Gamers Are Wrong About 1440p vs 1080p CPU Benchmarking

You talk like a real fanboy and don't get the point. You just had to lower your resolution, and most of the time, the result from the lower resolution will look better than the upscaling option. Upscaling didn't save the handheld market, Nintendo sold more Switch than Sony sold Playstations 4, so your argument is not serious. Nothing has changed, it is still pretty much accurate in 2026 and now upscaling is used as an excuse by devs to release broken products that are unoptimized mess.

The latest to the entry is Nioh 3, which look nice but nothing special, and should run at 4k 60 FPS on a 9070XT at max without any hiccup, instead it runs at 35-40 FPS, half of the performance it should run at.

What are you seriously talking about, sounds like you have no clue about new tech at all. No experience.

Lowering resolution on a LCD panel to a non-native is a no-go, unless maybe dual mode is supported, the lower alternative still looks worse and muddy here. Upscaling is a much better option that also has built in top tier AA and sharpening on top, it will look vastly better than just lowering resolution. Just stop.

I bet you use dated hardware with no option for DLSS 4 and FSR 4 so your saying is worth nothing, upscaling is here to stay, whatever you like it or not, pretty much all gamers with uptodate hardware uses it, or uses DLAA or FSR Native if they want peak image quality and nothing else. Options are many you see.
 
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Steve and Hardware Unboxed don't understand CPU testing.

FYI, Steve deleted this comment from the corresponding HU video, and banned me from commenting on their channel for making it. I think that shows he knows he's not being honest and has something to hide. So, let's get into it.

I see that Steve is trying to gaslight everyone once again.

Each argument Steve makes on this topic is a mischaracterisation, and frankly, technically-illiterate. He says 1440p data is useless and tells nothing that you can't learn from the 1080p data. But 1080p data doesn't tell you when and to what severity bottlenecking kicks in, which is important buying information, and so Steve's argument here is false. And it's something Steve's been confronted on multiple times before, so he should be aware of that, even if basic logic for some reason didn't kick in for him. And this is not an either/or situation between 1080p and 1440p. I've never seen anybody pose it to Steve as that, but I have seen many explicitly tell him it isn't that - 1440p testing only compliments 1080p testing. So, he's falsely framing the argument in a way that manipulates viewers towards an uninformed conclusion. This is called "poisoning the well".

A single point of data is non-interpretable, and doesn't leave room for people to understand what it means for their PC. If you add a second, slightly GPU-bound point of data, which shows where and how quickly performance drop-off occurs, then you create a performance delta from which anybody can relate to their own system to understand what kind of performance they'd personally get from that CPU. 1080p results next to 1440p results creates that performance delta, and makes a CPU review far more practically informative for one of its primary purposes.

I'd've thought the concept of performance deltas would be understood by the enthusiast community. Gamers Nexus uses deltas frequently. But maybe HU's audience is more mainstream and casual, and not so much enthusiast.

The purpose of a CPU review is generally to inform on what a CPU's identity is, and what it means to viewers. Unbound 1080p data accomplishes the first point, but not the second. It doesn't let people who game at higher resolutions know whether they would personally experience any benefit from paying more for the CPU that looks 20% more performative in 1080p benchmarks. Providing a performance delta that shows where and how quickly performance drops-off due to bottlenecking accomplishes the latter point of conveying how the CPU's performance will translate to their individual systems, regardless of their specific hardware, and completes the purpose of a CPU review.

Steve deceitfully claims showing GPU-limited data would only mislead people - which is akin to saying showing 1080p data will mislead people... which it will if they're fed a false explanation about what that data shows. But why would you do that? Yet Steve is doing precisely that regarding 1440p data, apparently for the sole purpose of wanting to manipulate people to agree with his position. In fact, showing people 1080p data without telling them the same relative performance gap won't be present with 1440p gaming is misleading - and that misleading situation can be rectified by explaining and showing the bottlenecking that occurs at 1440p.

Showing a car's technical max performance on a dyno doesn't make the real-world, city-driving performance irrelevant. In fact, the real-world performance can be more relevant to people. That's why automotive reviews routinely give both sets of data. The exact same applies to PC hardware reviews. But Steve pretends otherwise and does everything to deceive his audience to think the same.

This is barely scratching the surface of the full scope of reasons why Steve's arguments are wrong. Steve is completely mischaracterising and avoiding the real arguments for higher-res benchmarks. That Steve calls his false assertions "just a fact" suggests his comprehension is limited.

Running a formulaic tech channel doesn't necessarily mean that someone is very tech smart and can think outside the box. It seems to me that Steve has trouble reasoning outside of his usual routine.
 
This topic crops up about once a year, or so.

It's pretty simple stuff.

But to the good Techspot reviewers, staff etc. Consider this as part of the job. Explaining clearly and precisely as you have done in the past (I didn't read this years post - I already know this.)
should be done annually. Plus in the tests/reviews section a summary added.

TBH years ago this wasn't instantly apparent to me. But after an expanation - I forget, but probably a long extinct tech site from pre- 2010. Like riding a bike. Once understood/learn't, never forgotten.

Even so it is good of you to provide results for 1080p, and higher. A lot of work but folks will work it out for themselves.

If you really wanted to make a point, do a set of tests at 720p, then repeat at 4k.
 
Let's put the question as starkly as possible. Is it worth paying double for a CPU that gives you 75% more performance than a cheaper model? Now rephrase it: is it worth paying double if it gives 75% more at 1080p but only 2% more at 4K ... and you're always at a 4K resolution?

If you only care about present performance, you can choose the cpu that delivers your desired framerate. if a cpu can push 60fps at 1080p it can do that at any resolution (with a powerful gpu), because the higher the resolution the more you are limited by the GPU. So in order to test the CPU, they need to reduce the GPU bottleneck to the minimum. That is why they use the 5090 at 1080p low details.
Let's try an analogy:
If you want to test how fast a car can go, you choose a race track, not drive it through a city. maybe most of the time, in real life, the car will be driven in a city, but that is not the point of the test.
 
Even so it is good of you to provide results for 1080p, and higher. A lot of work but folks will work it out for themselves.

If you really wanted to make a point, do a set of tests at 720p, then repeat at 4k.

The thing is, Steve's arguments on this topic are either completely wrong or strawmen. And 720p vs 4k benchmark results does nothing to address the matter, as it skips over showing where bottlenecking begins to appear (which is usually at 1440p), and how drastic the performance benefit drop-off is at that point. And seeing that information is the crux of the topic - as I just explained in detail in my post right before yours.

What Steve has done is create a strawman narrative to misdirect people away from understanding what the topic is actually about, so that he can falsely claim vindication in his position, when he's actually been wrong the entire time. It's an incredibly, exceedingly petty behaviour of his, and it's clearly a personal difficulty for him to accept when reality isn't what he wants it to be. So, he's concocted a fictional framing of the topic to act-out a position of superior knowledge, when he's really being a charlatan.
 
Steve and Hardware Unboxed don't understand CPU testing.

FYI, Steve deleted this comment from the corresponding HU video, and banned me from commenting on their channel for making it. I think that shows he knows he's not being honest and has something to hide. So, let's get into it.

I see that Steve is trying to gaslight everyone once again.

Each argument Steve makes on this topic is a mischaracterisation, and frankly, technically-illiterate. He says 1440p data is useless and tells nothing that you can't learn from the 1080p data. But 1080p data doesn't tell you when and to what severity bottlenecking kicks in, which is important buying information, and so Steve's argument here is false. And it's something Steve's been confronted on multiple times before, so he should be aware of that, even if basic logic for some reason didn't kick in for him. And this is not an either/or situation between 1080p and 1440p. I've never seen anybody pose it to Steve as that, but I have seen many explicitly tell him it isn't that - 1440p testing only compliments 1080p testing. So, he's falsely framing the argument in a way that manipulates viewers towards an uninformed conclusion. This is called "poisoning the well".

A single point of data is non-interpretable, and doesn't leave room for people to understand what it means for their PC. If you add a second, slightly GPU-bound point of data, which shows where and how quickly performance drop-off occurs, then you create a performance delta from which anybody can relate to their own system to understand what kind of performance they'd personally get from that CPU. 1080p results next to 1440p results creates that performance delta, and makes a CPU review far more practically informative for one of its primary purposes.

I'd've thought the concept of performance deltas would be understood by the enthusiast community. Gamers Nexus uses deltas frequently. But maybe HU's audience is more mainstream and casual, and not so much enthusiast.

The purpose of a CPU review is generally to inform on what a CPU's identity is, and what it means to viewers. Unbound 1080p data accomplishes the first point, but not the second. It doesn't let people who game at higher resolutions know whether they would personally experience any benefit from paying more for the CPU that looks 20% more performative in 1080p benchmarks. Providing a performance delta that shows where and how quickly performance drops-off due to bottlenecking accomplishes the latter point of conveying how the CPU's performance will translate to their individual systems, regardless of their specific hardware, and completes the purpose of a CPU review.

Steve deceitfully claims showing GPU-limited data would only mislead people - which is akin to saying showing 1080p data will mislead people... which it will if they're fed a false explanation about what that data shows. But why would you do that? Yet Steve is doing precisely that regarding 1440p data, apparently for the sole purpose of wanting to manipulate people to agree with his position. In fact, showing people 1080p data without telling them the same relative performance gap won't be present with 1440p gaming is misleading - and that misleading situation can be rectified by explaining and showing the bottlenecking that occurs at 1440p.

Showing a car's technical max performance on a dyno doesn't make the real-world, city-driving performance irrelevant. In fact, the real-world performance can be more relevant to people. That's why automotive reviews routinely give both sets of data. The exact same applies to PC hardware reviews. But Steve pretends otherwise and does everything to deceive his audience to think the same.

This is barely scratching the surface of the full scope of reasons why Steve's arguments are wrong. Steve is completely mischaracterising and avoiding the real arguments for higher-res benchmarks. That Steve calls his false assertions "just a fact" suggests his comprehension is limited.

Running a formulaic tech channel doesn't necessarily mean that someone is very tech smart and can think outside the box. It seems to me that Steve has trouble reasoning outside of his usual routine.
Sour grapes.

I didn't read past your personal "gaslight" comment, as you are emotional and making it personal. Tech and logic don't sit well in such an environment. (for your consideration.)

I'm not going to mention any names as that would be contradicting myself. But I will say as a general personal opinion, the folks here do a pretty good job.

No point sticking with any forum/site if a member has some kind of personal beef with the forum/sites reviews, articles, moderators, writers etc etc...Just move on to another.
 
The thing is, Steve's arguments on this topic are either completely wrong or strawmen. And 720p vs 4k benchmark results does nothing to address the matter, as it skips over showing where bottlenecking begins to appear (which is usually at 1440p), and how drastic the performance benefit drop-off is at that point. And seeing that information is the crux of the topic - as I just explained in detail in my post right before yours.

What Steve has done is create a strawman narrative to misdirect people away from understanding what the topic is actually about, so that he can falsely claim vindication in his position, when he's actually been wrong the entire time. It's an incredibly, exceedingly petty behaviour of his, and it's clearly a personal difficulty for him to accept when reality isn't what he wants it to be. So, he's concocted a fictional framing of the topic to act-out a position of superior knowledge, when he's really being a charlatan.
:laughing::joy:
 
You should read it, otherwise you don't know what you're commenting on. And your comment here makes plain that you don't know what you're commenting on, or talking about.

My post isn't a personal beef, it's a topic analysis. And I didn't make a comment on TechSpot as a whole, I commented on Steve's lack of knowledge and honesty regarding a specific topic, while going into detail addressing each of his arguments and explaining why they aren't the actual arguments, and what the validity of the actual arguments are.

Since when is breaking-down the facts of a topic a personal beef? Think first. Then post. You didn't do that here.

BTW, what you're incorrectly accusing me of is literally what Steve has done: His approach of this topic has been emotional and condescending. He made a poll asking whether people would prefer to see different benchmark sets with multiple graphical settings or resolutions, saying HU has only so much time and needs help picking which to do, pretending it was an honest ask, and then when people chose the one he didn't like, he made a snarky video telling people why they were wrong for wanting what they wanted - when it was actually just Steve who was again being wrong on the topic.

I guess Steve should follow your advice and give-up doing tech reviews, because there's no point in him sticking to a business where he has a personal beef with his own audience.

And I guess there's no point in you sticking around here, if you have a personal beef with commentators like me - to use your interpretation and application of "personal beef".
I was going to read it after the post quoted, until I read your second to last paragraph.

"Steve should follow your advice and give-up doing tech reviews."

I didn't and wouldn't say that. There is no point reading stuff made up.

Having said that, this is getting amusing, so please stick around and post some more!!
Yeah baby!! :yum
 
I was going to read it after the post quoted, until I read your second to last paragraph.

"Steve should follow your advice and give-up doing tech reviews."

I didn't and wouldn't say that. There is no point reading stuff made up.

Having said that, this is getting amusing, so please stick around and post some more!!
Yeah baby!! :yum
Are you really going to claim that you didn't just say that if a person has a beef with how someone in a place behaves that they should cut themselves off from that place and do something else? Because I have receipts:

"No point sticking with any forum/site if a member has some kind of personal beef with the forum/sites reviews, articles, moderators, writers etc etc...Just move on to another."

So, if this is actually proper advice for people (which, obviously, to any semi-sane person my point was that it's not), then it would imply Steve should quit doing CPU reviews, since he clearly has a beef with his own audience, per his own poll in which the majority favoured higher-resolution CPU benchmarking - which motivated him to make his snarky, but technically-illiterate video (and now TechSpot article) addressing it.

I can see why this is a topic you're particularly confused on. Your level of comprehension, or lack thereof, is showing. Great self-own, though. Would you like to try another?
 
What I am saying is that it takes work to go from that methodology to answer questions that the test does not directly answer, questions that myself and others have pointed out, and indeed, there are questions that the 1080p methodology alone cannot answer.
Yes, it takes work. So you go do that work then. Take the 1080p CPU test, and cross-reference the results with GPU tests of the GPU you have/want at the resolution that you have/want. That is the only accurate way to answer those questions you have.
What you shouldn't do is expect reviewers to be the ones to put in the work to produce lots of worthless, redundant data just to cater to your whims.
That's the point, literally all you need from a CPU test are low-resolution tests with a high-end GPU, to know what's the uncapped performance of each CPU. Everything else we can figure out on our own. And since reviewers don't have infinite time to produce the reviews, adding anything to the test besides low-resolution testing makes the relevant part of the test worse (e.g. testing 10 games at 1080p and 1440p, instead of testing 20 games at 1080p which would be better).
 
Sour grapes.

I didn't read past your personal "gaslight" comment, as you are emotional and making it personal. Tech and logic don't sit well in such an environment. (for your consideration.)

I'm not going to mention any names as that would be contradicting myself. But I will say as a general personal opinion, the folks here do a pretty good job.

No point sticking with any forum/site if a member has some kind of personal beef with the forum/sites reviews, articles, moderators, writers etc etc...Just move on to another.
Not at all. You should read it, otherwise you don't know what you're commenting on. And your comment here makes plain that you don't know what you're commenting on, or talking about.

My post isn't a personal beef, it's a topic analysis - which you'd have known if you read it. And I didn't make a remark on TechSpot as a whole, I only commented on Steve's lack of knowledge and honesty regarding a specific topic, while going into detail addressing each of his arguments and explaining why they aren't the actual arguments, and what the validity of the actual arguments are.

Since when is breaking-down the facts of a topic a personal beef? Think first. Then post. You didn't do that here.

BTW, what you're incorrectly accusing me of is literally what Steve has done: His approach of this topic has been emotional and condescending. He made a poll asking whether people would prefer to see different benchmark sets with multiple graphical settings or resolutions, saying HU has only so much time and needs help picking which to do, pretending it was an honest ask, and then when people chose the one he didn't like, he made a snarky video telling people why they were wrong for wanting what they wanted - when it was actually just Steve who was again being wrong on the topic.

I guess Steve should follow your advice and give-up doing tech reviews, because there's no point in him sticking to a business where he has a personal beef with his own audience.

And I guess there's no point in you sticking around here, if you have a personal beef with commentators like me - to use your interpretation and application of "personal beef".
 
If you had read what I posted, you'd realize how ridiculous that kind of a reply is. And as you said you aren't going to read my topic breakdown, and so have no clue whatsoever of what you're making that response to, it makes you look all the more ridiculous.

To be clear, Steve is completely wrong on this topic, and he's intentionally framing it falsely so he can pretend otherwise. Steve has deleted so many comments correcting him from the HU YT channel, and apparently banned accounts to prevent others from learning about the reality of the topic, that there's no argument to be made that he isn't conscious to his hiding the facts and poisoning the well.

But if you want to actually inform yourself of what you're even commenting on, I recommend going back to my post that's 10 posts up, which breaks-down the topic and shows exactly where and why Steve is wrong.
 
Are you really going to claim that you didn't just say that if a person has a beef with how someone in a place behaves that they should cut themselves off from that place and do something else? Because I have receipts:

"No point sticking with any forum/site if a member has some kind of personal beef with the forum/sites reviews, articles, moderators, writers etc etc...Just move on to another."

So, if this is actually proper advice for people (which, obviously, to any semi-sane person my point was that it's not), then it would imply Steve should quit doing CPU reviews, since he clearly has a beef with his own audience, per his own poll in which the majority favoured higher-resolution CPU benchmarking - which motivated him to make his snarky, but technically-illiterate video (and now TechSpot article) addressing it.

I can see why this is a topic you're particularly confused on. Your level of comprehension, or lack thereof, is showing. Great self-own, though. Would you like to try another?
Good lad! Don't give up. I claim you are poor at understanding what a sentence means.

But it's all a good laugh, so please try as much as much as you can. Practice makes perfect, and in the process we can all laugh together! Great stuff! (y) (Y) (y) (Y)
 
Good lad! Don't give up. I claim you are poor at understanding what a sentence means.

But it's all a good laugh, so please try as much as much as you can. Practice makes perfect, and in the process we can all laugh together! Great stuff! (y) (Y) (y) (Y)
Honestly, that's not the best attempt at covering for the fact that you didn't remember what you'd just written, and didn't catch what the implication of what you wrote is.

Some people are graceful at dealing with being confronted with their faux pas. But apparently you're not one of them. :joy:
 
All this just to try to obfuscate that you didn't understand what you were commenting on and doing. Does this normally happen when you're wrong about something? If so, that's definitely something for you to work on.
 
I have no doubt you are the most graceful boy in the whole wide world! Good on ya!
All this just to try to obfuscate that you didn't understand what you were commenting on and doing. Does this normally happen when you're wrong about something? If so, that's definitely something for you to work on.
😀 :yum:joy::heart_eyes:
 
Honestly, that's not the best attempt at covering for the fact that you didn't remember what you'd just written, and didn't catch what the implication of what you wrote is.

Some people are graceful at dealing with being confronted with their faux pas. But apparently you're not one of them. :joy:
SEE, now you are laughing too!! I knew we would get there together.:heart_eyes:
 
I have no doubt you are the most graceful boy in the whole wide world! Good on ya!

😀 :yum:joy::heart_eyes:
When Steve gets comments on HU YT videos that show he's wrong about something, he deletes them, and sometimes even bans the account who made them.

When you have it pointed-out that you're wrong about something, you spam-post obfuscation, hoping to bury the posts showing that you were wrong and what you were wrong on.

Is that you, Steve? It'd make sense that you'd use an alt rather than act this way with your professional account.
 
You're the only one laughing at something you didn't understand.
Well, never mind, you will get it soon enough. Then we will both be laughing together again, like you did briefly a moment ago. Hold on to that feeling, and laugh at me, at yourself, and generally be happy. 😀

P.S. I liked two of your post to give you a bit of boost.
 
Honestly, that's not the best attempt at covering for the fact that you didn't remember what you'd just written, and didn't catch what the implication of what you wrote is.

Some people are graceful at dealing with being confronted with their faux pas. But apparently you're not one of them. :joy:
Hold on to this feeling, when you were practicing French. Whatever it takes.
 
if a cpu can push 60fps at 1080p it can do that at any resolution (with a powerful gpu),
Oops! That statement is true only if one assumes an infinitely powerful GPU. When you find out what vendor sells those, let me know.

So in order to test the CPU, they need to reduce the GPU bottleneck to the minimum.
But they're not doing that at all. There's a certain degree of bottleneck even at 1080p, which is why these titles will all run faster even lower resolutions. If "testing only the CPU" was the sole consideration, why not test at 640p? Or better yet -- test against games that run entirely without video acceleration at all?
 
Well, never mind, you will get it soon enough. Then we will both be laughing together again, like you did briefly a moment ago. Hold on to that feeling, and laugh at me, at yourself, and generally be happy. 😀

P.S. I liked two of your post to give you a bit of boost.
Does this make being wrong easier for you?
 
Hold on to this feeling, when you were practicing French. Whatever it takes.
Huh? Are you maybe practicing English with that comment?

For someone who advocated just leaving if you struggle with a response you're given, you sure have a hard time adhering to that advice after issues in multiple of your comments were pointed out.
 
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