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Sony video compares PlayStation 5 performance against PS4 Pro

By midian182 · 21 replies
May 21, 2019
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  1. The showcase was part of Sony’s Corporate Strategy Meeting, which was attended by the Wall Street Journal’s Takashi Mochizuki. He tweeted a video that demonstrates how much difference the PS5’s SSD makes to loading times. The developer version of the machine loads Marvel’s Spider-Man in under one second, whereas the PS4 Pro takes just over eight seconds.

    We also see the PS5’s ability to render scenes at a faster rate, thereby allowing objects and textures to appear quickly, avoiding the pop-in effect.

    While Sony offered few specific new details about the PS5, it did say it will bring "completely transformative and immersive gaming experiences," adding that the two keywords for the future direction of PlayStation were "immersive" and "seamless."

    The gaming giant also mentioned its mission to leverage the latest computing, streaming, cloud, and 5G technologies, part of which relates to the recently announced Sony/Microsoft strategic partnership that will develop better game streaming services. Sony added that the evolution of Remote Play and PlayStation Now will provide a seamless game experience anytime, anywhere.

    In addition to SSD storage, the PS5’s lead architect, Mark Cerny, said the PS5 would have 8K resolution support, ray tracing, and backward compatibility. It will feature an 8-core AMD Ryzen CPU built on its 7-nanometer Zen 2 architecture and use a custom Navi GPU. No word on a release date, but it won’t be before April 2020.

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  2. QuantumPhysics

    QuantumPhysics TS Evangelist Posts: 1,180   +859

    "Loading games over ten times faster" is simply a function of moving to a fast SSD over an HDD.

    I'm more interested in better gameplay and more exciting titles to play.
     
    Fearghast, Karlos95, qking and 5 others like this.
  3. Sabby

    Sabby TS Rookie

    Agreed; couldn't one achieve a similar performance improvement by replacing the HDD in the PS4 Pro with an SSD?
     
    Fearghast, Karlos95 and qking like this.
  4. adisoftcafe

    adisoftcafe TS Booster Posts: 49   +30

    No, I use a Crucial SSD 1 TB and the loading times are cut by 30 to 50%. No way 10 times faster.
     
    Theinsanegamer and gamoniac like this.
  5. kira setsu

    kira setsu TS Addict Posts: 127   +107

    Sweet, an 8 core cpu is at the heart of it, seems my 3770k cant retire yet, let us go onward into the future old friend!!!
     
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  6. QuantumPhysics

    QuantumPhysics TS Evangelist Posts: 1,180   +859

    "8K resolution support" means nothing.

    Please tell us: How many FPS will that 8K resolution be.

    And is that for the videos or for the games?

    And please also tell me: who out there has an 8K TV or monitor in 2019?
     
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  7. QuantumPhysics

    QuantumPhysics TS Evangelist Posts: 1,180   +859

    I have a Crucial 1TB and a 2TB SATA - limited to SATA speed.

    M.2 SSD will load in 5 or 6 seconds what a SATA SSD takes 10 seconds to load. My guess is their built in SSD is even faster than M.2.
     
    Fearghast and Godel like this.
  8. elementalSG

    elementalSG TS Booster Posts: 109   +90

    I have a feeling there must also be some other things like pre-caching, much faster AMD CPU, etc. that Sony must be using rather than just pure storage bus M.2/PCI-E 3.0 x4 to make it 10X faster. I actually did an experiment by putting a 8 x SATA SSD array into a SAN and connected my gaming PC to it with 10Gb Ethernet via iSCSI. This way I could actually see how much time was actually spent loading off the SSDs by watching how long the 10GbE network adapter was in use, knowing I had a 10Gb/s speed limit. I was surprised how little time is actually spent loading Final Fantasy XV off the SSDs on the SAN to memory vs waiting on the CPU (when there was no network activity seen in Task Manager) after this experiment.
     
  9. Evernessince

    Evernessince TS Evangelist Posts: 3,913   +3,364

    About time they added an SSD. Very late to the party.
     
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  10. Ravalo

    Ravalo TS Member Posts: 48   +12

    The 8 core cpu might be a custom ryzen 5 cpu, since there are rumors that the new ryzen 5 cpus will have 8 cores instead of 6
     
  11. ZackL04

    ZackL04 TS Guru Posts: 520   +252

    No because the ps4 main board has a max transfer speed limit
     
  12. ghostf1re

    ghostf1re TS Guru Posts: 414   +264

    I love how SSD's are now looked at as some revolutionary tech for gaming, yet we have had them out in the wild for years now. Only since PS5 is going to include them it becomes "revolutionary". I guess my computer has been "revolutionary" for the better part of a decade.
     
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  13. cldmstrsn

    cldmstrsn TS Addict Posts: 177   +126

    this leads to more immersive gameplay though which leads to better gameplay and exciting titles. no more pop in? **** yes
     
  14. Theinsanegamer

    Theinsanegamer TS Evangelist Posts: 1,529   +1,739

    No, because the PS4's filesystem and software/games are not set up to take advantage of a SSD, and bottlenecks like crazy. Either that or the PS4 hardware royally sucks at SATA performance.

    https://pcper.com/2013/11/playstation-4-ps4-hdd-sshd-and-ssd-performance-testing/
    https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ps4-hard-drive-upgrade,3695-3.html
     
  15. Theinsanegamer

    Theinsanegamer TS Evangelist Posts: 1,529   +1,739

    Nah. There will still be pop in, because developers will just use that extra storage bandwidth to push even higher resolution textures that you wont be able to see in gameplay, or as an excuse to simply not optimize texture loading at ALL.

    Just like with RAM, we went from 256 MB to 8GB. Game developers could have used this to completely eliminate load times while dramatically increasing world size, instead they used it to render strands of hard between loading screens, or how increasing GPU speed is used for higher polygon count character models instead of more consistent framerates and lower latency, or how increased storage size was used as an excuse to not compress game files, and instead use 100GB for a single game install, or how internet connections are used to push broken unfinished games instead of primarily adding content, ece.

    Game developers and publishers will inevitably use conveniences to make the experience worse, not better.
     
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  16. axiomatic13

    axiomatic13 TS Maniac Posts: 217   +155

    America is behind. Sony is a Japanese company and they've been on 8k for some time now. America is big and our capitalism is a hamper to these kinds of changes. When the US 4k content started Japan had already had it for a few years.
     
  17. m3tavision

    m3tavision TS Maniac Posts: 238   +167

    Comcast STILL CHARGES EXTRA FOR 1080P... then doesn't even give you that on all their channels and OTA has better quality and it is free.

    Also…. You PAY for Comcast, so why are you watching commercials..?
     
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  18. pencea

    pencea TS Maniac Posts: 167   +119


    This is why it's touted.


    Cerny also demonstrates the benefits of an SSD when it comes to loading in the visuals of a new area on something like the expansive open world of Spider-Man. Well, as expansive as the Manhattan cityscape can be, anyways.

    The Wired piece says Sony hasn’t given any technical details about the SSD itself, such as who makes the controller or NAND flash memory, or even whether it’s using the PCIe 4.0 interface, but does say that “it has a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs.
     
  19. erickmendes

    erickmendes TS Evangelist Posts: 567   +246

    There will be 8K Pong for PS5.
     
  20. Edito

    Edito TS Booster Posts: 98   +31

    You know Sony deliver games do you? And they always did and will keep doing... Now since we can take that for granted it's time to move on and improve other aspects of the experience and trust me loading times are far more important than it looks and will improve gameplay to a great extent... and the experience overall...
     
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  21. urbanman2004

    urbanman2004 TS Booster Posts: 89   +27

    A great time to be alive as a spectator in the tech world.
     
  22. QuantumPhysics

    QuantumPhysics TS Evangelist Posts: 1,180   +859


    I haven't been happy with SONY since Playstation 2 launched without sequels of my favorite PS1 games.

    I went to Xbox and NEVER looked back.

    I expected the PS2 launch titles - or first/ second year titles - to resemble what Singletrac gave me: Warhawk, Twisted Metal... I wanted a Guncon game ...

    It took so long for the games I wanted to come to Playstation 2 that I gave up on it entirely.

    I went to Xbox specifically for Soldier of Fortune II and ended up getting Halo and a whole lot more with better looking graphics.

    And now I'm disappointed with both PS and Xbox so I moved to PC gaming. It's a lot more expensive but the pay off is much better.
     
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2019

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