Look at all of the Radeon VII benchmarks available now

[Sausagemeat]

We are not saying that RTX will never be great, but it is far from ready.

You talk about getting excited for RTX on a yet to be released game that will require a $1300 gpu to run it at 1080p right after you mention competitive gamers and what they want.

What competitive gamer will sacrifice half their fps to see neat reflections in the water??

Again, 5-7 years from now, it will be great. Right now, it is just a gimmick. Gamers will much rather have the higher bandwidth right now.

As a gamer I would definitely rather have ray tracing than a higher spec in an area that is already overspecced for today’s titles. And I think most other people would too. By the time you need more than 8GB of VRAM these cards will be outdated. At least we can enjoy some of the RTX benefits on first few years of owning the dam thing.

So no, gamers would definitely not rather have higher bandwidth than ray tracing. And if you think I’m wrong, watch nobody buy the Radeon 7. Because I can’t see it selling, not without a significant price cut.

 

[Nightfire]

So no, gamers would definitely not rather have higher bandwidth than ray tracing. And if you think I’m wrong, watch nobody buy the Radeon 7. Because I can’t see it selling, not without a significant price cut.

That's funny since more gamers seem to want the 1080ti over the pos 2080 and those cards have about the same bandwidth.

 

[krizby]

That's funny since more gamers seem to want the 1080ti over the pos 2080 and those cards have about the same bandwidth.

Funny I bought the 1080 TI in March 2017 for 700$, now 23 months later (probably more if this is a paper launch) AMD releases another card with the same performance, same features set, same price at slightly higher power consumption. This doesn't sound like progress does it. Everyone had hope that AMD had done something to the aging GCN arch rather than copy and paste it onto 7nm.

 

[Maxiking]

Oh come on, AMD associates, you make jokes of Intel because the Ryzen "offers" the same performance/yeah in CB/ whilst using half the power and due to that calling Intel not relevant anymore.

At the same time, you ignore this archaic abomination which will consume significantly more power while offering no additional features.

LoL, it will be so fun watching amd associates soon , in cpu discussions power consumption will be the most important thing, in gpu discussions it won't be relevant anymore

So yeah, as AdoredTV would have said.

AMD rekt, Nvidia on older process, yet having lower power consumption, offering more performance. The Nvidia master plan IS WORKING! No future for AMD gpus. The truth has been spoken!

 

[Nightfire]

AMD rekt, Nvidia on older process, yet having lower power consumption, offering more performance. The Nvidia master plan IS WORKING! No future for AMD gpus. The truth has been spoken!

You seem stable.

 

[Nightfire]

Funny I bought the 1080 TI in March 2017 for 700$, now 23 months later (probably more if this is a paper launch) AMD releases another card with the same performance, same features set, same price at slightly higher power consumption. This doesn't sound like progress does it. Everyone had hope that AMD had done something to the aging GCN arch rather than copy and paste it onto 7nm.

I won't take anything away from the 1080ti, it was a great card. Neither the 2080 or Ryzen VII offers a lot over the 1080ti for the same price. The RTX lineup, however, is getting a bad rap for the reliability issues.

 

[m3tavision]

It’s still a feature that the Radeon 7 doesn’t have. A feature that is actually being implemented in a small number of titles over the next year. If the price and performance of the two cards is the same then these things set them apart. And can you show me any titles that the Radeon 7 will ray trace in over the next year? Right now the idea of a Radeon 7 doing so is nothing but a possibility but RTX is actually a thing and confirmed for some games. In other words right now and for the foreseeable future Nvidia cards can ray trace and AMD cards can’t.

And actually, you are quite wrong, many of us enthusiasts in the tech community love seeing things like real time ray tracing come to 3D gaming. If both cards are the same but one card gives you actual ray tracing in games then that is definitely a better buy. Only fanboys would claim otherwise.

What are you talking about?

Did you watch any of Dr Su's Key Note speech..? Or even noticed who introduced her and the People (within the gaming industry) who met up with her on stage..?
AMD= Gaming in all markets.
Secondly, DXR works on async and it seems you a suggesting that Vega64, let-alone Radeon 7 won't be able to use MS's DXR..? AMD has supported async compute for many generations, but even the mighty GTX1080ti doesn't. Nvidia knew this and knew Microsoft was releasing their DXR stuff in 2019, so they needed a quick async gpu before they drop to 7nm in late 2019.

In other words, Microsoft DXR is the industry standard, not Nvidias RTX.

RTX is only nvidia's marketing name for their proprietary (non-standard) ray tracing. Most game companies (hint: XBOX/PlayStation) will simply use DXR instead of RTX because they do the exact same thing, except one is not proprietary.


I look forward to seeing a benchmark of the AMD Radeon VII (Seven) vs RTX 2080 in DX12's DXR @ 4k resolution. (Perhaps Battlefield V ?).

Nobody in gaming cares about DLSS, or RTX... just Microsoft DirectX 12's DXR.

 

[Theinsanegamer]

30% increase in performance isnt bad, but definitely not at $800. You can buy a vega 64 for $400 normally, or $500 if you dont want to wait.

Sad to see AMD pulling an nvidia and jacking up the price faster then the performance. Much like Turing, radeon VII's performance is only decent if money is no object, the fact this small boost cost so much is insulting. I'll just stick to my vega 64 until either nvidia or AMD pull their heads out of their figurative anuses.

This also doesnt look good for AMD, they are barely competitive now with turing. When turing gets the 7NM treatment, AMD will once again be relegated to the failure bin.

 

[Mr Majestyk]

Given how poor AMD drivers are at release, this looks to have very good potential. Give it 6 months and I expect to see some noticeable improvements in performance. Also a much better card for those that don't just game. Price is high, and maybe they should have released an 8GB version as well.

 

[toooooot]

I have a question. It is about a video card. Not radeon 7 but 980gtx. I need someones opinion because I cant find info online. The problem is I noted dark(burned spots) on the outer side of GPU where memory chips are soldered. Chips are inside, burned spots visible outside.

It is the board on which all the components are soldered that has these burned spots. So any idea if this is something that indicates my card is gonna die or I should do maintenance on it?

It works perfect btw and temps within normal. But does anyone have experience and know if this is the time to do somethign about it?

 

[Theinsanegamer]

Given how poor AMD drivers are at release, this looks to have very good potential. Give it 6 months and I expect to see some noticeable improvements in performance. Also a much better card for those that don't just game. Price is high, and maybe they should have released an 8GB version as well.

AMD's drivers are not super poor anymore. They have had over half a decade to optimize for GCN. Polaris and Vega didnt see massive boosts to performance like pitcarn did. The arch is tapped out. There isnt much left to give that AMD hasnt exploited yet. Their single threaded DX11 scheduler is the only thing holding them back, regardless of GPU, and that will never be fixed.

I have a question. It is about a video card. Not radeon 7 but 980gtx. I need someones opinion because I cant find info online. The problem is I noted dark(burned spots) on the outer side of GPU where memory chips are soldered. Chips are inside, burned spots visible outside.

It is the board on which all the components are soldered that has these burned spots. So any idea if this is something that indicates my card is gonna die or I should do maintenance on it?

It works perfect btw and temps within normal. But does anyone have experience and know if this is the time to do somethign about it?

You should be posting in the forums, not on an article that has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

 

[krizby]

What are you talking about?
Did you watch any of Dr Su's Key Note speech..? Or even noticed who introduced her and the People (within the gaming industry) who met up with her on stage..?
AMD= Gaming in all markets.
Secondly, DXR works on async and it seems you a suggesting that Vega64, let-alone Radeon 7 won't be able to use MS's DXR..? AMD has supported async compute for many generations, but even the mighty GTX1080ti doesn't. Nvidia knew this and knew Microsoft was releasing their DXR stuff in 2019, so they needed a quick async gpu before they drop to 7nm in late 2019.
In other words, Microsoft DXR is the industry standard, not Nvidias RTX.
RTX is only nvidia's marketing name for their proprietary (non-standard) ray tracing. Most game companies (hint: XBOX/PlayStation) will simply use DXR instead of RTX because they do the exact same thing, except one is not proprietary.
I look forward to seeing a benchmark of the AMD Radeon VII (Seven) vs RTX 2080 in DX12's DXR @ 4k resolution. (Perhaps Battlefield V ?).
Nobody in gaming cares about DLSS, or RTX... just Microsoft DirectX 12's DXR.

There are people benchmarking Titan V vs Titan RTX in BF5 with raytracing, result is that Titan RTX is around 44% faster with Ray Tracing, who knows those RT cores must be doing something . Although Titan RTX is already 20% faster than Titan V in non Ray Tracing workload to begin with. This bring the question that Radeon VII may be able to activate RayTracing also.

https://www.techradar.com/news/last...frame-rates-with-ray-tracing-in-battlefield-v

 

[matrixglitch]

Lets not forget that both the Xbox and PS4 are AMD based.

 

[m3tavision]

Some people might think they understand the Gaming Industry, or what is coming, while other just are led around by marketing. Any AAA studio will develop for Microsoft's Xbox -and/or- Sony's PlayStation...

Both of which^, use AMD's chiplet/APU design & uArch. As you have heard, that Microsoft has been working hard with AMD in Development for the future of gaming. Thus.. hence DXR as well. Also hinted at by Dr Su herself in an after speech.


Sadly, all the people giddy about Nvidia's RTX work in Battlefield, don't see it for the gimmick it is. When in fact, most the time the RTX series will be using Microsoft's Direct X Raytracing (DXR). And DXR can by any GPU, (as long as they have async compute). Here is Nvidia's RTX using Microsoft's DxR for reference: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/directx/tag/dxr/ )

Ray tracing isn't that big of deal until DX12 takes over fully in the game market. Radeon 7 and RTX will both be able to handle the remedial implamentation of DXR, that are first introduced with these newer games.

Microsoft Ray Tracing: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/directx/2018/03/19/announcing-microsoft-directx-raytracing/