No, Intel wasn't granted a patent for AMD Zen architecture

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Again, core difference is normal on desktop/mobile parts. Different architechture is not. AMD tried to fool customers into thinking they bought something better than they actually did. And they did this numerous times, with all the mobile Ryzen chips.
AMD 5800U has 8 cores. AMD 5800X has 8 cores.There goes your "normal" 🤦‍♂️

Once again, when Intel tricks customers it's OK, when AMD does something similar it's not. Trolling again.
You are clueless, Nvidia went with Samsung because they knew that TSMC could not deliver, because too many customers for their 7nm already. This is the reason why AMD struggled with delivery of CPUs, GPUs and APUs for a long time and still does to some degree.

Meanwhile Nvidia sold tons of Ampere GPUs. Ampere outsold RDNA2 with ease. RDNA2 is barely present on Steam HW Survey 1½ years after release 🤣 Nvidia sold millions and millions of chips while AMD was waiting for the next RNDA2 shipment from TSMC 🤣
And now Nvidia "knows" TSMC can deliver 5nm 🤦‍♂️ Nvidia wanted to go cheap, simple as that.

Steam survey does not say anything about sales. That has been proven countless times.
Nvidia could easily afford 7nm TSMC :joy: Nvidia has more capital than AMD. They simply were smarter and saw the huge bottleneck long before AMD did.
And now Nvidia "sees" there will be no shortage of 5nm? Again, you're talking BS again. Nvidia had huge supply problems with 8nm Ampere cards. They didn't actually see anything. They just wanted to get cheap.
Intel loses marketshare fast? :joy: They lost like 5% in 5 years and still dominates the enterprise market completely. 9 out of 10 companies won't even consider using AMD products, because of bad experience/rep/support in the past. Also because of software incompatibility.

Just like Nvidia dominates AMD completely in the enterprise GPU segment.
That's pretty fast yes. Considering how much Intel has lost market share before.

Companies are simply stupid not to buy better product. Luckily, there seems to be more intelligent people taking place of stupid ones.

Same about GPU's. No matter what Nvidia has to offer, some people still buy Nvidia, no matter what.
AMD have lower power consumption because Zen uses much lower clockspeeds and hits a clockspeed wall and this is also why performance is lower than Intels chips too. Tons of games and programs prefer less cores with higher speed. Even newer ones.

AMD needs the best node to be able to compete, because they use inferior architecture. Going with Samsung won't help AMD at all, because of inferior arch the performance will be even worse.
AMD has lower power consumption because AMD's architecture is superior on that area. Servers don't care about clock speed, servers care about overall performance. Something Intel does not have.

Again, you didn't answer my question: what Intel has against Epyc 7742? "Inferior architecture" that beats Intel hands down where it matters most *nerd*🤔

But yeah, I got it. Whenever Intel has lead on something, it's all that matters.
AMD needed 7nm to beat Intel 14nm.
AMD needed 7nm TSMC to beat 8nm Ampere (which is closer to 10nm).

Sad but true :joy:
AMD didn't need 7nm to beat Intel 14nm on servers. It just made AMD's lead larger. Even "12nm Epyc 7742" would be better than anything Intel offers now.

Nice to see you finally admitted AMD beat Ampere.
 

Usukosej

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AMD 5800U has 8 cores. AMD 5800X has 8 cores.There goes your "normal" 🤦‍♂️

Once again, when Intel tricks customers it's OK, when AMD does something similar it's not. Trolling again.

And now Nvidia "knows" TSMC can deliver 5nm 🤦‍♂️ Nvidia wanted to go cheap, simple as that.

Steam survey does not say anything about sales. That has been proven countless times.

And now Nvidia "sees" there will be no shortage of 5nm? Again, you're talking BS again. Nvidia had huge supply problems with 8nm Ampere cards. They didn't actually see anything. They just wanted to get cheap.

That's pretty fast yes. Considering how much Intel has lost market share before.

Companies are simply stupid not to buy better product. Luckily, there seems to be more intelligent people taking place of stupid ones.

Same about GPU's. No matter what Nvidia has to offer, some people still buy Nvidia, no matter what.

AMD has lower power consumption because AMD's architecture is superior on that area. Servers d:joy::joy:on't care about clock speed, servers care about overall performance. Something Intel does not have.

Again, you didn't answer my question: what Intel has against Epyc 7742? "Inferior architecture" that beats Intel hands down where it matters most *nerd*🤔

But yeah, I got it. Whenever Intel has lead on something, it's all that matters.

AMD didn't need 7nm to beat Intel 14nm on servers. It just made AMD's lead larger. Even "12nm Epyc 7742" would be better than anything Intel offers now.

Nice to see you finally admitted AMD beat Ampere.

AMDs mobile 5900 series have 8 cores too, unlike their desktop parts so what is your point :joy:

Steam HW Survey tells what gamers are using, and they are using Nvidia over AMD 9 out of 10 times ;)

AMD gained alot of CPU marketshare in the last 4 years on Steam HW Survey, this can be trusted ... but GPU can't :joy::joy: Joker... Last two quarters Intel gained CPU marketshare back tho, because Alder Lake slams Zen 3 in both performance and value.

Nvidia went with Samsung for availablity, which is why they outsold AMD with ease. Ampere is better for mining AND gaming.

Why are you mentioning server market all the time, Intel owns that market. Just like they own the mobile market. Two of the most important markets in terms of money. Desktop market is a standing joke compared to these, yet AMD reaps 60% of their income from desktop market right now. But this will change soon, now that Intel has superior products here too, just look at TechSpots recent top 5 CPU article, Intel wins 4 out of 5 only chip from AMD mentioned is Threadripper, pretty much whole AMD Desktop lineup was destroyed with Alder Lake, AMD lowered prices 50% pretty much on all chips compared to MSRP and still they have worse performance/value than Alder Lake :joy::joy:

AMD beat nothing, Ampere outsold RNDA2 with ease and fastest gaming GPU in the world is 3090 Ti, however even 3080 Ti beats 6900XT, hell even 3080 10/12GB does it in many games at 4K/UHD... GDDR6X and much higher bandwidth is the reason ... AMD cheaped out and used 256 bit and GDDR6 memory for high end meaning low bandwidth and bad high res gaming perf 🤣 AMD also has terrible RT perf. People are not buying a 1000 dollars GPU to play at 1080p with no RT 🤣

Again, AMD had a good run this time, now we are back to normal. Intel and Nvidia domination like usual. Some bad years incoming for AMD fanboys :joy:
 
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AMDs mobile 5900 series have 8 cores too, unlike their desktop parts so what is your point :joy:
Point is that desktop and mobile aree different categories and so numbering scheme may also be different.
Steam HW Survey tells what gamers are using, and they are using Nvidia over AMD 9 out of 10 times ;)


AMD gained alot of CPU marketshare in the last 4 years on Steam HW Survey, this can be trusted ... but GPU can't :joy::joy: Joker... Last two quarters Intel gained CPU marketshare back tho, because Alder Lake slams Zen 3 in both performance and value.
See what's AMD's most popular GPY on Steam Survey. That alone proves I'm right.
Nvidia went with Samsung for availablity, which is why they outsold AMD with ease. Ampere is better for mining AND gaming.
Ampere is also hotter. I remember AMD beibg bashed for high power consumption. Nvidia does same, there's no problem. That fanboyism.

Why are you mentioning server market all the time, Intel owns that market. Just like they own the mobile market. Two of the most important markets in terms of money. Desktop market is a standing joke compared to these, yet AMD reaps 60% of their income from desktop market right now. But this will change soon, now that Intel has superior products here too, just look at TechSpots recent top 5 CPU article, Intel wins 4 out of 5 only chip from AMD mentioned is Threadripper, pretty much whole AMD Desktop lineup was destroyed with Alder Lake, AMD lowered prices 50% pretty much on all chips compared to MSRP and still they have worse performance/value than Alder Lake :joy::joy:
Since you still cannot answer my question about Epyc 7742, I'm done here.
 

Usukosej

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Point is that desktop and mobile aree different categories and so numbering scheme may also be different.

See what's AMD's most popular GPY on Steam Survey. That alone proves I'm right.

Ampere is also hotter. I remember AMD beibg bashed for high power consumption. Nvidia does same, there's no problem. That fanboyism.


Since you still cannot answer my question about Epyc 7742, I'm done here.

AMD Radeon Graphics on Steam HW Survey is a segment of AMD GPUs. Intel has the same, if you actually looked.. Funny that you think Steam HW Survey can't be trusted to see what GAMERS actually use... Hahah :joy: It's the single biggest database of gaming rigs that exist. Will reflect the gaming market very well. Unless you are a fanboy in denial of course 🤣

Ampere is not hot at all, simply look at noise tests and you will see that AMD cards are not less loud 🤣 I have 3080 Ti and 3070, none of them are hot or loud 🤣 3060 Ti and 3070 easily has of the the best performance per watt this generation and Undervolting them will make them the best hands down.

Go see for yourself - AVERAGE WATTS USED IN GAMING; https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-3090-ti-suprim-x/38.html

3070 uses less watts in gaming than 6700XT yet beats it by 10-15% overall in 1440p and 2160p. 6800 NON-XT is the only card that even comes close, if you keep it at stock speed.

And also check the peak spikes, 6900XT is in the lead with 619 watts :dizzy: SPIKES are what kills PSUs, or make machines reboot during load, if you did not know ;)

Undervolt exists tho, which is the new OC. You probably don't know, because you don't have any experience with the hardware we talk about. Go check the article about 3090 Ti locked at 300 watts. My 3080 Ti undervolted uses 350 watt max, performs like a 3090 stock and very easily beats 6900XT.

I use AMD, Intel and Nvidia. I have several chips of each brand in my house. Don't tell me about fanboyism, because you are the biggest AMD fanboy I have ever seen :joy:
 
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