So you only have PCI slots and want to game?

[someguy1st]

You sure you can't simply order one of the Albatron cards directly and have it shipped to you? The Albatron cards own both of those you mentioned, but if you can't order from Albatron, the Powercolor card is better since they are both 64-bit. BTW, you don't want to mess with 64-bit cards because they are way underpowered and are nowhere as good as the 128-bit ones.

hmmm i might look into the albatron cards then but i havnt seen anywhere on the net where they are being sold

 

[teklord]

hmmm i might look into the albatron cards then but i havnt seen anywhere on the net where they are being sold

According to one of the other posters on this thread, you can get the Albatron cards directly off of the website , I just provided the link to it. Right now, only the 8500 GT is posted, but I read from several sources that the 8600 GT and the 8400 GS will be posted soon. When I get around to getting another GPU for my PCI slot only PC, I will probably get the 8600 GT from Albatron directly.

 

[treetops]

I think this thread alone is responsible for the release of the 8 series . They basically went from the 6 straight to the 8, the only problem is with my 2.53 processor , I will never be able to play games like age of conan(came out last month), so going from 6200 to a 7 or 8 series just doesn't seem worth it to me. Maybe if there was a old game I really loved to play and wanted to buff up it would be worth it. One day I will upgrade but I believe I will always keep this rig or loan it out to family it will be a great back up computer. To bad they don't have like a 2-3 pci slot using 8 series card, that plugs into 2-3 slots so you get more out of the card.

To the guy from NZ, message someone on ebay selling a card you want, tell them how easy they can send it to NZ and I bet they will send you a card.

 

[FusilliJerry82]

I think this thread alone is responsible for the release of the 8 series . They basically went from the 6 straight to the 8, the only problem is with my 2.53 processor , I will never be able to play games like age of conan(came out last month), so going from 6200 to a 7 or 8 series just doesn't seem worth it to me. Maybe if there was a old game I really loved to play and wanted to buff up it would be worth it. One day I will upgrade but I believe I will always keep this rig or loan it out to family it will be a great back up computer. To bad they don't have like a 2-3 pci slot using 8 series card, that plugs into 2-3 slots so you get more out of the card.

To the guy from NZ, message someone on ebay selling a card you want, tell them how easy they can send it to NZ and I bet they will send you a card.

The PCI bus bandwidth is shared among all slots, so PCI SLI would be pretty pointless. Also, where do you guys see a page where you can buy directly from Albatron? All I see is their product page with no info except a specs chart and "Available Soon".

 

[teklord]

I am going by Tha General's posting above quoting the Albatron representative that you can order directly from them. I would send them some type of notice stating you are interested in purchasing one of their cards directly, and perhaps they will respond. They never responded to my inquiry, but I'm not sure it was processed properly in the first place as I was having problems with their website.

 

[Tha General]

I have 1 comment and one 1 question:

Comment: You can order from him, but i am going to do it. The site is overseas haha, so i really don't understand what he meant by that. I am just going to wait until the card is release within the united states, now in the email, he said that the team was looking for a " US seller ", so i hope in time they can find one, so we can start buying one of these cards.

But yea go over to the site and send them a email. I have been sending the folks emails about the cards, but they haven't been sending any messages back.

Now my Question, can someone explain to me , why is my 6200 having trouble running games , but my 5500fx card is not? I just tested out 16 of my pc games with both cards, the FX5500 is 128bit, and the 6200 is 64bit, same video memory, both DDR2, only difference the 6200 has SM 3.0 and the FX5500 has 2.0, but man, some games are just running terrible , but my FX5500 can run it full speed.

For example, Flatout 2, runs perfectly on my FX5500, but on my 6200 it runs like crap. Is this a 64bit problem, or a bottleneck problem?

Now the funny thing, i don't think its a bottleneck problem, because when i was using the crap 2400 PCI card, it actually ran games like Timeshift 20x faster then my 6200. And when i was using my 6200 to run crysis, it perform better then my 2400. So i think , i believe my 6200 can't run games very good , it is because of the 64bit bus.

I tell you one thing, until the new PCI cards come out, i am going to try to buy the X1550 Diamond Version, it has a 128bit bus.

 

[teklord]

I believe the 64-bit memory interface is the culprit. It halves the effectiveness of the card more or less IMO. Personally, I would wait for the 8600 to come out on the Albatron site and order one direct (I will do this eventually myself if this is not available in the US). If you can't wait, get the 8500 GT from Albatron now, as of today it is the best PCI card available, but that won't be the case when the 8600 GT comes out. The 8500 GT is the same price as the Diamond Stealth x1550 or actually a little less I believe.

 

[Tha General]

Hey teklord, i found the problem, it was a driver issue, not the card. The 6200 OC is the best card which i am using right now. The 2400 card doesn't work right and it sucks in my opinion.

So right now, i am interested in buying and testing out the X1550 Diamond Version, and the 8400GS , or 8500GT or 8600GT. I think those are the last great PCI cards that should work well with my computer.

So i hope albatron can release these cards soon.

peace

 

[electromagnetic]

I have 1 comment and one 1 question:

Comment: You can order from him, but i am going to do it. The site is overseas haha, so i really don't understand what he meant by that. I am just going to wait until the card is release within the united states, now in the email, he said that the team was looking for a " US seller ", so i hope in time they can find one, so we can start buying one of these cards.

But yea go over to the site and send them a email. I have been sending the folks emails about the cards, but they haven't been sending any messages back.

Now my Question, can someone explain to me , why is my 6200 having trouble running games , but my 5500fx card is not? I just tested out 16 of my pc games with both cards, the FX5500 is 128bit, and the 6200 is 64bit, same video memory, both DDR2, only difference the 6200 has SM 3.0 and the FX5500 has 2.0, but man, some games are just running terrible , but my FX5500 can run it full speed.

For example, Flatout 2, runs perfectly on my FX5500, but on my 6200 it runs like crap. Is this a 64bit problem, or a bottleneck problem?

Now the funny thing, i don't think its a bottleneck problem, because when i was using the crap 2400 PCI card, it actually ran games like Timeshift 20x faster then my 6200. And when i was using my 6200 to run crysis, it perform better then my 2400. So i think , i believe my 6200 can't run games very good , it is because of the 64bit bus.

I tell you one thing, until the new PCI cards come out, i am going to try to buy the X1550 Diamond Version, it has a 128bit bus.

How could you play Timeshift it requires 1GB of ram you only got 512 ram ?

 

[Tha General]

How could you play Timeshift it requires 1GB of ram you only got 512 ram ?

Well i am not using the 2400 HD pro anymore, but my 6200 can run timeshift ok, but nothing great. However, the 2400 PCI card can handle timeshift with ease. Only thing the 2400 is crap and runs alot games like crap, so i was shock to see it run timeshift without any issues.

Having only 512, using a 600MHZ and PIII computer doesn't matter. Timeshift is a tricky game i guess, depending on your video card, anyone can run the game despite having 512.

 

[electromagnetic]

I will try Timeshift, but what about bioshock. ?

Wonder why you can play with only 512 ram. ?

 

[Tha General]

The system requirements for games are not always accurate. Timeshift i can play with ease at 1024x768 everything on medium, shadows off, i get around 25-30fps. Which is great. On my 6200 card i can't play the game too great.

Bioshock LOL, even with folks with more powerful computers then me, they get 12fps, thats how much i get. The game is unplayable and terrible with a 2400 card card.

But your computer is more powerful then my computer, with your PCI card you should be able to play timeshift without any trouble with your 6200.

 

[electromagnetic]

For all NVIDIA users look at this when I downloaded the new driver from Nvidia.

Check it out.

http://www.steampowered.com/nvidia/

Portal demo.

you can also get HALF LIFE 2 lost Coast without needing the Half Life 2 game

:grinthumb

 

[Tha General]

I don't believe these new PCI cards is going to come out in the united states anytime soon, abltron still haven't added their 8400 GS or 8600GT pci cards yet. I have been sending them emails, but now they are not replying back. I don't know what is going on, but when i fly out to maryland soon, i will try my best to be able to order the card and have it shipped, so i hope in a few weeks i will have one of them.

But i do hope albtron hurry up and find a us seller and start releasing these cards, on newegg, bestbuy, whatever.

 

[Tha General]

Also i have a question, should i go out and buy the Diamond StealthX1550 to do some testing and see how it is against the 6200 PCI card?

The 6200 OC PCI card is wonderful, but until the new pci cards come out, i was seriously thinking about buying the Diamond Stealth X1550, i always trust diamond, plus their drivers always work, and it has a 128bit bus.

 

[teklord]

Diamond Stealth x1550 is the best PCI card in America, so that isn't a bad purchase if you can't wait for the Albatron 8600 GT or don't want to order the 8500 GT.

Albatron stated they would release the 8600 GT and the 8400 GS, so they probably will IMO, they are just putting people off at the moment by not releasing any information and not posting anything on the website.

I was trying to Google more info on the Albatron 8600 GT when I came across an interesting concept. I read that Albatron used to make an AGP to PCI adapter. If one could find one of these, they could use a HD 3850 in their PCI slot, and that would be awesome IMO. Anyone know if this can be purchased still?

 

[Tha General]

I will look into the adapter. And you know its great the people still use pci for stuff and gaming also. If you have the right computer setup, pci cards can handle alot of stuff. Those new pci cards are worth the wait tho, but in the mean time i will try to get the Diamond Stealth X1550 and see how it is.

 

[Tha General]

I found this picture:

Interesting it says the PCI card, the 8600 one is SLI, hmmmmm

EDIT:

http://www.albatron.com.tw/English/product/vga/pro_detail.asp?rlink=Specification&no=249

The 8600 PCI card, looks like a good sign we will see these cards in stores soon, i hope lol. I want one bad.

 

[teklord]

Don't bother emailing Albatron about the 8400 GS because their lack of response about the PCI cards release means they are coming out soon and don't want to bother replying to redundant questions.

The AGP to PCI converter is called ATOP in case anyone can find one. 8600 GT looks awesome, but an HD 3850 AGP in a PCI slot is probably more powerful. If I can't locate an ATOP, I'll probably invest in a 8600 GT. Here is the reply I got back from Albatron regarding the ATOP.

Dear Sir :

ATOP is phase-out product. If you have such request, please contact with our contributor.

Where to buy Albatron Product
http://www.albatron.com.tw/english/service/where2buy/where2buy_index.asp

Note: We do not suggest / quarantee other brand of VGA card with Albatron A-Top.

Thank you for contacting Albatron technical support.
Technical Service Dept.
Albatron Technology CO., LTD

 

[Tha General]

That will be hard to find for sure. Btw, yea the new pci cards from albatron should be out soon, i wonder did robert find a US seller yet.

Btw, teklord what PCI card are you using now, the FX5500 or something else?
You ever had the diamond stealth X1550?

 

[teklord]

That will be hard to find for sure. Btw, yea the new pci cards from albatron should be out soon, i wonder did robert find a US seller yet.

Btw, teklord what PCI card are you using now, the FX5500 or something else?
You ever had the diamond stealth X1550?

I'm using a FX 5500 for internet purposes only, I got rid of the 8500 GT because it made it too easy to play games on my PC and I want to focus on other things. I'll pick up the 8600 GT later, maybe even if I can score an ATOP, as there is no guarantee it will work.

Never had Diamond Stealth x1550, but if you get one, don't OC it, as your system is barely powered enough as it is. Diamond Stealth x1550 isn't a bad choice, but I recommend ordering the 8600 GT as it is far more powerful. I wouldn't worry about it being shipped over, it should be okay, request extra shipping protection and shock absorption to prevent any damage to the card.

Thx 4 the heads up on the 8600 GT on the Albatron site. Hope to order one directly somehow, but they won't relay that info to me.

Also, the memory clock on the 8600 GT is listed at 800 MHz when it should be 1400 MHz IMO. 800 MHz corresponds to the 8500 GT PCI & PCI-E versions' memory clock, while the PCI-E 8600 GT is at 1400 MHz and my feeling is that the Albatron listing is a typo. Ne1 out there confirm this. Thanks all

 

[Tha General]

Who knows, they had the 8500 at 1GHZ at one point, but they change it. Also, the card looks completely different from the early model. I am exicted about these cards tho, hope to see them in stores or newegg or just on sale soon.

 

[teklord]

Who knows, they had the 8500 at 1GHZ at one point, but they change it. Also, the card looks completely different from the early model. I am exicted about these cards tho, hope to see them in stores or newegg or just on sale soon.

That's true, they reneged on the 8500 GT memory clock as well. Considering the Sparkle 8500 GT uses DDR II and the Albatron 8500 GT uses DDR III, 1 GHz would not surprise me, maybe the only way to find out is to order one.

If everyone would click on the Newegg link I provided in a previous post in this thread and request the Albatron PCI card of your choice (preferably the 8600 GT PCI), they would be receiving positive feedback to carry it and might do so if enough people requested it.

When I Google the ATOP, it is coming back AGP to PCI-e, but I saw a picture yesterday of a AGP to PCI interface with the GPU in the adapter. If I find it again, I will post it here to prove this once existed, if it hasn't already been phased out like Albatron said.

 

[electromagnetic]

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8922/hl2lostcoastglitchmo1.jpg



This is a problem with the Pny 6200 card is this the same with Half-Life lost coast.

Tha General do you get glitches in Timeshift ?

 

[Tha General]

If everyone would click on the Newegg link I provided in a previous post in this thread and request the Albatron PCI card of your choice (preferably the 8600 GT PCI), they would be receiving positive feedback to carry it and might do so if enough people requested it..

Yea i only seen a agp to pci-e adapter too. Also, i will send in that information to newegg soon. Alot of people buy pci cards from newegg almost everyday, so if albatron did release the cards say to newegg, bestbuy, walmart, they will make plenty of money.

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8922/hl2lostcoastglitchmo1.jpg

This is a problem with the Pny 6200 card is this the same with Half-Life lost coast.[/QUOTE]

Picture looks good, i see some spots tho. What driver version are you using, because if you are using anything in the 175. or 177 the card won't work correctly. Use the driver 81.98 or 165.02 or anything in the 165 series, and make sure its WHQL. It may help, i know i got a big performance boost with using the older drivers, rather then the new ones.

[Tha General do you get glitches in Timeshift ?

I am not using my 6200 anymore, went back to the 2400 , so playing timeshift on the 2400 i have no problems. Using the 2400, black spots will appear sometimes when playing timeshift, and slowness at times. The 6200 can't really handle timeshift correctly, but your computer is more powerful then mine, so download the demo and check it out.

Also here is some videos i recorded with the 6200 playing timeshift:

http://www.youtube.com/u2knetwork

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaGJ85G7Y8A

Look closely here, you will see those black spots that appear, i really didn't care about it, the game is too fun