Tesla says Model X logs show recent crash was due to driver's actions, not caused by autopilot

[Puiu]

Well, you may not choose to comment about it, (I respect that), but it is an ever present, growing, and ugly reality, which greatly impacts the glowing future which people would like to imagine for themselves....

pretty sure those "mutts" are not the problem. but hey, I can't change the mind of someone who only knows how to be negative. you really don't realise just how toxic that kind of thinking is. I prefer to see things in shades of grey not just black and white.

 

[captaincranky]

pretty sure those "mutts" are not the problem. but hey, I can't change the mind of someone who only knows how to be negative. you really don't realise just how toxic that kind of thinking is. I prefer to see things in shades of grey not just black and white.

Dude, I was trying to be a little bit nice. If you don't think overpopulation is an issue, ever increasing welfare roles, and money flowing out of the US economy to south American drug cartels is a huge problem, you're childishly naive.

Money is the root of all evil. The Roman Catholic Church still doesn't approve birth control. Why? At the root of the issue, the more Catholics which exist, the more money flows back to Rome.

The same with any big business. When you run out of people to sell your newest toy to, your salvation will be customers breeding new customers. Works like a charm, but only if you're at the top of the food chain.

This site needs somebody as negative as me. Your pie in the sky, politically correct, brainwashed nonsense, is kind of hard to abide when it goes unopposed.. Better hope you're "fast and lucky" enough, to stay one step in front of the herd. If you don't you'll get trampled. Now toddle along, and try talking down to somebody who cares what you think.

 

[toxicfiend]

So is this a road plane that it needs "autopilot" please we are not yet at the age of the Jetson's yet.

 

[captaincranky]

So is this a road plane that it needs "autopilot" please we are not yet at the age of the Jetson's yet.

Or maybe a "land yacht" that needs a first mate, along with dual steering wheels and pedals...

Whoops, I almost forgot. It might also need a placard on the roof which states, "Caution, inattentive student Tesla driver behind the wheel. PS, text me this very minute, and I'll tell you all about my new car"!

 

[151rum]

These types of incidents should be handled by a neutral, independent body.

I noticed there was no mention of an insurance company in the article. If the vehicle was covered by insurance (we apparently don't know that it was but you would think so), an insurance company would want to investigate the cause. Although it is not exactly a neutral independent body, an insurance company investigation could shed some light on the subject beyond, "he said, she said."

If tesla is publicly making the claim of having logs to prove it you can be beyond reasonably sure that they do infact have the logs to prove it. How much does that car cost? Cheapest base model is 80k. So we can assume, I do hate assumptions, but we can assume the owner is not totally broke and can afford a lawyer. So, 80k+ car autopilots into a building, where is the lawsuit?
The only "he said, she said" is the owner saying his wife said blah blah. There is no he said, she said between the owner and tesla.
Speaking of the owner, why is he saying anything at all. From what I have been able to decipher from the reports he wasnt even in the car at the time. Why are we not hearing from the wife, at all?
Expensive car, over 700 brake horsepower, drive by wire throttle, im gonna make another assumption here and say probably very inattentive, distracted, entitled driver that hasnt actually made any public statements (man or woman has nothing to do with it) and someone that wasnt even there at the time making biased and baseless accusations based solely on someone elses word while super garbage "entertainment" sensationalism media with absolutly no factual information runs around trying to capitalize the general publics ignorance through ad revenue.
There is no story here. This is not news. This is trash.

 

[151rum]

pretty sure those "mutts" are not the problem. but hey, I can't change the mind of someone who only knows how to be negative. you really don't realise just how toxic that kind of thinking is. I prefer to see things in shades of grey not just black and white.

Dude, I was trying to be a little bit nice. If you don't think overpopulation is an issue, ever increasing welfare roles, and money flowing out of the US economy to south American drug cartels is a huge problem, you're childishly naive.

Money is the root of all evil. The Roman Catholic Church still doesn't approve birth control. Why? At the root of the issue, the more Catholics which exist, the more money flows back to Rome.

The same with any big business. When you run out of people to sell your newest toy to, your salvation will be customers breeding new customers. Works like a charm, but only if you're at the top of the food chain.

This site needs somebody as negative as me. Your pie in the sky, politically correct, brainwashed nonsense, is kind of hard to abide when it goes unopposed.. Better hope you're "fast and lucky" enough, to stay one step in front of the herd. If you don't you'll get trampled. Now toddle along, and try talking down to somebody who cares what you think.

Hmm, I dont see the "negativity" in your posts that he does. I do however see this entire story as being "negative."
There is a difference between "questioning information, not automatically believing everything presented to you, looking for truth" and being a good little ignorant sheeple that goes around spouting off toxic statements about how toxic something else is while being oblivious to the toxicity they themselves create.
Heres the thing about black and white thinking, if based on fact its likely right. There is no grey. Either something happened, or it didnt. Period. Thats black and white. Thats fact. Well maybe something happpened, I dont know, im not sure, im going to just listen to one sided biased non-factual information then kinda not come to a conclusion but go with whatever I "feel" might be right. Thats your "shades of grey" thinking. Thats toxic.

 

[Puiu]

Hmm, I dont see the "negativity" in your posts that he does. I do however see this entire story as being "negative."
There is a difference between "questioning information, not automatically believing everything presented to you, looking for truth" and being a good little ignorant sheeple that goes around spouting off toxic statements about how toxic something else is while being oblivious to the toxicity they themselves create.
Heres the thing about black and white thinking, if based on fact its likely right. There is no grey. Either something happened, or it didnt. Period. Thats black and white. Thats fact. Well maybe something happpened, I dont know, im not sure, im going to just listen to one sided biased non-factual information then kinda not come to a conclusion but go with whatever I "feel" might be right. Thats your "shades of grey" thinking. Thats toxic.

I wasn't talking about whether something happened or not, I was talking about being open minded and having the will to learn and not accept the "truth" from a badly written news article. I never go with gut feelings, just facts. Not being flexible in your thinking always leads to problems.
Tell me, do you believe that being good at business makes you evil automatically? Is the fact that Musk is making money after he created many huge companies that big of an issue? Do you also believe that he's "syphoning" money from Tesla when he owns shares worth billions from many other companies, including Tesla, companies that are growing every year?

As for the "negative" remark, it was written while I was a bit tired of bickering with that guy after he said that the world's problems stem from "mutts with no income" having too many kids. I was going to apologise, but... after he made a snarky comment about the easy access to powerful guns after the Orlando disaster... such behaviour is disgusting.

 

[captaincranky]

As for the "negative" remark, it was written while I was a bit tired of bickering with that guy after he said that the world's problems stem from "mutts with no income" having too many kids. I was going to apologise, but... after he made a snarky comment about the easy access to powerful guns after the Orlando disaster... such behaviour is disgusting.

See if you can understand this, you come from Romania, yet you feel obligated to opine on what exactly should be The US policies are on firearms, and who I should vote for for president of the US. Mind your own business.

As near as I can tell you're of the pie in the sky opinion about Elon Musk & "his mighty Tesla" are going to stave off any negative effects of food, crop, water, mineral shortages, and massive overpopulation in the century to come. Those problems don't seem even believable to you.

Musk has, (at least to a certain degree), ADHD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_deficit_hyperactivity_disorder He's also manic. This manifests itself in the way he starts businesses. start one, borrow money to start another while the first one still isn't turning a profit. ad nauseam.

In fact, "sometimes my mind races so fast I can't keep up with it", is actually a question on the MMPI.

As far as Orlando goes, when I was a young man, we couldn't show heterosexual affection in public, or we'd be liable for fines. Pat your girlfriend on the butt in public, get a ticket. This was true in a few New Jersey resort towns. So now, everybody's "out of the closet". I'm non invasive, and passive about the sexual practices of others, but not non-judgmental, and I think people should keep sexual matters private, for the sake of themselves and others. I don't like to watch men kissing men, are we calling that a character flaw these days?

Fast forward to 2016. Well first, I as an atheist firmly believe religion is the worst invention man has ever created.

And religion caused Orlando. Guns don't kill people, religious zealots do. Say what you like, I think all governments should take a hint from the Bolsheviks, and outlaw it.

As for the Tesla crash, I think it was "pilot error".

I also think that Tesla isn't the entity that gets to say or pretend to prove that. The issue requires a non-involved 3rd party to resolve.

Google that: sometimes my mind races so fast I can't keep up with it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Multiphasic_Personality_Inventory

 

[cliffordcooley]

Fast forward to 2016. Well first, I as an atheist firmly believe religion is the worst invention man has ever created.

Man created denominational separation not religion. But since you are a self proclaimed atheist, I can see why you would say that.

 

[captaincranky]

Man created denominational separation not religion. But since you are a self proclaimed atheist, I can see why you would say that.

Oh jeez Cliff, now you've gone and flung open the biggest can of worms ever. Did I ever tell you Pandora was a worm farmer?

Man is the serial creator of superstition. We of today, look back at "primitive cultures", and say with amazement, "how could those people have possibly believed the mountain was God, a puma was god, or any other ***ing thing we've knelt to, sacrificed animals to, left stuff in cave entrances for, jammed into pyramids, or killed other living humans to satisfy.

Really, you alone have this all figured out?

Man starts out blowing sunshine up his own a** at Genesis I (the "6th" day IIRC, we were, "created in God's own image), and the bulls*** hasn't let up since.

 

[cliffordcooley]

Really, you alone have this all figured out?

I don't have **** figured out, but I'm not completely blind either. I'm just not naive enough to think, people that died before I was born never existed. I mean seriously that is the mentality of an atheist.

Ohh and by the way you are the one that opened the can of worms.

 

[captaincranky]

I I'm just not naive enough to think, people that died before I was born never existed.

< That's the quintessential "WTF are you talking about? I certainly don't think that. Neither I nor the Jews believe that Christ is "the Savior", but I'm pretty sure they and I admit he existed.

I can't fathom how conceding whether or not people have existed before me (?), would be a determining factor in identifying atheism. It could be used as a measure of delusionality, that's about it. If I think no one ever existed before me, I'm delusional, not irreligious.

If you've never seen this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religulous .....you should.

Oh and Cliff, that's the whole can of worms, from Pandora's personal stash...(y)

 

[cliffordcooley]

From a non-atheist stand point delusional is exactly what an atheist is. See the term can be used from both views. My belief is not something I wish to discuss, but I'm also not willing to stand idol and not challenge the opposite belief. Like I said you opened the can of worms. You even proudly acknowledge it is your intentions to do so. In other words don't bring it up, and I won't have reason to comment on religion.

 

[captaincranky]

OK then. I'm delusional and you're going to heaven

My belief is not something I wish to discuss, but I'm also not willing to stand idol and not challenge the opposite belief..

That could also be categorized as a "passive / aggressive" personality problem. Well, don't feel bad, I don't want to say anything, but I can't shut up either. Sound familiar?

Here's "Dogma" in its entirety:

You should probably see this too, if you haven't already.

Oh BTW, the "trailer" is at Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma_(film

 

[9Nails]

I like the rear plate "Zero emissions". Generally any totalled car will do that

Haha - so true!

This also points out that not having a State plate on the car would suggest that the car was a recent new purchase. Experienced driver or not, vehicle cabin geometry and control locations are not fixed between makes and models and it does take some familiarity to drive a certain vehicle.

I've once slid a driver's side floor mat, fixing the car at full throttle before. I was trying to sit up straighter in my seat and realized my mistake rapidly before it became a serious problem. But in hind sight, I should have recorded a video, put it on youtube, and sought after billions in a class action law suit.