So you only have PCI slots and want to game?

Tha General said:
those games had no problem playing with my fx5500. Its only 2 of them thus far, and 4 other racing games which i own
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The FX5500 PCI has a 128-Bit Bus Width while the HD 2400 PRO has a 64-Bit Bus Width [Which you already know]. This is what's limiting your game play.

Therefore the X1550 PRO PCI is in favor.
 
The diamond X15500 Pro PCI is hard to find in stores, but if i come across it, i will be sure to check it out and test it out. Infact, i guess the only 2 cards which i can buy and test out if i come across it, is the X1550 or the 8500GT.

Btw, that issue only seems to happen with certain games, not all.

Peace

But hold up, despite the 128bit bus, wouldn't i be downgrading if i go from the 2400 hd pro to the diamond x1550? Is the 1550 faster and more powerful or something?
 
That pci coller looks like a pci card but with a hanging fan on the side of it.
here look at my card got it back from PNY today.

I got faded pci slots on my modem card.
 

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Why do people need a pci cooler anyway?

My 2400 HD Pro never really goes up to 50c, right now its at 39c , when playing games for about an 1 or 2 hours, the card goes up to 43c 49c. Thats pretty good. Also room temp are always important, if its cool in your home, well your computer tower + plus card will be cool.

I also reposition my video card in my first PCI Slot. So i think by changing it and not happening anything else in there, my GPU always stay cool.
 
Using Fraps got 20 to 40 fps. for Quake 4.

How do you add a picture to the message here, instead of attaching a picture.



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OK well I upgraded to the latest nVidia driver, then tried a bit more OC on the 8500GT and pushed the GPU clock up to 690. 3dMar03 ran OK, few artefacts during the ragtroll but otherwise OK, here is the result

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What is a PCI 2.2 Interface?
Whats the difference between the rest of them, because i bought a xtreme soundcard from diamon and the bus is completely different from the other pci bus, but the card fit find in my slot.
 
oooooooh ok . thanks. I have to take the card back tho haha, my PIII/600MHZ cant handle it. It sounds beautiful, but my games, videos, OMG slow slow and slow haha. I am going to buy the Dynex card and see how it works.
 
Tha General said:
oooooooh ok . thanks. I have to take the card back tho haha, my PIII/600MHZ cant handle it. It sounds beautiful, but my games, videos, OMG slow slow and slow haha. I am going to buy the Dynex card and see how it works.
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You might want to look at pci latency , as some cards grab more cycles. Google the PCI latency tool,
 
The sound card issue is fix. I just install the drivers, nothing else. Seems like if i install all of the extra crap, it slows down my computer.

But anyways, it looks like i will have to get rid of my 2400 HD PRO. Its either too weak or too powerful for my computer. I can't even play some of my older games anymore, they wont load, or they are too slow. Too slow? The game is lagging at the highest settings with older 2000 and 2002 and 2001 games.

I never had this problem using my FX5500, they ran perfect. I notice when the bandwidth of a video card is too high , i get poor fps in older games. I was thinking it was the 64bit inferface, but its not. I am going to buy the X1550 or Diamond 9250 or 8500GT PCI version, if i can find it and see how it works.

But this is really starting to tick me. I want all of my games too work. The 2400 can run some of the newer games, but my CPU is only a PIII/600. The best GPU i have that never had any major problems was the 5500. Only problem with that card, its not really that powerful with some of the newer games, but i can play all of my games just fine.
 
So look the bottom line is like this, i am just going back to use my 5500 and be on the hunt for the Diamond x1550 or the 8500 or even the 5600 PCI version card. If i am not able to find any of them, i will just keep my 5500 for my games which i can play with ease and those which i cant play, i will look forward to playing on my secondary computer. The 2400 HD pro is either too weak or too powerful and as a result runs old games at crap speeds.

Peace
 
Tha General said:
So look the bottom line is like this, i am just going back to use my 5500 and be on the hunt for the Diamond x1550 or the 8500 or even the 5600 PCI version card. If i am not able to find any of them, i will just keep my 5500 for my games which i can play with ease and those which i cant play, i will look forward to playing on my secondary computer. The 2400 HD pro is either too weak or too powerful and as a result runs old games at crap speeds.

Peace
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the 2400HD PRO is not that strong of a card even in the PCI-e version. I would not one recommend one to anyone that does anything graphical on the computer.
 
I wouldn't expect too much of a performance increase with that Albatron card due to the limitations of the PCI bus, but it'd still provide decent enough performance, especially for HD video acceleration.
 
electromagnetic said:
How much ram can you upgrade to ?

Also why are you having problems with your PCI card ?
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Well first, i have 2 choices now for this computer which i am using, 2 GPU left to choose from. Either the 8500 GT or the 8600 or 8400 GPU, so i hope to get one.

Anyway, the 2400 HD pro card is either too powerful or too lame to work with. I can hardly play about 70% of all of my games that i own. I can even play some of the simple ones at good speed. for example with Unreal II, i get around 11-12fps on the 2400 HD card, but switching back to the perfect FX5500 card i get around 19-30. Big difference. I don't know whats wrong with the 2400 hd pro, but it struggles on my rig. Maybe using a P3/600mhz/512 megs of ram is a problem with the card, but until i find the 8400 or 8600 or 8500GT, i will just use the FX5500.

Anyways, i think for my rig i only can use 512megs of ram which i am using now.
 
Tha General said:
Well first, i have 2 choices now for this computer which i am using, 2 GPU left to choose from. Either the 8500 GT or the 8600 or 8400 GPU, so i hope to get one.

Anyway, the 2400 HD pro card is either too powerful or too lame to work with. I can hardly play about 70% of all of my games that i own. I can even play some of the simple ones at good speed. for example with Unreal II, i get around 11-12fps on the 2400 HD card, but switching back to the perfect FX5500 card i get around 19-30. Big difference. I don't know whats wrong with the 2400 hd pro, but it struggles on my rig. Maybe using a P3/600mhz/512 megs of ram is a problem with the card, but until i find the 8400 or 8600 or 8500GT, i will just use the FX5500.

Anyways, i think for my rig i only can use 512megs of ram which i am using now.
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General, your woes are proof of what I was postulating previously, that the 64-bit memory bandwidth halves the performance specs of the card. That means any 64-bit video card you see, take the specs they list and divide them in two and that is what you get in comparison to a 128-bit bandwidth card. I suspected obtaining a 64-bit video card was a waste of time and your case proves me right.

I personally hope to procure a 8600 GT in the future as it looks like a significant step forward over the 8500 GT. I sold my 8500 GT on eBay and got a refund anyways, so it isn't like I am throwing away money on PCI video cards when I could be putting that money towards a rig with PCI-E 2.0 slots. Hopefully, it will be available here in the States, if not, I may simply order it from overseas like I did the 8500 GT. Hopefully, Albatron will price it reasonably, no more than a $100 dollars or so, as the 8500 GT was WAY overpriced for what you got (I paid around $150 dollars or so). The same card is about 50 dollars or less on PCI-E slots. PCI interface is a huge bottleneck, so I wouldn't expect to run Crysis on full settings, but this will help those stuck on PCI slots like myself even further to be current.

General, as slow and old as your system is, I wouldn't expect any games past circa 2003 to work very well at all without being a slideshow. You keep running games and telling they don't work when there is no way your system can handle them based on the specs you provide. You might want to upgrade your CPU as well, I myself wanted to upgrade from a 2.8 GHz Celeron to a 3.06 P4 HT. Check the pin type on the mobo and make sure it matches, but I would look at that as that will make a huge difference as well.
 
Tha General said:
I don't know whats wrong with the 2400 hd pro, but it struggles on my rig. Maybe using a P3/600mhz/512 megs of ram is a problem with the card
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Of course it is. Since it's a P3, I assume you're using SD RAM. That poses a serious bottleneck on its own, aside from the low CPU and FSB frequency.
 
Request Albatron 8600 GT be carried by Newegg

I sent a request to Newegg that they carry the Albatron 8600 GT. I originally was going to request the 8500 GT, but when I saw the Albatron 8600 GT and compared the PCI-E versions on gpureview.com, I noticed the 8600 GT was much better in performance specs, so the 8500 GT is now moot. I went to this --->link<--- and requested the Albatron 8600 GT and I ask all you guys with PCI slots to do the same. I also copied and pasted the Fudzilla link which had info on the 8600 GT into the Newegg form.

The Sparkle 8500 GT isn't even sold in America and the same may be true for the Albatron 8600 so requesting it from Newegg, who has respectable prices and service is a smart thing to do IMHO. This is a suggestion so maybe we can all pay less on shipping it in from Taiwan or wherever it will be sold. Thx all
 
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