Nvidia and AMD graphics cards prices are getting worse, now 83% over MSRP

godrilla

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I don't know if you guys have a short memory or weren't there during the first shortage, but we had that exact same situation in late-2017 till mid-2018. And the only reason for that was mining. Sure, chip shortage and the pandemic don't help with this one, but mining is still a big factor to this mess.


Think again: https://u.today/ethereum-20-merge-finally-activated-in-interoperable-devnet-why-is-this-important
Exactly cryptomining is causing inflation exponentially some are clueless and have yet to challenge this statement!
 
I find it interesting that looking at this article and the comments that only a few people I feel really nailed what is wrong. Some say Chip short, Low supply or Mining and sure maybe that plays a part. But anyone can find all the stock in the world of these cards, but not at Best Buy, Walmart or some other big box store. You will find it all on E-Bay, Facebook Market Place and other user controlled resale sites. Pages and pages of any electronic that you want that someone is more than willing to sale to you at twice the retail for profit. If it was so bad with mining or manufacturing you wouldn’t be able to buy cards at all but you can buy all the cards you want. If their was a shortage that would also suggest to me that they are not available at all for purchasing but that’s just not the case right now and you can definitely find them allot of them and buy them, to me that means it’s more so a case of people’s greed not so much on the manufacturer, shortages or mining. But at the end of the day this will only continue the more people buy or when selling practices change at retailers.
 

Revolution 11

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Pandemic slowed everything down and it's only a pandemic because we want it to be.


You'll never convince every person out there to stop buying things at inflated prices unfortunately.
If everyone is buying things at inflated prices, then the prices are not inflated. Just for you (and me).

It is just prudent business. If your production of a good (or service) sells out immediately, raise prices. When you start getting stockpiles of your goods, lower prices.

Right now, everyone wants to game or mine. Until the fabs catch up (which will take close to 3 years BTW due to nature of fab and chip construction), prices will remain high.
 

Revolution 11

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AMD and nVidia are not telling the truth, because the truth is blatant and damning....

China (ie:CCP) is holding 60% of all dGPUs shipments... and hoarding them. China is telling nVidia and AMD that they are tied up at ports and shipping, but both CEO's know the truth. They are all being blackmailed by CCP and if they say anything, or shine light on actual reasons, instead of CCP's "shipping/port woes"...



There is evidence that CCP is actually mining on new cards, THEN reselling them as new, after 9 months of usage. Several now famous pictures of this. AMD and nVidia are not talking about this..... they are biding their time until FAB and assembly open up elsewhere.

Again, both CEO's of nVidia and AMD penned a letter to Congress, about "issues" and the need to open more FABs up in USA. So that consumer can not be manipulated by CCP.
Just visit San Francisco and LA once. There are 87 container ships just sitting off the coast of California JUST FOR LONG BEACH AND LOS ANGELES because our ports are understaffed and under-equipped. When I went to SF this summer, there were at least 15 container ships you could see with your bare eyes, more off the coast, and the line has only gotten longer since then.

I wonder how many GPUs are just floating in these ships or waiting for a container ship to unload in SF/LA and return to pick up GPUs in Asia.
 

BadThad

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Just visit San Francisco and LA once. There are 87 container ships just sitting off the coast of California JUST FOR LONG BEACH AND LOS ANGELES because our ports are understaffed and under-equipped. When I went to SF this summer, there were at least 15 container ships you could see with your bare eyes, more off the coast, and the line has only gotten longer since then.

I wonder how many GPUs are just floating in these ships or waiting for a container ship to unload in SF/LA and return to pick up GPUs in Asia.

It's not just the ships, it's the containers. I keep hearing there are tens of thousands of empty containers sitting in CA and those empty containers are needed.
 

Revolution 11

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It's not just the ships, it's the containers. I keep hearing there are tens of thousands of empty containers sitting in CA and those empty containers are needed.
Yes that is true. I was just making a reference to how many goods are tied up both off the coast and in the port, waiting to be loaded and unloaded. We are talking about weeks of delays for many products.
 
For those who want to game and have enough money, theb they can't afford to wait another 2 years for cards to come back down in price, of course they will just buy them. This is all due to supply and demand. Covid kicked off a snow ball effect that kept rolling due to a paper launch from NVIDIA to help it along. Back in March 2020 before the 3000 series launch prices were just starting to get a bit high, and then paper launch made everything sky rocket and it's been going ever since because there are more and more gamers that can't get a Ps5 so buying PC, plus the usual customers additional to the spike in people that were stuck at home who re/discovered gaming.
Crypto isn't helping either but the new cards are that economical to run anyway so I think iys not that much of a deal now that LHR is in. The dual mining doesn't work as well as non LHR and they only get about 65% hash rate yield, so it's better to just get last gen cards for mining.
It's not going away as well, now that green and red have a taste for such high profits they will just keep pushing prices higher and higher and we won't get low tier cards anymore eventually, why when the demand is so high for the profit making cards? It will be all mid to high end cards only. No more 1660 and etc anymore from here on out..
I see this happening until about 2024 when we will start to see that the supply has caught up and we go back to a marketing and price war between cards. Intel really needs to come out swinging as well to help the situation.
 
Not accurate at all. I purchased a 5700xt for 380$ shipped via Amazon in September 2020. The same card is on Amazon right now for 1,299.99$
 

Markoni35

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Developers are now aware that a lot of casual players have older hardware, so they'll make their games better optimized. Which is great.

We don't want more poorly optimized games, we had enough of that with PUBG (rest in pieces) and similar amateurish products.
 

cliffordcooley

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I'm still happy with my now out of support GTX 660. I will not be buying another unless mine suffers a unfortunate death.