Intel increases production of Coffee Lake while Ryzen gets cheaper

[funkydmunky]

Any news on when they'll release the cheaper mobos? Before or after Zen+ launches?

Who is they? And if AMD/Intel neither make mainstream mobos. Generally all third party.
So what are you asking?

 

[funkydmunky]

The price drop for Ryzen was inevitable and expected. Not because they suck; they're okay for the price. They just couldn't live up to the hype created by the gushing praise and "Intel Killer" articles/blogs/posts which followed it's release. Ryzen fans and tech sites may have done AMD a disservice by going overboard with their enthusiasm, resulting in disappointment and buyers remorse for many. It's sad to read some of their posts now, they don't understand why Ryzen isn't quite as good as they were led to believe. Some of them still insist that it is better than any Intel chip, because they can't admit they were fooled. Now it's becoming like Bulldozer; die-hard fans grimly hanging on, and sensible builders using Ryzen to hit a price point to fit a budget, while those who can afford to buy Intel. Zen+ will be the same drama again, with the same result.

The price drop for Ryzen was inevitable and expected. Not because they suck; they're okay for the price. They just couldn't live up to the hype created by the gushing praise and "Intel Killer" articles/blogs/posts which followed it's release. Ryzen fans and tech sites may have done AMD a disservice by going overboard with their enthusiasm, resulting in disappointment and buyers remorse for many. It's sad to read some of their posts now, they don't understand why Ryzen isn't quite as good as they were led to believe. Some of them still insist that it is better than any Intel chip, because they can't admit they were fooled. Now it's becoming like Bulldozer; die-hard fans grimly hanging on, and sensible builders using Ryzen to hit a price point to fit a budget, while those who can afford to buy Intel. Zen+ will be the same drama again, with the same result.

But it IS/WAS an Intel killer in certain market segments. Still is. Now with a lower price point to stay competitive in the ever evolving market. Who was fooled?
And by the way I am not fooled by your hard core trolling, but I thought a reply was required do to the level of shoveling required.

 

[Evernessince]

There is a strange mix with Microsoft. I have upgraded to SSD from spinning HDD doing a mirror, no problem. But when the SSD failed they absolutely refused to let me install my old license on a new drive. No, M$ said "New Drive, new license". So I'm not sure what would happen with a motherboard change as they told me the license is tied to the hardware.

Just a heads up, there are $10 windows 10 keys on eBay if they should ever completely refuse. Never once had one issue with any keys I've bought from there. Most of these cheap keys come from sellers from 3rd world countries who get a huge discount on them. Can't say I really care how much money Microsoft gets, the regular price of their software is ridiculous and they are a terrible company.

 

[Strawman]

They just couldn't live up to the hype created by the gushing praise and "Intel Killer" articles/blogs/posts which followed it's release.

Ryzen launched against Kaby lake, not against Coffee lake. And damn, it actually was a massacre. Especially in the mid range, where the poor 4c/4t i5's went against the R5 1600. Whether you are talking about productivity or gaming, there is no contest. Especially in games, things are going really tough and it only gets worse in the future. You are already seeing glimpses of it with the AC origins and BF1 multiplayer. They are not even in the same ballpark.

 

[Askate]

I have actually tried that and they said to me that of I have changed motherboard and I don't have Windows 7 key then they can't help me.

I had lost my Windows 8 key and had upgraded to 10, but luckily had bought my license from the Microsoft store so they just checked my purchase and I was good to go. That was after a complete system overhaul and new mobo. Very helpful customer service if I may add.

 

[enemys]

One thing which we need to consider is - regardless of whether you go for the Intel chip or the Ryzen chip, it means getting a new motherboard. Which means that anyone who upgraded to Windows 10 will need to buy a new Windows 10 license. The Windows 10 upgrade allows you to do a clean install of Windows 10 but not if the motherboard changes. So the real winner here is Microsoft

Yeah, that's just a plain lie - I recently swapped my Z170 board for a new Z370 one and the license is still here. You might need a (possibly phone-assisted) reactivation, but that's all. You might have a problem if you lost your license key - but hey, it's your fault, not theirs.

 

[hahahanoobs]

I'm still gonna wait for Intel.
AMD is in the race, but they won't win with Ryzen. I've said why numerous times before.

 

[captaincranky]

Your windows key binds to your windows account. You can move from motherboard to motherboard without too much issue. If ijt didn't I'm sure people would rather pirate, because frankly not being able to use a product you paid for doesn't make you want to buy from the same shitty company again.

The only Windows licenses you can't replace the board with, are those issued with pre-built computers. (AFAIK). It's sort of a wink, wink, nudge nudge process with store bought over the counter OEM licenses.

(Theoretically, you can't give a customer an OEM Windows disc, it has to be imaged, then the end user is supplied with "restore discs", or an ISO of the image which can be burned. That's in the EULA).

This was a huge issue with eMachines of years past. They had crappy liquid filed capacitors which were forever failing, and took out the Windows license with them. Their 250 watt Bestec PSUs used to crap out, and take the board with them as well..

I destroyed an Intel 965 board doing a BIOS update, (yes, I'm still ashamed of myself a decade later, if you were wondering), stuffed another board in the machine and reactivated Windows without issue, nor phone call.

Of course that's when the newly minted "Saint Bill Gates" was still running the place. With the a**hole they have there now in charge, only god knows what would happen,

 

[Jroc187]

One thing which we need to consider is - regardless of whether you go for the Intel chip or the Ryzen chip, it means getting a new motherboard. Which means that anyone who upgraded to Windows 10 will need to buy a new Windows 10 license. The Windows 10 upgrade allows you to do a clean install of Windows 10 but not if the motherboard changes. So the real winner here is Microsoft

The Windows 10 upgrade allows you to do a clean install of Windows 10 but not if the motherboard changes? Well that is not true at all. Pleas stop spreading miss misinformation. You can change the motherboard as many times as you want. All you do is tie the windows license to your windows account, then log in after the motherboard swap. I did this 3 times now with no issues. Goggle it

 

[andy06shake]

So what the deal with these new Ryzen Zen+ CPU, do you need a new Motherboard, because I was lead to believe that AMD next iteration of Ryzen would be compatible with all the X370 chipsets?

 

[TheBigT42]

Oddly enough, I don't know anyone who's unhappy with the Ryzen chips or experiencing buyer's remorse. Entire crews and studios have jumped ship in the CGI world, for example, simply for the extra cores and bang for the buck. In rendering, AMD is doing absolutely wonderful.

I believe those are the kind of scenarios where the cores of AMD shine, it's for the home gamer where AMD has fallen a little (not a lot) flat.

Most people don't realize (Don't do the research) gaming does not need a lot of cores / threads. For gaming you need 4 Cores (Cores not threads). If all you want is gaming spend the rest on a great GPU.

 

[GreenNova343]

So what the deal with these new Ryzen Zen+ CPU, do you need a new Motherboard, because I was lead to believe that AMD next iteration of Ryzen would be compatible with all the X370 chipsets?

Don't think so. Aside from AMD's numerous statements that the next Zen CPUs (Zen+/Zen 2, probably even through Zen 3) will use the Socket AM4 platform, Asus just posted a new BIOS update for their Ryzen motherboards that seems to point to new CPUs coming just around the corner (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/new-amd-processors-asus-bios,35969.html)...

 

[Puiu]

Who is they? And if AMD/Intel neither make mainstream mobos. Generally all third party.
So what are you asking?

Are you confusing what third party manufacturers make with the stuff AMD and Intel build themselves? It's not the manufacturers that build new chipsets and sockets, they just follow guidelines and spec sheets given to them by AMD/Intel. They are even given prototype boards by Intel/AMD.
The release dates are mostly tied to Intel/AMD so my question is referring to "Intel" when I say "they". It's pretty obvious.

 

[Strawman]

Most people don't realize (Don't do the research) gaming does not need a lot of cores / threads. For gaming you need 4 Cores (Cores not threads). If all you want is gaming spend the rest on a great GPU.

Actually, it's the exact opposite. People don't realize gaming requires cores. 4 cores ain't cutting it for locked 60 fps gaming in every title. Try bf1 64mp / acorigins / crysis 3 / watchdogs 2 or pretty much any game on a modern engine and come back to discuss about those 4 cores you were talking about.

 

[Capaill]

The Windows 10 upgrade allows you to do a clean install of Windows 10 but not if the motherboard changes? Well that is not true at all. Pleas stop spreading miss misinformation. You can change the motherboard as many times as you want. All you do is tie the windows license to your windows account, then log in after the motherboard swap. I did this 3 times now with no issues. Goggle it

I did Google it before posting that. I wish websites would clearly state the date of when articles are written. The ability to tie your license to your MS account was only added in the Windows 10 Anniversary Update. From doing further checking online, articles up to mid 2016 state that anyone who upgraded to Windows 10 would need to buy a new license if they changed their motherboard. I guess I have an MS account to create!

 

[senketsu]

I don't have a Microsoft account. I don't want a MS account, but to save $200 I'll have a MS account. Bastardi all