Nvidia reveals first wave of games to support DLSS 3.0, new RTX 4080 benchmarks

midian182

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What just happened? Nvidia's RTX 4090 has finally launched, and with it comes the company's latest iteration of its Deep Learning Super Sampling tech, the Lovelace-exclusive DLSS 3.0. Team Green has already announced 35 games that will support DLSS 3.0. Now, we know that five of them will gain it within the first week. Sadly for Cyberpunk 2077 fans, CD Projekt Red's game isn't one of them.

Nvidia writes in its post that the first AAA game to receive DLSS 3.0 support will be Microsoft Flight Simulator on October 17. The sim is one of the most demanding titles you can play today. According to Nvidia's figures, even the mighty RTX 4090 can 'only' manage 74.7 fps@4K with max settings, but that number more than doubles to 152.7 fps with DLSS 3.0 (all tests are carried out in performance mode). As you can see in the charts, Nvidia has also shown figures for the unreleased RTX 4080 16GB and 12GB, and the former card isn't too far off the flagship.

The other big title on the list is A Plague Tale: Requiem, which launches on October 18. We recently heard the sequel to the excellent Innocence requires an RTX 3070 just for 60fps@1080p. DLSS 3.0 more than doubles the frame rates of the unreleased RTX 4080 series while adding around 70fps to the RTX 4090's already impressive 106.3 fps.

The remaining three supported games aren't as high profile as the other two: early access battle royale Super People already has support, while Justice: Fuyun Court, and Loopmancer receive it today.

Nvidia writes that the next game to support DLSS 3.0 after Requiem will be F1 2022, though it only says that the update is coming "soon."

There's no mention of when CD Projekt Red will release the Cyberpunk 2077 update that adds the new and improved Ray Tracing: Overdrive Mode and DLSS 3.0 support, though you can already see how much of a performance boost the technology gives the game as it was made available for the reviews.

Make sure to see our full review of the RTX 4090 and all our benchmarks, including DLSS 3.0 performance in several other games.

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hahahanoobs

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Nice. That's a good amount. I would have assumed maybe 10 being in the works and long wait times from launch.
 

neeyik

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The non-DLSS performance claims are interesting reading. Taking the geomean of Nvidia's figures, the 4080's compare against the others like this:

4080 (16GB) vs
3090 Ti = +18%
3080 = +51%
3070 = +106%

4080 (12GB) vs
3090 Ti = -7%
3080 = +20%
3070 = +63%

And just for giggles, let's do the same for launch MSRPs, too:

4080 (16GB) vs
3090 Ti = -37%
3080 = +82%
3070 = +154%

4080 (12GB) vs
3090 Ti = -53%
3080 = +36%
3070 = +90%

Edit: Oh and just for the sake of completion, the 4090's geomean compares like this:

3090 Ti = +64%
3080 = +111%
3070 = +187%

And the MSRPs:

3090 Ti = -15%
3080 = +143%
3070 = +240%
 

EdmondRC

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The non-DLSS performance claims are interesting reading. Taking the geomean of Nvidia's figures, the 4080's compare against the others like this:
I think everyone's instinct that the 4080 pricing is to sell RTX 30 overstock is correct. Watch Nvidia pull the 4080 12gb model next year and release a 4070 with almost the exact same specs, along with a price drop for the 4080 16gb and the 4080 Ti releasing at 1299.00.
 

nodfor

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Only the 4090 is worth it from this launch. The rest of the lineup seems to offer terrible value for money.

Team red has very good offers with their current line up, let's wait and see what they bring with the new one.
My guess is the 4080s will sell badly until pricing is adjusted, everyone who was willing to spend that much probably has already bought a gpu with similar raster perf.
 

Neatfeatguy

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I still don't get it...I mean, I understand how it works, but I don't get how they can tout massive fps gains when it's not rendering the game faster, but it's adding in extra frames it creates on its own to pad the numbers.

It basically works like this:
Frame 1 is rendered.
Frame 2 is rendered.
DLSS 3.0 generates a made-up frame (call it Frame 1.5) and then it pushes out the the frames in such order:
Frame 1
Frame 1.5
Frame 2

The GPU isn't rendering the game any faster, it's just using smoke and mirrors to make things "appear" like they're going faster.

Oh well, I guess it just bugs me more than anything. I'm not really impressed with the 4090 and I don't expect to be impressed by either of the 4080s. I suppose I fall into the group that Nvidia doesn't care about because this release wasn't marketed towards someone like me.

If the "make up your own frame and add it in" feature is good for others, I hope you enjoy it.
 

Burty117

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Oh well, I guess it just bugs me more than anything. I'm not really impressed with the 4090 and I don't expect to be impressed by either of the 4080s. I suppose I fall into the group that Nvidia doesn't care about because this release wasn't marketed towards someone like me.

If the "make up your own frame and add it in" feature is good for others, I hope you enjoy it.
Even more bizarrely, they didn't add DisplayPort 2.0 in because "1.4a is good enough" yet they produce a graphics card with features like this that pads out the framerate for smoothness yet, refuse to let you hook up a screen that can actually take advantage of it.

One of the first 4k high refresh rate capable GPU's but they don't allow you to hook up more capable monitors. Sure, DisplayPort 2.0 monitors are basically non-existent at the moment but damn, if I'm spending £2000 on a GPU I expect to be able to hook up the latest and greatest Monitor to it...
 

waclark

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Only the 4090 is worth it from this launch. The rest of the lineup seems to offer terrible value for money.

Team red has very good offers with their current line up, let's wait and see what they bring with the new one.
My guess is the 4080s will sell badly until pricing is adjusted, everyone who was willing to spend that much probably has already bought a gpu with similar raster perf.
How is a 4080 that delivers 93% of the performance of a 3090 Ti, at 50% or less cost a bad value? And the 16 G version delivers 13% more performance at 60% of the price?

Even with DLSS off, the 4080 12G is basically at 3090 Ti performance for a lot less.
 

passwordistaco

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How is a 4080 that delivers 93% of the performance of a 3090 Ti, at 50% or less cost a bad value? And the 16 G version delivers 13% more performance at 60% of the price?

Even with DLSS off, the 4080 12G is basically at 3090 Ti performance for a lot less.

The 3090 Ti is currently available for $1100-1200. The REAL 4080 FE is announced at $1200, plus whatever the AIBs tack on. That is not "50% or less cost", it's a wash.

The 4070 4080 12 GB FE is announced at $900, for about 3090 (non-Ti) performance. The 3090 is currently available for around $1000, so approximately what the AIBs will charge for a 4070 4080 12 GB. Big whoop.

The 2 "4080" cards do not represent a generational price/performance upgrade. It's Turing again.
 
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Rocky4040

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I still don't get it...I mean, I understand how it works, but I don't get how they can tout massive fps gains when it's not rendering the game faster, but it's adding in extra frames it creates on its own to pad the numbers.

It basically works like this:
Frame 1 is rendered.
Frame 2 is rendered.
DLSS 3.0 generates a made-up frame (call it Frame 1.5) and then it pushes out the the frames in such order:
Frame 1
Frame 1.5
Frame 2

The GPU isn't rendering the game any faster, it's just using smoke and mirrors to make things "appear" like they're going faster.

Oh well, I guess it just bugs me more than anything. I'm not really impressed with the 4090 and I don't expect to be impressed by either of the 4080s. I suppose I fall into the group that Nvidia doesn't care about because this release wasn't marketed towards someone like me.

If the "make up your own frame and add it in" feature is good for others, I hope you enjoy it.

Yep have to agree 100% I am in the market for a new GPU but I live in Canada so our dollar is not as strong as the USD. So when they say $1600 for a FE card or $2000 for a third party card in USD that $1600 becomes $2500-$2800 CAD depending how badly the retailer decides to rip us all off for the $2000 USD cards it gets even worse price wise. Sorry but no thanks I'll either hold on to my Vega 64 a while longer and wait and see what AMD has to offer with RDNA 3.

I won't go near the 4080's both seem to be a scam from Nvidia or a bad joke at least. I mean if you name 2 cards with the same name at least have both of them with the same core counts even if they have to lower the memo bus bandwidth for the lesser cards vram amount. At least if the 4060Ti oops 4080 12GB had the same core count it would at least perform near the 16GB cards level of performance.

Edited: It seems Nvidia moved all the tiers of cards up 1 or 2 notches so they can extract more money out of the lesser cards than they should be getting. It's called GREED.
 

AlaskaGuy

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Only the 4090 is worth it from this launch. The rest of the lineup seems to offer terrible value for money.

Team red has very good offers with their current line up, let's wait and see what they bring with the new one.
My guess is the 4080s will sell badly until pricing is adjusted, everyone who was willing to spend that much probably has already bought a gpu with similar raster perf.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/40-series/rtx-4080/
NVIDIA RTX 4080 12GB Graphics Card $899.99
NVIDIA RTX 4080 16GB Graphics Card $1199.99

https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Graphics-Windforce-GV-N308TEAGLE-OC-12GD/dp/B083HZCPGK/
GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 3080 Ti Eagle OC 12GB Graphics Card $949.99
 

AlaskaGuy

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How is a 4080 that delivers 93% of the performance of a 3090 Ti, at 50% or less cost a bad value? And the 16 G version delivers 13% more performance at 60% of the price?

Even with DLSS off, the 4080 12G is basically at 3090 Ti performance for a lot less.
You are one of the few on this thread that gets it. ^^
 

waclark

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The 3090 Ti is currently available for $1100-1200. The REAL 4080 FE is announced at $1200, plus whatever the AIBs tack on. That is not "50% or less cost", it's a wash.

The 4070 4080 12 GB FE is announced at $900, for about 3090 (non-Ti) performance. The 3090 is currently available for around $1000, so approximately what the AIBs will charge for a 4070 4080 12 GB. Big whoop.

The 2 "4080" cards do not represent a generational price/performance upgrade. It's Turing again.
I was comparing MSRP, not street price. Let's see how 4080s fare 2 years from now.

The 4080 12G is performing more like a 3090 Ti and besting it with DLSS turned on, at less than half the MSRP. I also don't know of any 3090 Ti going for $1,000, more like $1200-1600.

How do you define "generational" performance upgrade? The 4080 12G is between 10-30% faster than the 3080 (as shown here) and much faster with DLSS turned on. And, we haven't looked at RT yet. I'd say it's a bit early to write off the 4080 cards.

Maybe RDNA 3 will blow them out of the water. We can only hope they do so at a lower price point. But somehow, I doubt RDNA 3 will deliver the RT performance that Nvidia cards can deliver.