something has to give. I don't think people want to be putting 1500-2000W PSUs into their gaming rigs and then having to cool and pay for electricity for the computer.

No you are right. I don't want more than 300-350 watts GPU. The 4080 is actually very efficient, competes directly with 7900XTX in raster, wins in ray tracing and features, and only uses around 300 watts in gaming. 7900XTX uses 50-60 watts more and the 4080 even uses GDDR6X which probably uses a good deal more power than the GDDR6 found on the 7900 series. And this is kind of strange since AMD claimed MCM would be very efficient...?

We have come to a point where going smaller and smaller now begin to cost ALOT. Prices are high because proces is expensive. TSMC 4-5nm is not exactly cheap. It might change when Apple leaves the nodes. A17 / iPhone 15 series will be 3nm TSMC.

I hope Intel 20A and 18A won't get delayed. Then TSMC will get way more competition and Intel will begin to make chips for others as well.

 

[waclark]

I can't believe people feel good about spending this much just to play video games. Several years ago I was thinking of treating myself for audio equipment and I just couldn't justify spending in the $1k+ range just for that. I wound up spending more than that buying things piece meal before deciding I had a problem and that it wasn't worth it, and ended up stopping.

I have spent thousands on building a home gym, but that has life long benefits and is health related, plus those things last forever. But just to play video games? That's insane. The crazy thing is you actually can build a nice home gym for the price of the 4090 or less. But I'm guessing the people that buy a 4090 don't work out or have contact with the opposite gender.

To be fair, you can find a ton of used gym equipment because people buy it and never use it, or use it for a month and then stop using it. Most people use their video cards a lot, more than most people use their home gym.