Sony unveils the PlayStation 4, coming this holiday season

shamus087

TS Enthusiast
8GB "GDDR5"? The GeForce Titan only has 6GB. This thing could blow all gaming PCs out of the water.
The 7970 has 3gb of GDDR5. My 680 has 2gb of ram and it's the same speed as the 7970. The 680 with 4gb is barely faster than the 680 with 2gb. The amount of ram is not what counts for a GPU.
That depends on the resolution. Lower resolution and you're correct. Higher and you need more memory. You notice this with the benchmarks with 680 @2gigs onboard vs 7970 @3gigs, the 7970 does better at higher the resolution vs the 680.
 

NTAPRO

TS Evangelist
I thought people cared more about gameplay than graphics... At least that what it seems like when people complain about games like COD

I must be living under a rock lol

I agree, I only PC game. But don't you think PC games are being held back, because of games being produced primarily for consoles, and not utilizing the more powerful PC's?
Of course they are but you have to realize buying a console costs far less than a gaming PC hence their popularity. Publishers are only interested in making money so they publish more games for consoles and put PC games on the back burner. When they're asked about this they always cite: 1. PC game piracy is too rampant. 2. There are far to many PC configurations to be able to cater for all of them.
While I tend to agree somewhat with their 2nd statement, the 1st one has gotten old very quickly.
It may be old, but it's not as if it isn't true. You don't see console games setting piracy records in illegal downloads >_>
 

LNCPapa

TS Special Forces
I care about both. I can play old and crappy looking games for nostalgic reason, but if it's modern then it better try to blow me away both graphically and gameplay wise.
 
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danhodge

TS Member
People don't notice it, but better graphics can improve the immersion for the player. But if the game sucks, then - well, that's an example of painting a turd to look like a cake.
It wont taste any better, but more people will buy it.

The main thing is scale. You may be able to get better graphics on screen at one time, but what is better is the chance to have more graphics on screen at once. More players, bigger worlds, massive wars, and more...
 

NTAPRO

TS Evangelist
But people talk about consoles games like they are just so bad lol. I'm all for graphics, but even for the graphic heavy games like BF3 and split/second, I don't think I'd enjoy it any less on console just because it doesn't have super ultra high settings that a pc takes advantage of. I just don't think the average family sees a decent gaming rig as a worthwhile investment when there are consoles out there that at least 2 of them and enjoy games at one time.
 

Skidmarksdeluxe

TS Evangelist
I thought people cared more about gameplay than graphics... At least that what it seems like when people complain about games like COD

I must be living under a rock lol


It may be old, but it's not as if it isn't true. You don't see console games setting piracy records in illegal downloads >_>
Absolutely, but that isn't to say console games don't get pirated, they do, but on a smaller scale. There are thousands of unsavory characters willing to 'chip' consoles and how many consoles do get 'chipped'?
It's a great pity that legitimate owners and players are treated like criminals while the pirates walk away wearing smiles like cheshire cats.
 

NTAPRO

TS Evangelist
Yeah, it can get pretty bad. Black Ops 2 was pirated pretty heavily and Treyarch and sony are very serious on the matter and aren't hesitating to ban people. I know there was quite a few soft modded consoles, especially when geohot was active before being taken down by sony
 

Skidmarksdeluxe

TS Evangelist
But people talk about consoles games like they are just so bad lol. I'm all for graphics, but even for the graphic heavy games like BF3 and split/second, I don't think I'd enjoy it any less on console just because it doesn't have super ultra high settings that a pc takes advantage of. I just don't think the average family sees a decent gaming rig as a worthwhile investment when there are consoles out there that at least 2 of them and enjoy games at one time.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with consoles or console gaming. I'm just sick & tired of having the pc take a back seat when it comes to games.
 
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killeriii

TS Enthusiast
Okay and I still have my original xbox 360 from 8 years ago and it is working beautifully; in contrast I went through 3 ps2 in that consoles lifetime... you can throw out subjective allegories all you want but hardware failure happens... TO EVERY CONSOLE.
I'm not sure if you're trolling or just ignorant.
I'm leaning towards trolling based on your "Guest" status. I'll humor you anyway.
Current consoles are lemons compared to their older counterparts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_technical_problems
http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=ps3+ylod&oq=ps3+ylod&gs_l=serp.3..0l4.12075.13657.1.14760.5.3.0.2.2.0.121.354.0j3.3.0.les;..0.0...1c.1.4.psy-ab.zO-JIxHeCcc&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=40da3377a7b91932&biw=1368&bih=783
No subjective allegories here eh?
I've personally never heard of a Super Nintendo failing on its own.

And honestly quit whining about having to buy new games, Sony never said that the ps4 was going to be backwards compatible, so the blame for investing in the current generation is yours alone. You obviously can still play them now and you have been able to, so it's not as if you bought them and never got to use them.
I don't recall mentioning anything about purchasing new games.
"Guess I'll just need a PC powerful enough to emulate it!" is what I posted. Relating to playing my purchased games in the future.
Since it looks like you missed my point,
My issue is with the crappy hardware, not the lack of backward compatibility.
 
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Controlled sucked on ps1 and now they are still using the same piece of poop. Who cares about the hardware when the peripherals haven't changed in 10+ years. I would actually buy a play station if they innovated there controler design.
 

St1ckM4n

TS Evangelist
..And this is the moment we all realise that we've been softly and beautifully trolled by Sony.

There wasn't even a hint that this was gameplay. Not a single 5 second piece where someone on stage used the new controller to play a tech demo. By the way, even if this did happen, there is no reason why it couldn't have been a PC behind the scenes.

tl;dr everything is a lie until proven otherwise.
 

dennis777

TS Enthusiast
"its like buying an xbox360 even you have a ps3"

How can anyone possibly understand? This makes no sense. It's not even a real sentence.
you cant coz you have little common sense. If I have tons of PS3 games why would I buy another console if it cant play my games for that console? Im comparing it to "buying a xbox3 even you already have a PS3". And im talking about the PS4 that cant play PS3 games by the same company who made it. dont bash if you dont want to be bash.
 
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Meh, 499 won't be a deal breaker. Hell, people are spending that (and more) for iPads and Android Tablets so they can play Angry Birds and browse the web. This is going to be a very interesting system to follow, the reports I've read on the 720 are it will not be up to the tasks of this machine graphically.
 

soldier1969

TS Booster
My current gaming PC puts this invisible PS4 to shame ( 2 GTX 680s 4gb,512 GB SSD,,i7 @ 4.8 ghz, 2560 x 1600 display), Everyone here is clamoring over specs and games my PC had and could play 2 years ago. I saw lots of lag in the games which were mostly cut scenes running on last years pc hardware btw, and the bandwidth for the presentation was really laggy hardly watchable at times. Consoles lol.
 
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cmbjive

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My current gaming PC puts this invisible PS4 to shame ( 2 GTX 680s 4gb,512 GB SSD,,i7 @ 4.8 ghz, 2560 x 1600 display), Everyone here is clamoring over specs and games my PC had and could play 2 years ago. I saw lots of lag in the games which were mostly cut scenes running on last years pc hardware btw, and the bandwidth for the presentation was really laggy hardly watchable at times. Consoles lol.
Your one GTX 680 card is probably more than what the PS4 will retail for. In fact, your entire system could probably nab me three PS4s.
 

Sarcasm

TS Guru
@ShawnKnight
"On a performance level, we are told that the system is capable of rendering 30,000 polygons in real time. For comparison, Heavy Rain on the PlayStation 3 utilized just 15,000 polygons."

Seriously, you need to edit this part out. The presentation showed the PS3 is doing 30,000 polygons in the game Beyond Two Souls for the main character.

The PS4 can probably do something million per character, we don't know yet.
 

Sarcasm

TS Guru
My current gaming PC puts this invisible PS4 to shame ( 2 GTX 680s 4gb,512 GB SSD,,i7 @ 4.8 ghz, 2560 x 1600 display), Everyone here is clamoring over specs and games my PC had and could play 2 years ago. I saw lots of lag in the games which were mostly cut scenes running on last years pc hardware btw, and the bandwidth for the presentation was really laggy hardly watchable at times. Consoles lol.
I don't get how people can be so smart to have such good systems, yet be filled with ridiculous amounts of ignorance and douchebaggery.

Humans, what a waste.
 
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Burty117

TechSpot Chancellor
..And this is the moment we all realise that we've been softly and beautifully trolled by Sony.

There wasn't even a hint that this was gameplay. Not a single 5 second piece where someone on stage used the new controller to play a tech demo. By the way, even if this did happen, there is no reason why it couldn't have been a PC behind the scenes.

tl;dr everything is a lie until proven otherwise.
Did you even watch the Killzone Stream? The guy was on stage actually playing it with a Controller -_- same with Knack as well, in fact he came on stage with a PS Vita playing the game.
 

shamus087

TS Enthusiast
False. Far Cry 3: https://www.techspot.com/review/615-far-cry-3-performance/page5.html
The 680 beats the 7970 at all three resolutions on Ultra quality.
Actually its not false, how about looking through a few reviews rather than just one? Here ya go bra, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-titan-performance-review,3442-5.html

So what we learn here is that at lower resolutions the 680 holds or wins over the 7970, at higher the game uses more memory because of larger resolution textures, thus, 3 gigs GDDR5 is better than 2 gigs. Look here for more proof > http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-titan-performance-review,3442-3.html