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Shadow of the Tomb Raider unable to maintain 60fps on a GeForce RTX 2080 Ti

By Cal Jeffrey · 37 replies
Aug 21, 2018
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  1. It is always nice to see games running on the latest hardware. It was one of the biggest attractions at Nvidia’s unveiling of its GeForce RTX 2080 Ti. However, hardware manufacturers only want to show their products in the best possible light. Many, including myself, were curious as to how well the card performed outside of the highly controlled environment of an Nvidia keynote.

    Thanks to a video from German website PC Games Hardware, we actually get to see a glimpse of a 2080 Ti running a demo of Shadow of the Tomb Raider with RTX enabled in 1080p. The results were surprisingly unimpressive.

    A FRAPS overlay displayed the frames per second which fluctuated widely between 30 and 70 fps. The frame rate would increase significantly when the card did not have to render environments, like when looking at a wall. However, the average rate while running around in the world was only 30-45fps.

    This low performance is especially surprising considering Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang bragged about the card’s ability to run at a “silky smooth” 60fps in 4K. This might be achievable with fully-optimized code, but it does not appear to be the case with this early demo.

    Indeed, after PC Games Hardware published the video, Tomb Raider developers took to Twitter to explain the low frame rate.

    “The Nvidia Ray Tracing technology currently being shown in Shadow of the Tomb Raider is an early work in progress version,” the tweet says. “As a result, different areas of the game have received different levels of polish while we work toward complete implementation of this new technology. The final Nvidia Ray Tracing integration will be released as a post-launch update, and we are excited for our fans to experience it first-hand.”

    The devs did not mention how far “post-launch” the update would be. However, since some parts are already implementing RTX, including the portion Huang showed at the keynote, the patch will probably be close to follow.

    Of course, Lara Croft’s next chapter hits shelves on September 14 — six days before Nvidia’s 20-series cards arrive on the 20th. So the optimizations might already be available by the time you’re plugging in your shiny new GPU.

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  2. VitalyT

    VitalyT Russ-Puss Posts: 4,305   +2,771

    That must have been embarrassing, just like that video that was shown, where Lara dies about 10 times. I mean who even would show such poor game-play to anybody?
  3. Evernessince

    Evernessince TS Evangelist Posts: 3,661   +2,982

    " “As a result, different areas of the game have received different levels of polish while we work toward complete implementation of this new technology."

    This is indeed a demo but I'll believe it when I see it. They need to go from sub 40 FPS 1080p to 60 FPS 4K like Nvidia claimed. You are talking about more than a 400% performance gain in ray tracing from "polish" as the dev puts it. That's usually not on the level of polish, it's more on the level of "our RT code needs to be completely re-written" or "our hardware is completely inadequate". This isn't the first report of poor RT performance either.

    Currently, I'm waiting to reserve judgement for these performance issues. Given the pricing, people expect these to do 4K 60FPS with RT on at the least.
    Last edited: Aug 21, 2018
  4. Lew Zealand

    Lew Zealand TS Guru Posts: 444   +332

    Pre-released game on pre-released card. Nobody here will be surprised the performance is sub par, especially on first implementation of a new tech. We'll see if Nvidia can up the performance but IMO there's a 0% chance that a AAA game will implement more than a token amount of ray tracing at 4k/60fps.
    DanUK likes this.
  5. wiyosaya

    wiyosaya TS Evangelist Posts: 3,561   +1,924

    I'll be looking forward to the TS review.
  6. sasat

    sasat TS Enthusiast Posts: 36   +20

    Personally I don't see much difference with RTX on vs non-RTX demos of the same scene. But 30fps on 1080p for a card of 1600$ is a joke. I would agree 30 fps on 4k, but this is laughable. We need more FPS not shadows.
  7. Bluescreendeath

    Bluescreendeath TS Addict Posts: 105   +115

    $1200 for a card that gets 30-45 fps in its advertised gaming category with the advertised gaming graphical features (ray tracing). lulz...
  8. JaredTheDragon

    JaredTheDragon Banned Posts: 545   +362

    Realtime Raytracing is a gimmick. Hopefully it won't work on too many people, and AMD shouldn't even bother with this yet.

    It's almost as bad as jumping from the 1000 series naming to 2000, or changing "GTX" to "RTX". Pure marketing decisions, sans any real value to them. No 2000-series card will be twice as fast as a 1000 series card of the same subset.
  9. LNCPapa

    LNCPapa TS Special Forces Posts: 4,265   +518

    Realtime Ray Tracing is something many people who have been into computer graphics have been awaiting for a very long time. Many years ago I played with some rendering apps and noticed how much a difference ray tracing made on renders vs other lighting methods. I wouldn't call it a gimmick unless we aren't ready to get it with good performance yet due to hardware limitations.
    SantistaUSA likes this.
  10. Nocturne

    Nocturne TS Addict Posts: 142   +71

    How can you not see the difference, glass in particular looks real, reflections alone are worth it, shadows are really meh, but room lighting is like day and night, that drowned out tinted room looked perfect shadow wise and in games where shadows play a part in rogue like player behaviour it will be a major deal.
  11. Ean Mogg

    Ean Mogg TS Enthusiast Posts: 99   +40

    So those with mere gtx1070s haven't got a chance then
  12. Of what value is this currently? Zero optimized drivers, incomplete development in the game...

    The 20 series is 50/50. Maybe it will impress, maybe it won't.

    But this?

    Clickbait for ad revenue.
  13. Evernessince

    Evernessince TS Evangelist Posts: 3,661   +2,982

    Remember that it's Nvidia's interest to show this tech in it's best light. There's no guarantee that what was shown in the presentation is what you are going to get. Nvidia's implementation is really a rasterization hybrid with denoising applied to clean things up. It may look decent at 1080p as we've seen in the presentation but the missing details could be very apparent at 4K if current product can run at that resolution.
    Charles Olson likes this.
  14. texasrattler

    texasrattler TS Evangelist Posts: 583   +211

    Love how people blame the card when it's not the card that's the issue, it's a game issue so it's on the dev to optimize the software. All what was shown was demo stuff, to get you drawn in. And it worked.
    Then some game that isn't even fully optimized, all of a sudden the card cant do what nvidia said LOL.

    There is always going to be some early struggles when it comes to new hardware n software/drivers. Always has been and always will be. 10 series went through some struggles early on but turned out just fine.
  15. ByteMyAscii

    ByteMyAscii TS Rookie

    Actually we don't know what the cause is.
    You are quick to dismiss what it isn't when you have no idea yourself.
    Where you just throw out a load of possible causes.

    We need a side by side of an optimised experience for both.
    Not just one-sided pretty demos.
  16. pcnthuziast

    pcnthuziast TS Evangelist Posts: 513   +136

    Last time I skipped a gen was the gtx 500 series. Already having major doubts about these new cards and as insane as the prices are gonna be, I'll probably skip this gen. Very unimpressive so far. Also Nvidia's business practices have always been among the shadiest in the industry imho. Just sayin.
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  17. Nobina

    Nobina TS Evangelist Posts: 1,814   +1,329

    I doubt they will increase performance to go from 30fps@1080p to 60fps@4k without having to compromise graphics which then defeats the purpose of ray tracing. If they manage it I will be impressed even though I'm not all about graphics and this GPU and ray tracing isn't for me and my budget.
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  18. ForgottenLegion

    ForgottenLegion TS Guru Posts: 355   +353

    Ray tracing implementation in games will be akin to Physx and 3D Vision adoption.
    It's a nice addition but I'm willing to bet the hardware just isn't there yet nevermind getting enough devs on board to force the market in this direction.

    Hopefully AMD can bring out a competing card with 90% the performance for half the cost. These prices are out of control.

    Eagerly waiting real world 2080 Ti performance. numbers.
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  19. sasat

    sasat TS Enthusiast Posts: 36   +20

    Not to mention that in order to RTX-ify game is the same effort as to make pc game on palystation plus many AI pre-rendering farm iterations which is very costly and time consuming. And that's for only elite with 2080Ti FTW3 who will barely run 5 FPS on 4k for few minutes and switch RTX off. Lol
  20. fadingfool

    fadingfool TS Booster Posts: 96   +90

    Colour me unsurprised - I'd expect 1080p with ray tracing at approx 60 fps by the time the card is released. 60 fps at 4k will be without all the bells and whistles. A 1080TI sometimes struggles to maintain 60fps in ultra at 1440p (I know because I have one) - so whilst there is a 10x improvement in ray tracing in the 2080 Ti there is only a small boost in cores for the grunt work.
  21. amghwk

    amghwk TS Guru Posts: 464   +283

    They don't make newer cards with regressive performance.

    Just need to wait for the games to take advantage of the new technology.

    Besides, it's not an optimized game code yet.

    Also, this need to be compared with the 1080Ti for relative performance issues.

    And also it will useful to know when and how did that German website got a hold of the RTX 2080 Ti. When was it run to see the demo? I see the date of publishing was August 21, but when was the demo run? Was it a finished retail card? Did any other hardware reviewers got a card for review yet?
  22. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 3,272   +1,722

    AMD have their own implementation on the RadeonPro GPUs which mixes real time raytracing with traditional rasterization-based rendering using the Vulakn 1.1 API. They also have Radeon Rays 2.0 which is open source (available on Github) built using the OpenCL 1.2 standard. Nvidia's RTX API will run through DirectX (MS's DXR API which will be included in an DX12 update).

    AMD is using the async compute engines to achieve this (which are great for compute heavy workloads), although it's probably not as good/powerful as NVidia's dedicated cores.
    Last edited: Aug 22, 2018
  23. erickmendes

    erickmendes TS Evangelist Posts: 553   +239

    Smells like Intel 28 core to me... lol
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  24. GreenNova343

    GreenNova343 TS Maniac Posts: 348   +230

    I'd also throw in a comparison to nVidia's HairWorks... another piece of visual "optimization" (to improve the "looks" for hair, grass & other similar features) that ended up truly butchering performance even on high-end cards, as seen in Techspot's review (https://www.techspot.com/review/1006-the-witcher-3-benchmarks/page6.html) -- which had 25% drop in average FPS/55-60% drop in minimum FPS on nVidia's GTX 780 & 980 (top-end cards for the time), 45% drop in average FPS/66% drop in minimum FPS for the non-nVidia R9 290. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see something similar with ray-tracing...& it seems like we're already seeing some proof of that...
    Sikirash likes this.
  25. Nocturne

    Nocturne TS Addict Posts: 142   +71

    Go watch Battlefield V demo again, look at the bus windows. Dice had 2 weeks to implement RT. All things considered that is damn good. SotTR I wouldn't assess from as they went to Twitter stating it is extremely unoptimized running extra Ray's than needed.

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