SpaceX successfully launches Falcon Heavy rocket for the first time

wiyosaya

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So how much poop can a Beetle re-toot ,if a Beetle can re-toot poop.?

there's a guy that don't mind a honest days work.

remarkable critter as I remember. can take a bunch of times its own weight and take off with it ,without breakin a sweat, and its defence mechanism. flips over on its back and defecates. when it feels threatened , not much will eat him ,waits until the coast is clear. flips back over and carries on..
Sounds like what Musk did with that Tesla he launched.
 
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wiyosaya

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And I suppose Musk would claim he's, "expanding the frontiers of science and enriching our lives", by allowing us to Facebook with the Martian living dead. :D There's no need. I think most of them have joined Techspot over the past six months.

By golly, were at post #105, without a single accusation of "click baiting", being directed @Shawn Knight ! That's likely some sort of major milestone!
And no "what's this got to do with tech" cries! Miraculous!
 
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Boilerhog146

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. You don't have the wisdom or intelligence to figure that out on your own.



I'd like to feed my cats now. By your leave, of course. :p
I love cats .and other animals .around home ,their demands are simple , not unreasonable at all.
but the top statement is one that can be used on 98% of the people I meet just about anywhere in life. meaning,, no matter how much education ,experience ,knowledge,smarts or what ever word can be used to describe it. a person can obtain even if they are a career student until the day they die,,doesn't necessarily mean a person will retain an ounce of wisdom. most will go through the whole of their existence , and become the most intelligent,wealthiest person on the planet. and still never know what it means to be wise, the dung beetle is all ready more wise than most , and if that insults anyone , only proves the point.
wisdom ! you either get it, or you don't, you don't get to choose. a thought to ponder.

The path to enlightenment is wrought with peril ,very few ever make it.
 
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Boilerhog146

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Sounds like what Musk did with that Tesla he launched.
that's what musk does with every thing.he's not the only one...our planet is covered with his ILK .

What is this guy anyway, a scientist? Engineer.tech expert ,,I guess I'll have to go look it up.
to get the honest answer. he seems to be a good used car salesman.could sell ice cubes to an Eskimo.
 
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Boilerhog146

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And no "what's this got to do with tech" cries! Miraculous!
Techspot seems to have become as much a news site as a tech site.had the article been about the tech that allowed this accomplishment. I would tend to agree more . however the article is about the event itself.nothing to do with tech..
 
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wiyosaya

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Techspot seems to have become as much a news site as a tech site.had the article been about the tech that allowed this accomplishment. I would tend to agree more . however the article is about the event itself.nothing to do with tech..
I really had not thought about it that way, but I have to agree.
 
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wiyosaya

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that's what musk does with every thing.he's not the only one...our planet is covered with his ILK .

What is this guy anyway, a scientist? Engineer.tech expert ,,I guess I'll have to go look it up.
to get the honest answer. he seems to be a good used car salesman.could sell ice cubes to an Eskimo.
When you made that post about the dung beetle behavior, it really did remind me of Musk's behavior. I really think that he made the decision to launch Falcon Heavy the day before the Tesla earnings report because it would, and did, for all intents and purposes, mask the Tesla earnings report. So, launch some poop to cover your fear, and the earnings report was drowned out by the launch. I had to search for it, but I found the earnings report which was yet another loss. http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-earnings-q4-2017-2018-2 Unlike the fact that nothing will eat the dung beetle when it poops out of fear, it seems that most ate the poop of the Falcon Heavy launch.

I'm sorry to say this for those Musk fans in the thread, but I really wonder how long he can continue this shell game of his, and if his faking it will, in the end, turn out with him making it.

I know that companies like Toyota have said that they are researching new battery technology and plan on transforming their product line starting around 2020 to be primarily EVs and hybrids. In my opinion, the research is where the real money will be found. Toyota, and other companies that have announced similar research, are delaying earning the profit while doing research in an effort to make a better product. Musk, on the other hand, is trying to take the profit now and pouring tons of money into a battery plant that will produce currently available battery technology.

There has been a lot of research on the most successful people, and those that are truly successful are those that can delay gratification. Those companies researching how to make better batteries are the ones delaying the gratification, and if they do produce commercial batteries that exceed what is currently available, they probably will leave Tesla in the dust. There have been quite a few laboratory developments in battery technology recently, and the next step with that, which is what I assume that those companies like Toyota are exploring, is finding a way to produce them in a commercially viable fashion.

Musk has a BS in physics and a BS in economics. He was accepted into Stanford as a PhD student in applied physics and materials science, but dropped out after two days - yes - two days - to pursue his business interests. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk#Education

I love cats .and other animals .around home ,their demands are simple , not unreasonable at all.
but the top statement is one that can be used on 98% of the people I meet just about anywhere in life. meaning,, no matter how much education ,experience ,knowledge,smarts or what ever word can be used to describe it. a person can obtain even if they are a career student until the day they die,,doesn't necessarily mean a person will retain an ounce of wisdom. most will go through the whole of their existence , and become the most intelligent,wealthiest person on the planet. and still never know what it means to be wise, the dung beetle is all ready more wise than most , and if that insults anyone , only proves the point.
wisdom ! you either get it, or you don't, you don't get to choose. a thought to ponder.

The path to enlightenment is wrought with peril ,very few ever make it.
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Boilerhog146

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Thanks for that ,saved me going looking. like I thought out loud ,educated but not much more.. I'd rather be a little bit wise than a lot educated.anyday.
but that's just how I think..
 
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@wiyosaya that is quite a read, the Wiki article. On subsidies to Musk it states:

Musk's statements have been widely criticized, with Stanford University Professor Fred Turner noting that "if you're an entrepreneur like Elon Musk, you will take the money where you can get it, but at the same time believe as a matter of faith that it's entrepreneurship and technology that are the sources of social change, not the state. It is not quite self-delusion, but there is a habit of thinking of oneself as a free-standing, independent agent, and of not acknowledging the subsidies that one received."
Author Michael Shellenberger argued that "in the case of Musk, it is hard not to read that as a kind of defensiveness. And I think there is a business reason for it. They are dealing with a lot of investors for whom subsidies are not the basis for a long-term viable business, and they often want to exaggerate the speed with which they are going to be able to become independent." Shellenberger continues, "we would all be better off if these entrepreneurs were a bit more grateful, a bit more humble." While journalist and author Jim Motavalli, who interviewed Musk for High Voltage, his 2011 book about the electric vehicle industry, speculated that "Elon is now looking at it from the point of view of a winner, and he doesn't want to see other people win because they get government money – I do think there is a tendency of people, once they have succeeded, to want to pull the ladder up after them."

In 2015, Musk's statements were subject to further scrutiny when an LA Times article claimed that SpaceX, Tesla, SolarCity and buyers of their products had or were projected to receive together an estimated US$4.9 billion in government subsidies over twenty years. One example given is New York state, which is spending $750 million to build a solar panel factory in Buffalo which will be leased to SolarCity for $1 a year. The deal also includes no property taxes for a decade, an estimated $260 million valuation. Musk employs a former U.S. State Department official as the chief negotiator for Tesla.
 

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So would it be fair to conclude that Musk is a silver tongued parasite, who fancies portraying himself as a "victim" of big money corporate oppression, because they're afraid of his innate brilliance, since he'd easily outsmart all of "them", if they had the ballz "to fight fair". Poor Elon, the big kids probably picked on him in the schoolyard, and he found out early in life how to use that to his advantage
 

Boilerhog146

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So being neither humble nor grateful, he hires from within where he wishes to infiltrate , then lobbies aggressively,and they cut him a blankcheck,,
yes, he pulled the ladder up or he cut the rope ,securing the ladder .he wasn't planning to get back down.and certainly did not want anyone up there with him.
I'd wager in school.he saw other kids getting picked on and used that to his advantage.he then befriended a big Bully .to his advantage also .had him go collect lunch money from the other kids..1 for you ,2 for me,

It's worked for him ever since.
 
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"word seeped out that Tesla appears to be prioritizing Model 3 deliveries toward the higher-end versions with longer ranger and more options. “Standard” Model 3 deliveries are being pushed back to “late 2018, early 2019” reports Inside EVs. With Tesla at an estimated 140,000 EVs delivered to date, that leaves only 60,000 more Tesla buyers who can collect on the full $7,500 federal tax credit available to the first 200,000 buyers of EVs per auto manufacturer." It seems Tesla is prioritizing the pricier version and delaying what’s likely to be the money-losing standard Model 3, but that’s what some of us expected to happen all along.

"Anton Wahlman, one of the savviest and most articulate analysts covering Tesla (who is also shorting Tesla stock, meaning he’s placing bets TSLA will fall, not rise), said Wednesday was “the most surreal afternoon in Tesla history.” The main surprise during the 4Q 2017 financial results conference call wasn’t even that the head of sales (and service), Jon McNeill, left the company. … what happened wasn’t even covered on the conference call at all. Instead, most of us found out an hour after Tesla’s financial results call … from [reading] InsideEVs: … The $36,000 ($35,000 plus $1,000 mandatory delivery and doc fee) version of the Tesla Model 3 has been delayed by what seems like nine months, according to the source. And you know what they say when Tesla says there’s a nine-month delay? Think 18 months."

"Interestingly, even though it’s not Tesla but SpaceX — also founded by Elon Musk — that put up the Falcon Heavy rocket Tuesday, the success of one Elon Musk company (SpaceX) seems to be stabilizing the Tesla auto company. If Elon can put a heavy rocket in space (with a Tesla Roadster aboard), the surely he can make a production line run smoothly, investors seem to believe.
On the earnings call, Tesla reported it is burning through less money, says it wants to get Model 3 production up and then will turn to boosting its gross margin, reported its biggest loss ever of $675 million in the latest quarter (but making or losing money seems to have had little impact on TSLA share prices)

edit: Musk didn't start Tesla. Founded as Tesla Motors, Tesla Inc. was incorporated in July 2003 by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning who financed the company until the Series A round of funding which was 2004
 

wiyosaya

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@senketsu Thank you for the informative posts.

I really had not read that far, but it seems that there are others in the world outside of TechSpot that highly agree with my statements and assessment of Musk and his companies. I am not sure whether you agreed with me prior to this or not, however, I do not see that your agreement, or lack thereof, really matters.

Whether predictions about his businesses pan out, mine or others, remains to be seen. However, AFAIK, Toyota is not gleaning all those government subsidies, yet I still think Toyota and those doing the hard work of commercializing new battery research have a much better chance to be game-changing players in the EV/Hybrid market - long term - than Tesla and their "yesterday's battery technology" that they are trying to make cheaper through mass production. If Toyota or the others were worried about Tesla, they would be pushing crap onto the market instead of trying to produce a truly great product. IMO, Toyota, just from the fact that they will almost always initiate voluntary recalls without the government threatening them, is probably one of the most "honorable" companies in business today. I am not saying Toyota is perfect; however, I have to like a company that owns the fact that it is not perfect instead of going to court and playing CYA.

So according to others, even though Musk might be rich, his riches have not brought him wisdom. For that, it may take him losing it all for him to gain that wisdom. Good call - @Boilerhog146
 
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Scodd

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Go spew you crap in some other direction,. We're in no obligation to even answer your posts, let alone have a time demand attached to it.

Musk is a charlatan and a carnival barker. You don't have the wisdom or intelligence to figure that out on your own. He's a parasite making billions off of companies which perpetually lose money.

I think one of our members pointed out earlier, "there's' a lot of boot lickers in this thread".

And our mod has already politely called you out, on the quoting your own post to get a quicker answer, nonsense.

I'd like to feed my cats now. By your leave, of course. :p
You really need to get out the Oxford and look up charlatan.

And while I think the mod undertood the joke, you couldn't. I hope you didn't wait all weekend to feed your cats. Do you get upset when some asks you about the ammonia smell?
 

Boilerhog146

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You really need to get out the Oxford and look up charlatan.

And while I think the mod undertood the joke, you couldn't. I hope you didn't wait all weekend to feed your cats. Do you get upset when some asks you about the ammonia smell?
I think he is pretty close. maybe bang on.. Meriam Webster.
char·la·tan
[ˈSHärlədən, ˈSHärlətn]
quack · sham · fraud · fake · impostor · hoaxer · cheat · deceiver · double-dealer · swindler · fraudster · mountebank · phony · shark · con man · con artist · scam artist ·
[more]

[SIZE=5] Definition of charlatan[/SIZE]
1 : 4quack 2
  • charlatans harming their patients with dubious procedures
2 : one making usually showy pretenses to knowledge or ability : fraud, faker
  • a charlatan willing to do and say virtually anything to remain in the spotlight
  • —Alan Brinkley
 
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I think he is pretty close. maybe bang on.. Meriam Webster.
char·la·tan
[ˈSHärlədən, ˈSHärlətn]
quack · sham · fraud · fake · impostor · hoaxer · cheat · deceiver · double-dealer · swindler · fraudster · mountebank · phony · shark · con man · con artist · scam artist ·
[more]

[SIZE=5] Definition of charlatan[/SIZE]
1 : 4quack 2
  • charlatans harming their patients with dubious procedures
2 : one making usually showy pretenses to knowledge or ability : fraud, faker
  • a charlatan willing to do and say virtually anything to remain in the spotlight
  • —Alan Brinkley
He is a little behind, but at this point mission accomplished. He is not a quack. What has be "shammed"? He has done what most said he could never do, and it is cheaper, faster and safer. Who has he harmed? He is not a doctor. What is the hoax? If you want to use the definition so loosely you should also inlcude the most famous ones, like Edison and Tesla and Robert E. Lee... Musk is winning. I think that is what frustrates most of the folks.
 

captaincranky

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.[ ].And while I think the mod undertood the joke, you couldn't. I hope you didn't wait all weekend to feed your cats. Do you get upset when some asks you about the ammonia smell?
Why are you here trying to prop up Musk, talk tech, and troll me, when you don't understand the simple process of taking care of house cats?

Male specimens of Felis Sylvestris Catus must be neutered before full sexual maturity, to be fully integrated into an indoor living situation. As it stands, after taking viable sexuality out of the equation, pure cat urine doesn't smell any worse, or possibly not as bad, as human urine. They're not like dogs, which require intensive supervision and training, to be certain they don't take their dumps in the middle of the living room carpet, while you're there playing "Dungeons & Dragons", with a half dozen of your sexually ambiguous friends from retail sales..

After the first use of a litter pan, they'll continue to use it until their demise, unless, special circumstances intervene. (Health, diabetes, dementia, simple very advanced years).

So, even if I did have an "ammonia smell issue", it would still less of a problem than being here, listening to you lap up the smell of Mr. Musk's musk.

While you're "digesting" that, try and "wrap your head around", this simple concept, some jokes aren't funny, even if you're the person telling them.
 
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captaincranky

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He is a little behind, but at this point mission accomplished. He is not a quack. What has be "shammed"? He has done what most said he could never do, and it is cheaper, faster and safer...[ ]....
.Considering that all of Musk's companies routinely lose money, while he continues to become wealthier and wealthier, he must be up to something.

Jeff Bezos is another noteworthy sociopath, but at least Amazon turns a profit.

In any event, this album should have been titled, "Millennial Youth Listening to an Elon Musk Press Conference"

 

Boilerhog146

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Dazzeling with brilliance. who does that?
With proper litter and picked through daily and lots of drinking water .my female cat is a non issue.what ammonia smell?
but of my three 12" newfoundland beagles (Hunters).my males pee can bring tears to a manikins eyes. I can't even let him go by the door,,maybe its his mom and sister that causes him to be er strong. in any case, proper maintenance . makes for happy a pet owner. can't manage a cat ,don't have children for their sake...

I didn't make the definition to fit musk.musk made himself to fit the definition.
he's in there.
how does a company lose 750 mill. and shrug it off ,oops?
and .what a joke the electric tractor and trailer is, Pretty ,but only 500 mile range. he says 250 there and 250 back. allright around town I guess.and no emissions ,that's good. its a start.oh it does put out emissions. only they are emitted at the power house ,as its recharging !!!
but most trucks around here are long haul. and across Canada . I did drive class 1 also ,back in the day .Toronto to south Carolina back to Quebec back to T.O. run.2 guys team.4 days nonstop.when it can go 8 hours on a charge , then I'll think its an accomplishment, lets see that rig do that...Charlatan definition is close.
 
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With proper litter and picked through daily and lots of drinking water .my female cat is a non issue.what ammonia smell?
but of my three 12" newfoundland beagles (Hunters).my males pee can bring tears to a manikins eyes. I can't even let him go by the door,,maybe its his mom and sister that causes him to be er strong. in any case, proper maintenance . makes for happy a pet owner. can't manage a cat ,don't have children for their sake...
Neutering takes out the musk from the male cat's scent. In fact, when done soon enough, they don't spray, but rather squat to pee, like the females. (Who incidentally do spray in some species).

Ironically, cats die from kidney disease, unlike humans, who are more prone to heart failure. The progress of said kidney failure, can easily be roughly tracked through urinalysis. As the kidneys fail, the specific gravity of the urine falls. Consequently, they urinate a lot more to compensate, but it smells a lot less, due to the fact the kidneys inability to process waste as effectively. When, the urine specific gravity falls below 1.012, the animal is in fact, in kidney failure.. When the urine's spec grav falls to 1.00, you could probably drink it, and kitty either needs a kidney transplant, dialysis, or the most humane outcome, to be reunited with his or her maker.

how does a company lose 750 mill. and shrug it off ,oops?
That's because Musk isn't losing most of these idolater's money. And oddly enough, the NYSE, "hysteria capital of the universe", keeps posting gains on Tesla stock. The more he loses, the higher the stock prices go. Methinks the whole house of cards is supported on a column of Musk's hot air.

.Charlatan definition is close.
Con man, closer still.

As we learned, Musk has enough of a background in physics, (baccalaureate degree) to "talk the talk", but far from enough to, "walk the walk" You're not getting into the physics research community without a PHD, minimum, and even at that, you would need to have come up with something innovative to obtain said doctorate. So anything "invented by Musk", is likely something out of someone else's time, talent, and intelligence, not his.

So Musk does what he best, skim billions of dollars off of losing enterprises.
 
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wiyosaya

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He is a little behind, but at this point mission accomplished. He is not a quack. What has be "shammed"? He has done what most said he could never do, and it is cheaper, faster and safer. Who has he harmed? He is not a doctor. What is the hoax? If you want to use the definition so loosely you should also inlcude the most famous ones, like Edison and Tesla and Robert E. Lee... Musk is winning. I think that is what frustrates most of the folks.
Check out the last few posts by senketsu where he quotes non-techspot members about Musk's behavior.
 

wiyosaya

TS Evangelist
.Considering that all of Musk's companies routinely lose money, while he continues to become wealthier and wealthier, he must be up to something.

Jeff Bezos is another noteworthy sociopath, but at least Amazon turns a profit.

In any event, this album should have been titled, "Millennial Youth Listening to an Elon Musk Press Conference"

Aw, come on Captain. That's the true wise one in the picture entertaining the truly curious child.

Here's how the Millennials think they see Musk...


But here, Musk is revealed in his true form...




 
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