The Real Reason Nvidia Has Abandoned PC Gamers

[Rudyduu]

9070 XT is not 300 dollars less. What shrooms did you eat this morning?

Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 GRE Pulse Review

The Sapphire Radeon RX 9070 GRE Pulse is the quietest card we've reviewed today. Even at full load it runs whisper quiet, yet still packs enough punch for a great 1440p gaming experience. Priced at $550, the GRE is shaping up to be a decent alternative to NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 5070.

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Their new 9070 GRE is slower than 5070 while costing the same....

Also, there’s much more than just rasterization performance to consider when buying a GPU today.

Features, like...RT and Path Tracing advantage on the Nvidia side...

Absolutely no-one will pay Nvidia prices for an AMD GPU.

Like 90% of AMD GPU sales, is in the sub 500 dollar segment.

...Nvidia rocks a 85-90% dGPU marketshare (without even trying) and AMD is struggling to even hold 10%...

Nvidia don't care much for gaming GPUs either. Obviously they can make more money in the enterprise space. Does not change the fact that Nvidia dominates the gaming GPU market anyway.

9070 XT is a fine mid-end card but no-one would buy it if 5070 Ti was the same price. 5070 Ti sold far better, while costing more. People simply want the RTX features and don't care to pay extra. Nvidia GPUs hold their value far better than AMD GPUs anyway, much bigger demand in the used market and Nvidia don't lower prices constantly like AMD.

Cheapest 5070ti on Amazon $950
Cheapest 9070xt on Amazon $650

Who's talking about the 9070 GRE? No one likes the 9070 GRE. I don't know why you are arguing anything about it. It's poor value at $550. Everyone is saying this.

You should look at the article posted by Steve Walton right here on Techspot comparing the 9070xt and 5070ti as of the 22nd of May 2026:

Nvidia RTX 5070 Ti vs AMD Radeon 9070 XT: Massive 52 Game Benchmark

NVIDIA has better RT and PT on many titles, but mid-tier cards take too much of a performance hit without a significantly enhancing image quality to turn that feature on, for me.

Are most NVIDIA video cards sold to DYI builders or are most of them sold to pre-build companies like Dell, HP...?

Just because something sells more than others doesn't make it better value especially when more people buy pre-built computer and only a smaller percentage of PC gamers build their own computers.

They are nearly the same performance across most games. Who cares about "holding value" when you buy a card when the card is $300 more than a similar performance card?

Why does your argument contain a scenario that doesn't exist? The 5070ti is $300 more expensive than a 9070XT. As of this morning it's just a fact. RT performance just isn't good enough to make up for that price delta for me. I'd rather have good performance without RT than cutting my framerates significantly with it. You should look at other reviews for the 9070 xt especially those that have come after some driver optimization.

I would have bought a 5090, but I can't justify paying double what the MSRP is, and I could barely justify $2000 for gaming anyway. And would I even notice the difference when my frame rates are already maxing my monitor's 144hz anyway? I'd rather spend that money on my other hobbies.

Data doesn't matter to you, though, somehow you care more about a company than it will ever care about you. Price/performance matters way more to me than whose name is on the box.

 

[Rapob]

Cheapest 5070ti on Amazon $950
Cheapest 9070xt on Amazon $650

Who's talking about the 9070 GRE? No one likes the 9070 GRE. I don't know why you are arguing anything about it. It's poor value at $550. Everyone is saying this.

You should look at the article posted by Steve Walton right here on Techspot comparing the 9070xt and 5070ti as of the 22nd of May 2026:

Nvidia RTX 5070 Ti vs AMD Radeon 9070 XT: Massive 52 Game Benchmark

NVIDIA has better RT and PT on many titles, but mid-tier cards take too much of a performance hit without a significantly enhancing image quality to turn that feature on, for me.

Are most NVIDIA video cards sold to DYI builders or are most of them sold to pre-build companies like Dell, HP...?

Just because something sells more than others doesn't make it better value especially when more people buy pre-built computer and only a smaller percentage of PC gamers build their own computers.

They are nearly the same performance across most games. Who cares about "holding value" when you buy a card when the card is $300 more than a similar performance card?

Why does your argument contain a scenario that doesn't exist? The 5070ti is $300 more expensive than a 9070XT. As of this morning it's just a fact. RT performance just isn't good enough to make up for that price delta for me. I'd rather have good performance without RT than cutting my framerates significantly with it. You should look at other reviews for the 9070 xt especially those that have come after some driver optimization.

I would have bought a 5090, but I can't justify paying double what the MSRP is, and I could barely justify $2000 for gaming anyway. And would I even notice the difference when my frame rates are already maxing my monitor's 144hz anyway? I'd rather spend that money on my other hobbies.

Data doesn't matter to you, though, somehow you care more about a company than it will ever care about you. Price/performance matters way more to me than whose name is on the box.

Where I am, the 5070 Ti is 10-20% more expensive and for that you get a superior card overall. A card that has better perf, uses less power and has higher resell value afterwards.

TechSpot says the 5070 Ti is the better card. Not just better RT/PT perf. Don't care at all about that, some do, but I don't. Most Nvidia RTX users don't use RT/PT, they use all the other amazing RTX features. Path Tracing is a gimmick for the most part. Might matter in 5-10 years, we will see.

What do I care about? Solid and stable rasterization perf with option for best in class Upscaling, Frame Gen, DLAA, DLDSR, RTX HDR, all stuff that I actively use, every single week and AMD has nothing that even comes close. AMD GPU feature support is massively lacking. Game devs don't really care with most AMD GPU features.

RTX HDR is a gamechanger in SDR games on a HDR monitor. AMD has nothing like it. Default HDR experience on Windows/Linux is pure garbage.

Fun fact; Anti Lag + got people VAC banned on Steam when AMD released that feature. They did not even test it properly before releasing it. That is how AMD usually does the copy/paste of Nvidia features. AMD does not have ONE SINGLE FEATURE that is on par with Nvidia, they are all worse. With worse support as well. AMD did the copy/paste method, and never delivered. The biggest success in the last 10 years is FSR 4, sadly only a small group of AMD GPU users can use it (if the games actually have support)

Solid raster perf - this also means solid raster perf, even in alphas, betas, early access games, where Nvidia usually have alot better performance, as Developers focus on Nvidia and most often use Nvidia too.

Why would developers spend much time optimizing for 10% of PC users? 90% uses Nvidia GPU. Most developers are Nvidia first. They rather want to satisfy 90% of the buyers. Same problem with Intel GPUs, they don't get any focus at all due to having like 1% marketshare. Developer don't care at all. They care slightly more for AMD GPUs but you can't get around that most of them, priotize Nvidia GPUs above all.

DLSS/DLAA is the reason Nvidia sits at 85% dGPU marketshare. DLSS is in 1000+ games with tons of DLSS/DLAA mods on top of that. Most new games are almost guarranteed to have DLSS (meaning DLAA too).

FSR is in like 300 games. While FSR 4 is vastly better than FSR 3 and older, it is still inferior to DLSS 4. FSR 3.1 don't even deliver DLSS 2 visuals and DLSS 2 came out 7 years ago. FSR 3.1 and older, is what most AMD GPU users will be using. Limited support for older GPUs, meanwhile DLSS 4 works on 4 generations of RTX GPUs. Since day one.

Lets talk about your own link again, Techspots 9070 XT vs 5070 Ti:

Their conclusion: Nvidia wins on performance, they win (easily) on features. Uses less power too.

AMD only wins on value. Rasterization value that is.
AMD GPUs don't sell unless they are (much) cheaper than Nvidia. That is the hard reality.

9070 XT pulls 100 watts more, for worse raster perf.

5070 Ti also fares better in high res gaming, due to much higher memory bandwidth and upscaling becomes truly gold here too, and DLSS 4 is much better than FSR 4.

Resell value matters, and AMD is lower. Very few buyers. Barely anyone wants an used AMD GPU.

5070 Ti increased in price, due to actually selling well. It is called simple supply and demand. 9070 XT first started selling after 5070 Ti price increased. 9 out of 10 people would not even consider the 9070 XT if both cards sit at MSRP.

AMD will hike prices by 10-15% on Radeon 9000 soon. That is why 9070 GRE has the price it has, Radeon 9070 goes up in price soon, making 9070 GRE have better value. AMD uses old and dated GDDR6 memory but all memory prices increased, so AMD will adjust pricing now. Nvidia uses top notch GDDR7 memory, which is more expensive, and has much higher bandwidth.

Now you know why AMD is cheaper. Worse card overall. Worse raster perf. Cheaper memory used. Worse features, with lacking support and high power usage, for worse performance. RT and Path Tracing perf, lacking too, for people that care.

I am not even saying 9070 XT is a bad card, it is a fine mid-end GPU but 5070 Ti sold vastly better and does overall much better. Better perf, lower watt usage, much better features and better support in actual games. Hence why 5070 Ti sold better and the reason why 9070 XT will always be the cheaper card.

I don't own any of the cards. Current generation is a pure joke. My RTX 4090 slaps both cards around with absolute ease, 4 years old. Why on earth would I consider upgrading before RTX 6000 or RDNA 5 - UDNA in 2027-2028. Wake me up when true next gen arrive. Current generation is nothing but a stop gap solution.

 

[HardReset]

Biggest one was price, those cheap AMD APUs made perfect sense at the time.

CPU was a major problem with PS4/XB1, those garbage jaguar cores is the reason most games ran 30 fps (with dips), even when PS4/XB1 launched, jaguar was slow and dated, used in ultra low-end stuff.

Custom APU = Mostly cheap crap, just look at Steam Machine if in doubt. Claims custom but pure garbage compared to off the shelf APUs. Only reason its "custom" is because AMD did not have anything this low-end and they had to make it, to hit budget.

There are many high end custom chips that run even better than anything that has retail availability. Price is another question but just being custom does not mean cheap trash.

ARM will easily run most x86 games, you will see very soon when Nvidia N1X goes live. Windows 11 has massive ARM support and most x86 games will run no problem (Steam game catatog with an ARM CPU on Windows is going to be much bigger than the Steam game catalog you get in Linux using x86 - Hence Steam Deck verification stamp on games)

N1X is already full year late and probably will be another 6 months at least. Hype is gone long time ago. Promises without real product. Vaporware.

Sadly it looks like AMD cares very little about PC gamers, they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity in the PC gaming GPU market.

Leaving high-end GPU market before RDNA 4 launches. Cancelling the top RDNA 4 SKUs, etc. All AMD does is undercut Nvidia by 50 dollars and call it a day. They likely don't care much, as CPUs is their prime field. CPUs is the reason AMD woke up from the dead.

PC gamers do not care about AMD so why should AMD care? There are reasons why AMD decided to put all in on CPUs and not GPUs. One reason is that people will buy better CPU but not better GPU if it's not Nvidia.

 

[Rapob]

It was supposed to come last year. Now we are approaching end of H1/2026. Still no anything concrete.

So facts: 1. it's late. 2. Still not available. Vaporvare until proven otherwise.

Nvidia believes on N1X so much they partnered with Intel already.

It was showcased at Computex this year and release window is later this year. Nvidia never claimed launch would be ealier. Besides, Windows was not ready for ARM anyway. Tons of work has been done in the last year. Massive amount of games runs on ARM CPUs now. Not only because of Nvidia, Snapdragon exist too. ARM is taking over little by little.

Nvidia also partnered with Valve, SteamOS will soon support N1X too.

Nvidia partnered with Intel for several reasons. There will be Intel + RTX APUs shortly too.

Nvidias software suite is next level compared to AMDs, this is why Nvidia dominates the GPU market. When talking gaming, AMD don't even hold 10% dGPU marketshare. That is reality for you.

Nvidia dominates pretty much all GPU markets: Enterprise, desktop, laptop, handheld, does not matter: Nvidia is king. Reality calls.

Now they enter CPU/APU market. You can be sure they will deliver something useful, or they would not even bother. Going ARM was the next logical step for Nvidia, now they can deliver servers and APUs with 100% Nvidia tech, hence no reliance on 3rd party like AMD/Intel.

The Leatherjacket is ready to grab even more marketshare.

 

[DirtyDan]

It was showcased at Computex this year and release window is later this year. Nvidia never claimed launch would be ealier. Besides, Windows was not ready for ARM anyway. Tons of work has been done in the last year. Massive amount of games runs on ARM CPUs now. Not only because of Nvidia, Snapdragon exist too. ARM is taking over little by little.

Nvidia also partnered with Valve, SteamOS will soon support N1X too.

Nvidia partnered with Intel for several reasons. There will be Intel + RTX APUs shortly too.

Nvidias software suite is next level compared to AMDs, this is why Nvidia dominates the GPU market. When talking gaming, AMD don't even hold 10% dGPU marketshare. That is reality for you.

Nvidia dominates pretty much all GPU markets: Enterprise, desktop, laptop, handheld, does not matter: Nvidia is king. Reality calls.

Now they enter CPU/APU market. You can be sure they will deliver something useful, or they would not even bother. Going ARM was the next logical step for Nvidia, now they can deliver servers and APUs with 100% Nvidia tech, hence no reliance on 3rd party like AMD/Intel.

The Leatherjacket is ready to grab even more marketshare.

Im not so sure the confidence in a CPU/APU breakthrough and subsequent domination can be warranted.

Look at Intel and their dedicated gpu's. They launched their own when they had so much of the CPU market share.

Now fast forward to today, AMD has taken an enormous chunk out of Intel's hold on the market. Largely in part to AMD innovation but also because Intel remained stagnant, and they started releasing GPUs.

Since the launch of Intel GPU's, AMD has doubled their market share percentage.

I am not saying Nvidia wont figure it out, but recency says they will struggle for years and competitors will potentially catch up, which also might not happen.

 

[LemmingO]

Wow. An entire article to summarize "Money"

 

[Rapob]

Im not so sure the confidence in a CPU/APU breakthrough and subsequent domination can be warranted.

Look at Intel and their dedicated gpu's. They launched their own when they had so much of the CPU market share.

Now fast forward to today, AMD has taken an enormous chunk out of Intel's hold on the market. Largely in part to AMD innovation but also because Intel remained stagnant, and they started releasing GPUs.

Since the launch of Intel GPU's, AMD has doubled their market share percentage.

I am not saying Nvidia wont figure it out, but recency says they will struggle for years and competitors will potentially catch up, which also might not happen.

AMD has not doubled their dedicated GPU marketshare after Intel joined the dGPU market.

AMD Ryzen got far more popular in recent years. Many use the iGPU. Like half of Steam HW Survey's AMD GPU numbers is due to iGPU, Intel has almost 10% GPU marketshare too here, pretty much all of it, is iGPU as well.

Intel has like only 1% of the dGPU market. AMD has 10 maybe 15% and Nvidia sits on like 80% if not more, this is pure dGPU marketshare.

Apple and Snapdragon has gained in recent years too. Apple M2 alone has like 2% marketshare on Steam HW Survey.


Both Nvidias and AMDs current generation of GPUs is mediocre. Stop gap solutions really. True next gen stuff first comes in 2027-2028 with RTX 6000 and RDNA5/UDNA.

Neither Nvidia or AMD cares much about gamers right now. Consumers are not really a big focus from anyone right now. Enterprise/AI is booming. TSMC is slammed and overbooked. Memory makers under heavy pressure, can't deliver enough chips.

Why would Nvidia/AMD care selling (cheap) gaming GPUs under these circumstances? Margins are small.

I would not be surprised if next generation won't even have low-end SKUs. I expect mid-end and up. No point in selling low-end and wasting memory modules here, plus wasting TSMC allocation.

 

[DirtyDan]

AMD has not doubled their dedicated GPU marketshare after Intel joined the dGPU market.

AMD Ryzen got far more popular in recent years. Many use the iGPU. Like half of Steam HW Survey's AMD GPU numbers is due to iGPU, Intel has almost 10% GPU marketshare too here, pretty much all of it, is iGPU as well.

Intel has like only 1% of the dGPU market. AMD has 10 maybe 15% and Nvidia sits on like 80% if not more, this is pure dGPU marketshare.

Apple and Snapdragon has gained in recent years too. Apple M2 alone has like 2% marketshare on Steam HW Survey.


Both Nvidias and AMDs current generation of GPUs is mediocre. Stop gap solutions really. True next gen stuff first comes in 2027-2028 with RTX 6000 and RDNA5/UDNA.

Neither Nvidia or AMD cares much about gamers right now. Consumers are not really a big focus from anyone right now. Enterprise/AI is booming. TSMC is slammed and overbooked. Memory makers under heavy pressure, can't deliver enough chips.

Why would Nvidia/AMD care selling (cheap) gaming GPUs under these circumstances? Margins are small.

I would not be surprised if next generation won't even have low-end SKUs. I expect mid-end and up. No point in selling low-end and wasting memory modules here, plus wasting TSMC allocation.

Yea I am comparing Intel's enormous market share in the CPU market, launching a GPU and then competitors swooping in and surpassing them in that very CPU market. AMD doubled their market share for CPU once Intel released their first gen of GPU's.

That could very well happen to Nvidia, would not be the first time a market share leader tried to break through a market they are not even a part of, fall short, and lose some ground in their main market.

Plus with Nvidia pulling back on producing units for consumers, it very will could happen. I would say more now than ever.

 

[Rapob]

Yea I am comparing Intel's enormous market share in the CPU market, launching a GPU and then competitors swooping in and surpassing them in that very CPU market. AMD doubled their market share for CPU once Intel released their first gen of GPU's.

That could very well happen to Nvidia, would not be the first time a market share leader tried to break through a market they are not even a part of, fall short, and lose some ground in their main market.

Plus with Nvidia pulling back on producing units for consumers, it very will could happen. I would say more now than ever.

Keep dreaming, Nvidia is 1st in terms of market cap worldwide with trillions of money for R&D.

You claim Nvidia don't focus on consumers, while they are actively releasing consumer focussed APUs with N1X and sitting on like 80-90% dGPU marketshare. Go figure. Nvidia outsells AMD 10:1 in the gaming GPU space.

At CES 2027 they will launch 5000 SUPER refresh.
Late 2027 or early 2028, you will see RTX 6000 series.

And they don't even need to, because they have the performance crown already. AMDs 9070 XT is overall slower than 5070 Ti and with alot worse features and support too. Hence the lower price.

RDNA 5 is a very important release for AMD. They can't afford to fail. If they don't deliver, you can be 100% sure that they don't care about consumer GPU market, aka gaming GPU market.

AMD is CPU first. Always. They make best in class CPUs. Their consumer GPUs are not that good. Hence why they don't sell well and AMD struggles to even hit 10% dGPU marketshare.

 

[DirtyDan]

Keep dreaming, Nvidia is 1st in terms of market cap worldwide with trillions of money for R&D.

You claim Nvidia don't focus on consumers, while they are actively releasing consumer focussed APUs with N1X and sitting on like 80-90% dGPU marketshare. Go figure. Nvidia outsells AMD 10:1 in the gaming GPU space.

At CES 2027 they will launch 5000 SUPER refresh.
Late 2027 or early 2028, you will see RTX 6000 series.

And they don't even need to, because they have the performance crown already. AMDs 9070 XT is overall slower than 5070 Ti and with alot worse features and support too. Hence the lower price.

RDNA 5 is a very important release for AMD. They can't afford to fail. If they don't deliver, you can be 100% sure that they don't care about consumer GPU market, aka gaming GPU market.

AMD is CPU first. Always. They make best in class CPUs. Their consumer GPUs are not that good. Hence why they don't sell well and AMD struggles to even hit 10% dGPU marketshare.

The gaming GPU space is a small sample size. When you zoom out and look at the population size of gaming hardware, AMD blows Nvidia out of the water. That is a fact.

With that being said, Nvidia is downsizing their consumer GPU sector. Sure they will "release" the super refresh, but what will the production numbers look like? Want to bet they will make less units? because I do.

I am telling you what happened when nobody could beat intel in the CPU space, and they decided to try out GPUs. They lost over 18% of the CPU market to AMD, and that number is rising. With Nvidia looking at the CPU market, when they dominate the GPU market, I would not be surprised if they falter and AMD starts to eat into that market share. How is Intel holding up since AMD started eating into that CPU market share? Lets not forget history seems to repeat itself.

Good luck to Nvidia. They are going to need it.

 

[LimyG]

The gaming GPU space is a small sample size. When you zoom out and look at the population size of gaming hardware, AMD blows Nvidia out of the water. That is a fact.

With that being said, Nvidia is downsizing their consumer GPU sector. Sure they will "release" the super refresh, but what will the production numbers look like? Want to bet they will make less units? because I do.

I am telling you what happened when nobody could beat intel in the CPU space, and they decided to try out GPUs. They lost over 18% of the CPU market to AMD, and that number is rising. With Nvidia looking at the CPU market, when they dominate the GPU market, I would not be surprised if they falter and AMD starts to eat into that market share. How is Intel holding up since AMD started eating into that CPU market share? Lets not forget history seems to repeat itself.

Good luck to Nvidia. They are going to need it.

I think both you, DirtyDan and Rapob make valid points.

Regarding gaming for both companies A.I. is their biggest earner, especially Nvidia.

I don't like the way either approach gaming GPUs. One thing I would like to see is AMD add a really highend product (GPU).

Other than that, unless there is some huge A.I. crash, we are no longer important to either of them.

The way I see it, improvements specifically for gaming, when the next gen arrives are likely to focus on gaming technologies (like DLSS and other such things.).

Actual hardware innovations are likely to focus on A.I., of course that can benefit gaming too.

But the good ole days of big gen on gen gaming performance increases seem to me to be over.

TBH for the time being I have no interest in a new GPU for gaming. There are lots of reasons. But generally I just keep a casual eye on the direction both companies go for gamers.

I am not optimistic in the short to medium term. Long term, well I would just be guessing.

 

[Rapob]

The gaming GPU space is a small sample size. When you zoom out and look at the population size of gaming hardware, AMD blows Nvidia out of the water. That is a fact.

With that being said, Nvidia is downsizing their consumer GPU sector. Sure they will "release" the super refresh, but what will the production numbers look like? Want to bet they will make less units? because I do.

I am telling you what happened when nobody could beat intel in the CPU space, and they decided to try out GPUs. They lost over 18% of the CPU market to AMD, and that number is rising. With Nvidia looking at the CPU market, when they dominate the GPU market, I would not be surprised if they falter and AMD starts to eat into that market share. How is Intel holding up since AMD started eating into that CPU market share? Lets not forget history seems to repeat itself.

Good luck to Nvidia. They are going to need it.

Yap Yap, yeah good luck to the most valuable company in the world. You are naive. Hahah.

 

[DirtyDan]

Yap Yap, yeah good luck to the most valuable company in the world. You are naive. Hahah.

You are short sighted and entitled it seems. Nvidia follows the money, and gaming GPUs are not it. Just look at the companies that are spawning in gunning for Nvidia market share in the gaming market, specifically mid and high end. From AMD, which we know are doing whatever, to Bolt that are pushing their R&D to have a GPU for the consumer, and not so much AI. But hey, if you want to call me naive then so be it. At least I am not blind to reality.

 

[DirtyDan]

I think both you, DirtyDan and Rapob make valid points.

Regarding gaming for both companies A.I. is their biggest earner, especially Nvidia.

I don't like the way either approach gaming GPUs. One thing I would like to see is AMD add a really highend product (GPU).

Other than that, unless there is some huge A.I. crash, we are no longer important to either of them.

The way I see it, improvements specifically for gaming, when the next gen arrives are likely to focus on gaming technologies (like DLSS and other such things.).

Actual hardware innovations are likely to focus on A.I., of course that can benefit gaming too.

But the good ole days of big gen on gen gaming performance increases seem to me to be over.

TBH for the time being I have no interest in a new GPU for gaming. There are lots of reasons. But generally I just keep a casual eye on the direction both companies go for gamers.

I am not optimistic in the short to medium term. Long term, well I would just be guessing.

I agree, even with AMD following Nvidia into the AI space. With that notion, it still gives other companies the chance to pounce and eat up that market share.

We seen it with Xbox one and the PS4, playstation focused solely on gaming while Xbox went after more than just gaming. That did not work out too well for them. Look at Nvidia and AMD, moreso Nvidia, focusing on a broad range of items. Jensen saying he imagines that home theaters, lawnmowers, dishwashers all being controlled by AI. Sounds like what Xbox was doing back then.

Bolt is an up and coming GPU company, sure some years out, that have a chance to eat into the market. That is just one company that wants to give the consumer GPU market what they want. Affordable GPUs that are worth the money and are not shoving AI in our faces.

 

[Rapob]

You are short sighted and entitled it seems. Nvidia follows the money, and gaming GPUs are not it. Just look at the companies that are spawning in gunning for Nvidia market share in the gaming market, specifically mid and high end. From AMD, which we know are doing whatever, to Bolt that are pushing their R&D to have a GPU for the consumer, and not so much AI. But hey, if you want to call me naive then so be it. At least I am not blind to reality.

If Nvidia don't care about selling gaming GPUs, how come they hold 80-90% dGPU marketshare then? And outsells AMD with ease in the GPU market. Explain.

Bolt Graphics, yeah, with expensive RAM, shitty drivers and garbage features, they are bound to fail. It is almost impossible to enter this market due to drivers/software stacks.

How did Lisuan's LX 7G100 do? 500 dollars for worse performance than 3060 from like 7 years ago. Crap features with no support in games. Garbage upscaling and frame gen. Bad drivers that make many games crash. Yay.

Yes you are 100% blind to reality. Nvidia dominates all GPU markets with ease. Enterprise, AI, Gaming, Mobile even in terms of Game Streaming they hold the crown with absolute ease.

Nvidia don't care about consoles. No money. They offloaded millions of Tegras to Nintendo because Nintendo insisted. AMD had no alternative. AMD lacks performance per watt and features like upscaling are too bad.

Nvidia outsells AMD like 10:1 in the gaming GPU space, and Nvidia is not even trying much, RTX 5000 is more like a 4000 SUPER SUPER refresh on same node. AMD don't even care about selling gaming GPUs, due to TSMC beind a huge bottleneck and with expensive RAM, there is little money in gaming GPUs for AMD. Margins are gone, puuuuf. No focus from AMD. They rather want succes in the Enterprise / AI GPU market than gaming with low profit.

AMD earns the vast majority of its revenue from CPUs, with gaming GPUs contributing only a very small share. Hence why AMD don't care much about gaming GPUs. Sad but true. Reality calls. Take a look at their financial reports if you don't believe me. They make close to zero money on gaming GPUs. Expensive processes and memory drains the margins and no-one is buying AMD GPUs unless they are cheap.

Literally 90% of AMDs GPU marketshare on Steam is coming from iGPUs or sub 500 dollar GPUs. Nvidia rules supreme in the 500+ dollar segment. Stomps AMD here.

Reality calls. Wake up. Would I like more competition? For sure but AMD don't put any pressure on Nvidia. Lets see how serious AMD is, when RDNA 5 / UDNA launches late next year. My expectation is they delay the release, to come out after RTX 6000 has been released - meanwhile RTX 5000 SUPER refresh goes live in less than 6 months and AMD has no answer at all, since 9070 XT is using the full silicon already and can't even beat 5070 Ti, plus far worse features/support on the AMD side.

AMD GPUs are sadly cheaper for a reason, and still don't sell good. 9070 XT uses 10% more power than even 5080.

Taking the higher power draw and worse resell value into consideration, you save nothing going with AMD in most cases.

10 out of 10 people would choose 5070 Ti over 9070 XT if they were offered to pick one for free. That is the hard reality. Some people might choose to save a few bucks and get the 9070 XT but if they were priced similar, no-one would get the AMD offering.

 

[DirtyDan]

If Nvidia don't care about selling gaming GPUs, how come they hold 80-90% dGPU marketshare then? And outsells AMD with ease in the GPU market. Explain.

Bolt Graphics, yeah, with expensive RAM, shitty drivers and garbage features, they are bound to fail. It is almost impossible to enter this market due to drivers/software stacks.

How did Lisuan's LX 7G100 do? 500 dollars for worse performance than 3060 from like 7 years ago. Crap features with no support in games. Garbage upscaling and frame gen. Bad drivers that make many games crash. Yay.

Yes you are 100% blind to reality. Nvidia dominates all GPU markets with ease. Enterprise, AI, Gaming, Mobile even in terms of Game Streaming they hold the crown with absolute ease.

Nvidia don't care about consoles. No money. They offloaded millions of Tegras to Nintendo because Nintendo insisted. AMD had no alternative. AMD lacks performance per watt and features like upscaling are too bad.

Nvidia outsells AMD like 10:1 in the gaming GPU space, and Nvidia is not even trying much, RTX 5000 is more like a 4000 SUPER SUPER refresh on same node. AMD don't even care about selling gaming GPUs, due to TSMC beind a huge bottleneck and with expensive RAM, there is little money in gaming GPUs for AMD. Margins are gone, puuuuf. No focus from AMD. They rather want succes in the Enterprise / AI GPU market than gaming with low profit.

AMD earns the vast majority of its revenue from CPUs, with gaming GPUs contributing only a very small share. Hence why AMD don't care much about gaming GPUs. Sad but true. Reality calls. Take a look at their financial reports if you don't believe me. They make close to zero money on gaming GPUs. Expensive processes and memory drains the margins and no-one is buying AMD GPUs unless they are cheap.

Literally 90% of AMDs GPU marketshare on Steam is coming from iGPUs or sub 500 dollar GPUs. Nvidia rules supreme in the 500+ dollar segment. Stomps AMD here.

Reality calls. Wake up. Would I like more competition? For sure but AMD don't put any pressure on Nvidia. Lets see how serious AMD is, when RDNA 5 / UDNA launches late next year. My expectation is they delay the release, to come out after RTX 6000 has been released - meanwhile RTX 5000 SUPER refresh goes live in less than 6 months and AMD has no answer at all, since 9070 XT is using the full silicon already and can't even beat 5070 Ti, plus far worse features/support on the AMD side.

AMD GPUs are sadly cheaper for a reason, and still don't sell good. 9070 XT uses 10% more power than even 5080.

Taking the higher power draw and worse resell value into consideration, you save nothing going with AMD in most cases.

10 out of 10 people would choose 5070 Ti over 9070 XT if they were offered to pick one for free. That is the hard reality. Some people might choose to save a few bucks and get the 9070 XT but if they were priced similar, no-one would get the AMD offering.

Nvidia has had the marketshare since before their foray into AI. AI is the moneymaker now. GPUs for the consumer is an afterthought, we see that with the hesitation on canceling the super refresh. We can see it with the production amounts, it will be less.

Bolt graphics are brand new, and a promising company. They are doing something that no other company is even thinking about trying. I would not write them off so quickly. Just like Intel did to AMD and wrote them off when they had over 90% of the market. How is that working out so far?

AMD is leading the Gaming sector when you add all of the numbers up from recent gens. I have already proved that to you. I gave you factual numbers, and you are giving me baseless word salad. I win.

AMD must be doing something correct if Sony and Microsoft continue to partner with AMD. Why would they do that? How come Nintendo is the only company Nvidia can work with?

Nvidia is pulling back production on GPU for consumers, they are thinking about jumping into the CPU market, they are diverting R&D to AI and data center hardware. Does that seem like a company that cares about the GPU market? Meanwhile, Bolt is working on creating a GPU in the mid-high end range for productivity first and eventually gaming. Hell their GPU they have right now is better than the 5090 in path tracing, up 10x better. AMD is releasing driver updates that dont melt the card and give increased gains. They have equaled, if not surpassed, the 5070Ti at a fraction of the cost.

The steam hardware survey does not accurately deteect AMD gpus, but will detect all generations of Nvidia GPUs. Seems scummy to me. The AMD dGPU marketshare is ~8% Nvidia went from 91% to 90%. The shift is already starting.

I dont think 10 out of 10 people would take the 5070Ti over the 9070XT. From melting cables on the Nvidia cards to flickering screens because their drivers suck to the scummy practices. Hell the 9070XT is increasing performance every single driver update. The 5070Ti is stagnant. You say powerdraw is a problem, but have no problem vouching for a card that is over $350 the other. There is where your money is for the "Increased powerdraw" and you are STILL paying for power. At the difference in powerdraw, which is ~20W under load, it is practically nonexistent.

So you are paying more money, for a product that will catch on fire, make your monitors flicker, wont improve with driver updates, and you reasoning is because....power draw? that is negligible?

Theres even some titles that the 9070XT beats the 5080. Just off of driver updates alone. But hey, im glad your features include lighting on fire and flickering the monitors.

 

[HardReset]

If Nvidia don't care about selling gaming GPUs, how come they hold 80-90% dGPU marketshare then? And outsells AMD with ease in the GPU market. Explain.

Since 2020 AMD has had better CPU in Every category vs Intel offerings. Still Intel still has 67% of total CPU market share. Explain.

FYI, better product does NOT equal larger market share.

 

[DirtyDan]

Since 2020 AMD has had better CPU in Every category vs Intel offerings. Still Intel still has 67% of total CPU market share. Explain.

FYI, better product does NOT equal larger market share.

He will not understand that. He thinks bigget marketshare = better product. He is a humongous fanboy.

 

[Rapob]

Since 2020 AMD has had better CPU in Every category vs Intel offerings. Still Intel still has 67% of total CPU market share. Explain.

FYI, better product does NOT equal larger market share.

Why the F are you talking about CPUs. We talk GPUs, which is here AMD has tons of work to do. Their CPUs are fine. Their GPUs are mediocre.

I use 9800X3D running at 5.5 GHz on all cores, best gaming chip in the world but Intel has overall better options right now, 270K is overall better value than most AMD CPUs currently, pretty much delivers 9950X application performance and similar game performance for half the price.

AMD X3D is gold, their regular Ryzen chips are nothing special and too expensive really. Zen 6 is needed soon.

Nvidia RTX absolutely destroys AMD Radeon in terms of marketshare and sales - RTX is for sure the best GPUs today with the best features and best support in games. Claiming otherwise, is downright stupid. AMD struggles to even hit 10% dGPU marketshare. Cheaper than Nvidia but still don't sell well. Tells you everything you need to know. 9 out of 10 wants Nvidia.

Radeon 9000 was decent due to FSR 4 but mid-end only. 9070 XT can't even beat 5070 Ti. We will see with RDNA5/UDNA how serious AMD is about PC gaming GPUs next year (hopefully)

 

[Rapob]

Nvidia has had the marketshare since before their foray into AI. AI is the moneymaker now. GPUs for the consumer is an afterthought, we see that with the hesitation on canceling the super refresh. We can see it with the production amounts, it will be less.

Bolt graphics are brand new, and a promising company. They are doing something that no other company is even thinking about trying. I would not write them off so quickly. Just like Intel did to AMD and wrote them off when they had over 90% of the market. How is that working out so far?

AMD is leading the Gaming sector when you add all of the numbers up from recent gens. I have already proved that to you. I gave you factual numbers, and you are giving me baseless word salad. I win.

AMD must be doing something correct if Sony and Microsoft continue to partner with AMD. Why would they do that? How come Nintendo is the only company Nvidia can work with?

Nvidia is pulling back production on GPU for consumers, they are thinking about jumping into the CPU market, they are diverting R&D to AI and data center hardware. Does that seem like a company that cares about the GPU market? Meanwhile, Bolt is working on creating a GPU in the mid-high end range for productivity first and eventually gaming. Hell their GPU they have right now is better than the 5090 in path tracing, up 10x better. AMD is releasing driver updates that dont melt the card and give increased gains. They have equaled, if not surpassed, the 5070Ti at a fraction of the cost.

The steam hardware survey does not accurately deteect AMD gpus, but will detect all generations of Nvidia GPUs. Seems scummy to me. The AMD dGPU marketshare is ~8% Nvidia went from 91% to 90%. The shift is already starting.

I dont think 10 out of 10 people would take the 5070Ti over the 9070XT. From melting cables on the Nvidia cards to flickering screens because their drivers suck to the scummy practices. Hell the 9070XT is increasing performance every single driver update. The 5070Ti is stagnant. You say powerdraw is a problem, but have no problem vouching for a card that is over $350 the other. There is where your money is for the "Increased powerdraw" and you are STILL paying for power. At the difference in powerdraw, which is ~20W under load, it is practically nonexistent.

So you are paying more money, for a product that will catch on fire, make your monitors flicker, wont improve with driver updates, and you reasoning is because....power draw? that is negligible?

Theres even some titles that the 9070XT beats the 5080. Just off of driver updates alone. But hey, im glad your features include lighting on fire and flickering the monitors.

Nvidia has 10 times the revenue on gaming GPUs compared to AMD.
Nvidia outsells AMD like 10:1.

Not even AMD cares about selling cheap gaming GPUs. They focus on CPUs.

Reality for you:

NVIDIA Grabs 94% AIB GPU Market Share, AMD Falls to 5%

According to a new report from Jon Peddie Research, NVIDIA has once again increased its market share in the AIB GPU sector, reaching 94% in Q4 2025. This marks a 1.6% rise from the previous quarter and sets a new all-time high in recent reports. Meanwhile, AMD's market share has been declining...

www.techpowerup.com

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-dominates-discrete-gpu-market-as-sales-of-amd-radeon-graphics-cards-hit-historical-low

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/graphics-cards/amds-pc-graphics-card-market-share-falls-to-a-worrying-6-percent-according-to-the-latest-analyst-data-putting-nvidia-at-94-percent-and-probably-an-all-time-high/

Have fun reading facts.

 

[HardReset]

Why the F are you talking about CPUs. We talk GPUs, which is here AMD has tons of work to do. Their CPUs are fine. Their GPUs are mediocre.

Because on CPUs market share does not equal better, why GPUs are different?

I use 9800X3D running at 5.5 GHz on all cores, best gaming chip in the world but Intel has overall better options right now, 270K is overall better value than most AMD CPUs currently, pretty much delivers 9950X application performance and similar game performance for half the price.

AMD X3D is gold, their regular Ryzen chips are nothing special and too expensive really. Zen 6 is needed soon.

Yeah, Intel can compete with pricing, but that's it. Still Intel has much bigger market share.

 

[Rapob]

Because on CPUs market share does not equal better, why GPUs are different?

Yeah, Intel can compete with pricing, but that's it. Still Intel has much bigger market share.

Nvidia dominate AMD with ease in GPU sales. Regardles of market (AI, Enterprise, Gaming) - AMD don't even bother much. Links with proof was provided. Nvidia clearly destroys AMD in terms of GPU gaming sales. Denying reality won't make it true.

AMD does well in CPU sales only. Their prime business. This is where they earn money.

Intel don't have much bigger marketshare. AMD vs Intel on Steam is close to 50/50 today. AMD gained alot of marketshare in the last 5 years. On the GPU side, AMD did not gain much if any.

Intel Core Ultra 7 270K Plus Review - Intel's Fastest Gaming CPU

The Intel Core Ultra 7 270K Plus is a game-changer, featuring more cores and larger cache than the 265K, while cutting the launch price to just $300. In gaming, it outperformed all non-X3D Ryzen CPUs, and application performance is impressive as well, matching the much pricier Ryzen 9 9950X.

www.techpowerup.com

270K Plus is overall better value than most Ryzen CPUs today. X3D is the reason why most (demanding) gamers want AMD. The regular Ryzen chips are not that good, on par with Intel in games yet Intel generally wins easily outside of games.

Conclusion from this Review:

- Gaming performance significantly improved, faster than any non-X3D Ryzen.

- With these numbers, the 270K Plus is beating all AMD CPUs, except for the 9950X ($515) and the 9950X3D ($675)—looks like AMD will have to rethink their pricing.

So, 270K beats Ryzen chips with similar pricing in most/all application tasks. In some tests, Intel wins massively due to much higher core count - I don't even like e-cores but they got vastly better with Arrow Lake and these work fairly well in multithreaded applications.

AMD X3D rules supreme in gaming, for people that want high fps. For high res gamers, being GPU bound, the CPU choice makes little difference. I could see why some would go 270K for 4K/UHD+ gaming, if they are GPU bound anyway. Why waste money on 9950X if 270K costs half and have similar application perf and game perf.

So yeah talking like AMD owns the CPU market, not true. More choose AMD today but AMD raised prices bigtime in recent years and only X3D pulls ahead of Intel in gaming.

Intel CPUs are generally better value. This is fact. More cores for less money. More MT per, better value here.

X3D is the sole reason I am using an AMD CPU. Would not bother with the regular Ryzen chips. Especially not dual CCD chips with latency issues.

Ryzen 9950X vs 270K in applications, very similar perf, yet the AMD CPU costs twice as much. AM5 has superior socket longevity but many don't care.

Can't wait to see Zen 6 vs Nova Lake and bLLC chips. Might be going back to Intel when bLLC hits, if they beat X3D.

The cheap option for me, will be to slap a Zen 6/7 X3D chip in the same board tho, so I am not sure. AMD will face alot more competition with Nova Lake tho.

Yap Yap, this was about GPU marketshare and Nvidia rules supreme here. AMD don't even care about selling dGPUs so why do you even bother to make AMD sound relevant here. TSMC is AMDs biggest problem, too limited by TSMC. Limited capacity and expensive RAM is the reason AMD don't care about gaming GPUs. Miniscule margins and AMD GPUs only sell, when they are dirt cheap. People with actual money, look towards Nvidia and nothing else. They want top tier performance and the best features, with vastly better support in games. RTX dominates due to DLSS, DLAA, DLDSR, FG, SM, MFG, Reflex, RTX HDR and I could go on. Every single Nvidia feature beats the AMD counterpart in both visuals and support.

And this is why AMD is the cheaper alternative. Simple.

 

[DirtyDan]

Nvidia has 10 times the revenue on gaming GPUs compared to AMD.
Nvidia outsells AMD like 10:1.

Not even AMD cares about selling cheap gaming GPUs. They focus on CPUs.

Reality for you:

NVIDIA Grabs 94% AIB GPU Market Share, AMD Falls to 5%

According to a new report from Jon Peddie Research, NVIDIA has once again increased its market share in the AIB GPU sector, reaching 94% in Q4 2025. This marks a 1.6% rise from the previous quarter and sets a new all-time high in recent reports. Meanwhile, AMD's market share has been declining...

www.techpowerup.com

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/nvidia-dominates-discrete-gpu-market-as-sales-of-amd-radeon-graphics-cards-hit-historical-low

https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/graphics-cards/amds-pc-graphics-card-market-share-falls-to-a-worrying-6-percent-according-to-the-latest-analyst-data-putting-nvidia-at-94-percent-and-probably-an-all-time-high/

Have fun reading facts.

Facts? If anything we are both wrong. Remember that steam survey you were toting around? Turns out the 9060xt and 9070xt werent even getting counted. Here you go. Sorry to burst your bubble. I guess AMD has way more market for gaming than you thought lmao.

Latest Steam Hardware Survey Shows AMD Radeon at New 19% High, 9060 XT and 9070 XT Chart for First Time

Plus: The AMD-Intel CPU crossover point is nine months away.

www.digitalfoundry.net

Also, I fully understand what kind of person you are just off of your last comment to HardReset.

Back before the Ryzen 3000 series, AMD had high productivity for lower cost and were below intel in gaming by ~10%. Even though Intel had problems with heat and power consumption. The argument from AMD fanboys was "Well Intel isnt as good at production, it produces so much heat and is inefficient" wanna know what the Intel fanboys responses were? "Who cares? Gaming is what matters".

Now that the roles are swapped, look at what the Intel fanboys are saying. Exactly what you just told HardReset.

You are not only an Nvidia/Intel fanboy like its 2017 again. You are a complete hater of anyone that challenges your thoughts, even when presented with facts and numbers to back it up.

AMD does not own the CPU market, and the only reason they have taken so much of the market is because Intel got complacent by creating products with minimal gains (like Nvidia and their cards), and then tried to jump into the GPU market (like Nvidia with the CPU market). Look at the history, those who do not learn it are doomed to repeat it, and so Nvidia will repeat it.

 

[Rapob]

Facts? If anything we are both wrong. Remember that steam survey you were toting around? Turns out the 9060xt and 9070xt werent even getting counted. Here you go. Sorry to burst your bubble. I guess AMD has way more market for gaming than you thought lmao.

Latest Steam Hardware Survey Shows AMD Radeon at New 19% High, 9060 XT and 9070 XT Chart for First Time

Plus: The AMD-Intel CPU crossover point is nine months away.

www.digitalfoundry.net

Also, I fully understand what kind of person you are just off of your last comment to HardReset.

Back before the Ryzen 3000 series, AMD had high productivity for lower cost and were below intel in gaming by ~10%. Even though Intel had problems with heat and power consumption. The argument from AMD fanboys was "Well Intel isnt as good at production, it produces so much heat and is inefficient" wanna know what the Intel fanboys responses were? "Who cares? Gaming is what matters".

Now that the roles are swapped, look at what the Intel fanboys are saying. Exactly what you just told HardReset.

You are not only an Nvidia/Intel fanboy like its 2017 again. You are a complete hater of anyone that challenges your thoughts, even when presented with facts and numbers to back it up.

AMD does not own the CPU market, and the only reason they have taken so much of the market is because Intel got complacent by creating products with minimal gains (like Nvidia and their cards), and then tried to jump into the GPU market (like Nvidia with the CPU market). Look at the history, those who do not learn it are doomed to repeat it, and so Nvidia will repeat it.

I looked at Steam HW Survey for June, where AMD GPU numbers are fixed - AMD is at 18.5% - Sadly half of the AMD GPU marketshare on Steam, is from iGPUs, which don't count - we talk dGPU marketshare here. Gaming GPUs.

Intel have like 10% GPU share too, if you include iGPUs. Who cares. Pure garbage for gaming just like AMD iGPUs.

AMD is not even at 10% dGPU marketshare. Nvidia sits at like 85-90%. Intel has 1%

Nvidia dominates AMD in terms of GPU sales no matter how you look at it. Nvidia dominates with absolute ease in terms of both desktop and mobile dGPUs.

I use AMD CPU, X3D ofc. Top tier gaming chip. Bet I own more AMD chips than you but their GPUs are obviously mediocre at best. There is a reason I don't use AMD GPU. Nvidia is vastly better overall. My RTX 4090 from 4 years ago literally destroys everything from AMD still, and in terms of features and actual game support of said features, it's day vs night. AMD is years behind and have tons of work to do.

Fun seeing AMD GPU fanboys nerdraging over reality tho.