Same Laptop, Different CPU: Ryzen 4000 vs. Intel 10th-gen Battle

Mike Koh

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Amd cheaper and better, but availability is not very good in some countries. Intel always have newer generations cpu laptops months ahead of ryzen's new generation in my country, despite amd already releasing it in other countries. So if I wanna buy a new laptop for my family, intel is on latest gen and widely available, while Ryzen is last gen and models with both Intel and AMD options does not favour AMD

Please fix this AMD and companies. I bought my laptop Lenovo 720s which has Intel and Ryzen options but I ended up going on Intel because they didnt optimize for ryzen performance. the wifi card is inferior on Ryzen model, only single channel ram, cooling not optimize,etc for Ryzen at all, hence Ryzen model run hotter, slower wifi speed and barely more performance than the Intel model, honestly Lenovo just bottlenecked Ryzen just by not optimizing it. I really wanna support them, but please make it easier for us.

Just bought a Lenovo Ryzen laptop for my sis, hope Ryzen and Lenovo keep momentum high with their laptop optimized well
 
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mrSister

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As expected, no real season to buy an Intel laptop right now. Unless ofc you want one of those fugly gaming laptops that come with higher end nvidia stuff and only sell with Intel's
 

Irata

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So many pointless benchmarks of multi-core applications where everybody knows AMD excel and not a single game. As I keep saying 99% of people don't give a damn how fast a processor runs Blender. When will this stop? The day AMD produces a processor with good single-core performance I guess...
Did you even fully read the article ? Gaming benchmarks are coming next but even part 1 already included a few tasks that depend highly on single threaded performance.
 

Arbie

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So many pointless benchmarks ... 99% of people don't give a damn how fast a processor runs Blender .. The day AMD produces a processor with good single-core performance.
The article stated that games come later. It shows that for everything else the AMD chip is an obvious win. But please let us know what 99% of people *do* use; testing only that will save a lot of work going forward.

Given all the passion here for single-core it's odd that they pretty much died off around 2008 but maybe you can still find one.
 

roberthi

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Do you really trust an article that shows a CPU running in your laptop at 90C? That's like putting your thighs on top of your stove and setting it about midway.
 

deksman2

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So many pointless benchmarks of multi-core applications where everybody knows AMD excel and not a single game. As I keep saying 99% of people don't give a damn how fast a processor runs Blender. When will this stop? The day AMD produces a processor with good single-core performance I guess...
Wow.
So, those of us who do content creation and gaming aren't interested in either single or multi-core performance?
Oh and, for your information, AMD's Zen 2 cpu's are actually better than Intel's in single core performance.

Why?
Well, lets look at the boost clocks for one thing.
4800H boost clock is 4.2GhZ.
10750H boost clock is 5GhZ.

That's about 20% faster frequency on Intel's side for mostly 4% higher single core performance (maybe 12% in very isolated programs if you count Photoshop which is lightly threaded).

Context... such an interesting concept.
On top of that, if both CPU's had identical boost clocks, AMD would win in not just multi-core performance, but single-core too.

The tiny advantage Intel holds in single core is actually due to the higher clocks... not due to having superior IPC or architecture at large (those are actually inferior to Zen 2).

And on top of that, AMD is FAR more efficient.
It was able to complete compute tasks on battery with juice to spare, whereas Intel could not.



 

Lionvibez

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Did you even fully read the article ? Gaming benchmarks are coming next but even part 1 already included a few tasks that depend highly on single threaded performance.
You were expecting the I only play games crowd to actually read :)
 
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Irata

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The article stated that games come later. It shows that for everything else the AMD chip is an obvious win. But please let us know what 99% of people *do* use; testing only that will save a lot of work going forward.

Given all the passion here for single-core it's odd that they pretty much died off around 2008 but maybe you can still find one.
Userbenchmark would disagree 😂
 
Hi guys,

XMG here, first post on TechSpot. Thanks to Tim for the outstanding investigation. When I decided to send him these two review samples from Taiwan, I did not expect that this topic would blow up in such an awesome way.

If you guys have any questions, feel free to @mention my name. I'll get e-mail notifications for every reply.

It‘s interesting that Chinese companies often seem to be more open towards making proper AMD based laptops.
I would like to add that TongFang's designs are created in Taiwan by their long-term partner Uniwill. It's pretty much designed in Taiwan with help from partners all over the world and Made in China. Taiwan #1!

Does AMD also use some kind of temp offset for their mobile CPUs?
There is a temperature target, yes. The value depends on the selected performance profile.

Everyone, click here for Part 2 of the article: Gaming Benchmarks on Intel vs. AMD.

// Tom
 

Irata

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I would like to add that TongFang's designs are created in Taiwan by their long-term partner Uniwill. It's pretty much designed in Taiwan with help from partners all over the world and Made in China. Taiwan #1!

// Tom
Hi Tom. It‘s great that you replied to the thread - afair this is the first time I remember seeing an OEM representative in the comments.

Did not know that the design was actually done in Taiwan. This is good to know and Unuwill, Tongfang and you guys seem to have done a great job.

If you ever need a product tester in Germany, let me know. If a system encounters no problems and survives when my kid uses it, you know it‘s good.

That‘s not to say that he tries to break stuff, Computers just get used very intensively by him. 😁
 
I really appreciate the benchmark for compilers but would be even better to see some Java based compiling benchmark also. I moved out from C/C++ some years ago :(
 

mbrowne5061

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They are a german distributor that only serves the EU IIRC. Outside of the EU you never see them.
Yet another reason to move to the EU.

But seriously, it feels like I have no good choices for laptops in the US anymore. I have to pick between Apple, Dell, or a few different companies with anti-consumer histories when it comes to their BIOS and software.
 

AvroArrow

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I saw Tim do this review on Hardware Unboxed's YouTube Channel. In the comments, there was one that should get comment of the year and is still the top comment to this day.

Commenter's Name: "ScruDover"

Comment Content: "I've never been this early to a murder scene."

Just classic! LMAO
 
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Makste

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I want the same XMG Core 15 ryzen 4800H nvidia rtx 2060 16GB DDR4 RAM 1TB laptop. From where can I purchase one? Post a link of a trusted source pliz. Thank you.
 
@Makste would it help if I tell you that bestware[dot]com is our official BTO shop platform? If you're looking for resellers in Europe, feel free to check the price comparison platform Geizhals:


// Tom
 
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Makste

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The article stated that games come later. It shows that for everything else the AMD chip is an obvious win. But please let us know what 99% of people *do* use; testing only that will save a lot of work going forward.

Given all the passion here for single-core it's odd that they pretty much died off around 2008 but maybe you can still find one.
Hi Tom. It‘s great that you replied to the thread - afair this is the first time I remember seeing an OEM representative in the comments.

Did not know that the design was actually done in Taiwan. This is good to know and Unuwill, Tongfang and you guys seem to have done a great job.

If you ever need a product tester in Germany, let me know. If a system encounters no problems and survives when my kid uses it, you know it‘s good.

That‘s not to say that he tries to break stuff, Computers just get used very intensively by him. 😁
Supposing the ryzen 9 4900HS is put under the same conditions, how would it perform?
 

Julio Franco

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Hi guys,

XMG here, first post on TechSpot. Thanks to Tim for the outstanding investigation. When I decided to send him these two review samples from Taiwan, I did not expect that this topic would blow up in such an awesome way.

If you guys have any questions, feel free to @mention my name. I'll get e-mail notifications for every reply.

// Tom
Welcome Tom.
 
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AvroArrow

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Yet another reason to move to the EU.

But seriously, it feels like I have no good choices for laptops in the US anymore. I have to pick between Apple, Dell, or a few different companies with anti-consumer histories when it comes to their BIOS and software.
It's funny you say that because I live in Canada where the pickings are equally slim but I am a citizen of the EU.

I hear France is nice every time of year.... :p