Megalomaniac
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The 5090 is the top of the charts with no rivals and it dopesn't look like Nvidia is too quick to replace it.
The RTX 5090 Is No Longer Fast Enough
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The 5090 is the top of the charts with no rivals and it dopesn't look like Nvidia is too quick to replace it.
b3rdm4n
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Not only that, but the way they say it..
"From team red we have GPU's that are $300-400 less than team green."
Is phrased like that was always the price difference. Most people that own a 5070Ti bought it before the apocalypse, steam data backs that up as the share is growing more slowly against 9070XT now, but smashed it earlier on. Mentioning 'teams' too is a choice.
disinfect8280
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You might be right. At least it will last longer with double the performance. The pace of GPU (and CPU for that matter) releases are slowing a lot lately. I don't think my system will last that long with a 9070XT and 1440p ultrawide monitor. I'm sure I'll be tempted to upgrade when the next Cyberpunk comes out or I setup a sim racing rig. But who knows if pricing will be justifiable.
You don't unless you need an Nvidia card for CUDA or are a professional streamer.
Pricing from last year doesn't matter for anyone in the market for a new card, in the memory apocalypse, pricing is what matters since Nvidia or AMD probably won't launch a new GPU anytime soon, if they do prices will be out of hand.
It sure seems to be about teams when people still insist on a significantly more expensive GPU with pricing in a bubble from last year.
The part you keep missing is that a few hundred dollars is not automatically “significantly more expensive” to someone already shopping at the top end.
If I'm already spending well over $1,000 on a GPU, another $200-$300 can be perfectly reasonable if it gets me the fastest card, better ray tracing, the better upscaling, frame generation ecosystem, stronger game support, and the software stack I prefer.
That isn't “Team Green.” That's called buying the product you think is best.
And no, CUDA has absolutely nothing to do with my argument. I'm talking about a gaming GPU, not pretending everyone buying a 5090 is training an AI model in the basement.
Current pricing matters, absolutely. But value isn't simply “cheapest card wins.” If two cards are already expensive and the difference is a few hundred bucks, plenty of buyers will pay the difference to get the better overall product. Always have!
And....., this is a big part of why Nvidia stays on top while AMD keeps chasing from behind. Nvidia gives buyers reasons to spend more beyond raw raster performance alone. AMD too often has to win by being cheaper.
You see the same problem on the CPU side. AMD has done extremely well in gaming because 3D VCache is a monster advantage. But if that advantage disappears, they still have to compete on the whole package, not just one killer feature. They can not win without it....Fact!
Otherwise, by that logic, nobody would ever buy the top trim of anything. We'd all be driving base model Corollas and congratulating ourselves on winning the value war.
That’s because Nvidia is currently too busy making obscene amounts of money selling AI hardware to rush out a replacement for a gaming GPU that already sits alone at the top.
Gaming will get Nvidia’s full attention again when the AI gold rush slows down...if it ever does. Until then, I wouldn’t expect some magical new flagship to suddenly appear and save everybody. And if Nvidia does launch something soon, odds are supply will be limited, pricing will be ridiculous, and everyone will complain while they still sell out.
The 5090 isn’t hanging around because Nvidia forgot how to make GPUs. It’s hanging around because Nvidia has very little financial reason to hurry.
Megalomaniac
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Nvidia has decided to cater to the trillion dollar corporations rather than waste time making cards for children with credit cards who want to make ugly epilleptic seizure cases.
I forsee a future where everything is system on chip.
That would drive the kids crazy as they can't brag about their builds anymore.
Megalomaniac
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Or you have the money, got it at the right price and you wanna play your games in the maximum graphic fidelity possible.
Gastec
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Probably most of you were not born when Compaq laptops or Macs were luxury items, costing thousands of dollars, basically all through the 1990's. Back then, at least, they had acceptable justifications for those high prices, cutting-edge tech, difficult to produce, R&D costs, etc, we could understand it. But nowadays there is no justification for the exorbitant prices of these computer components, it's ALL just market speculation, which certain TV presenters like to call "pure Capitalism". Meaning that I, as a maker of desired objects or food, can ask for whatever price for my products, even 20 times what it costs me to make them, as long as there are buyers for them it's all good, life goes on and I get rich.
captaincranky
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IIRC, even the famous/infamous Radio Shack, "Trash 80" home tower, drew prices approaching $2,000.
Aolish
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For me, I have two answers to this, one is that this is complete bollocks lol, and the other answer is PC developers have a huge hill to climb when it comes to the impossibility of optimizing a game to run on every hardware variable that is out there. I would say why not meet in the middle? I completely understand that developers cannot possibly tweak their games like how they can on a console. But I also think despite that impossibility, there is ALWAYS room for improvements no matter how varied the PC hardware market is. They can certainly do better than what they are doing now. They may never get to the level of console optimizations but they can definitely do better if they really tried. I just feel like they aren't because of time and money. I feel like there is no reason why a 5090 shouldn't be able to play games at max settings nowadays, come on. That's a $2000 MSRP card. In my opinion, this has more to do with a lack of optimization on the developers part than just reaching their limit. John Carmack suggests the world could run on older hardware if we optimized software better. I couldn't agree with him more on that notion. But since time and money takes priority over anything else, optimization is not going to be a priority as we hope it would be. The only way I see companies will take priority over this is if suddenly AMD and Nvidia decided they won't create any more GPUs till the foreseeable future. Do you guys realize how fast they are going to be jumping on the optimization bandwagon? Suddenly games they thought that would never run on a 3060 now suddenly runs because they had no choice but to use that. They'd be busting out all the tricks of the trades, workarounds, tweaks, and even study the hardware from the inside to the out to get even more juice out of it. When push comes to shove, they WILL find a way to make a game work on lower end hardware to make those sales. But since there is an abundance amount of ram, v-ram, super powerful video cards, and mega powerful CPUs, the incentive of trying to tweak your games won't be there since they know people will just throw in more money to brute force their way to getting the playable frame rates they want.
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b3rdm4n
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Pricing today doesn't matter for anyone that already owns the cards, which the vast majority do.
Today's pricing matters mostly because it suits your team-brain and you need a reason for your team to be good and the other team to be bad.
You're making it about teams, to most people it's not, it's about performance, features and support, Where Nvidia earn a premium over the lesser Radeon's.
It's too tribal for some, a 5070Ti could be $50 more than a 9070XT and you'd have foolishly brand loyal people shouting from the rooftop the price difference isn't justified and the 9070XT is as good or better.
So you're saying people today shouldn't build a PC at all.
Pricing today matters for anyone who wants or needs to build a PC.
You're going on about teams, clearly biased towards the green side.
The fact is today a competing card is a $300-400 difference. The features Nvidia has isn't worth that much of a premium unless someone has deep enough pockets to want or need a 5090.
The 5070ti hasn't been close to its MSRP since launch, near launch prices are pointless to be arguing over now.
b3rdm4n
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This isn't what I said at all, don't strawman me
It sure does, and most know to wait, seek specials, or if desperate buy the Radeon because of the current market conditions. But again, most people who wanted those cards bought them before price skyrocketed, they've been out 1.5 years.
Is it easier to attack me if you attribute me to a side I never claimed to be on? You're the one talking about teams, not me. I couldn't care less, in fact I loathe so many things about Nvidia and would love to see AMD dominate them. I'm just also pragmatic.
Lies, for most of 2025 it could be had at, slightly higher than and in many cases slightly lower than MSRP.
Please don't project your bias onto me.
captaincranky
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Well no, today's prices are absolutely worth complaining about. With respect to Nvidia and Mr. Huang in particular, unfettered greed, and a total lack of regard for individual consumers have led us to this point. Individual customers who I might add, greatly aided to their current successes and reputation in the GPU industry. In short, capitalism has no foundation in, or any regard for, moral decency or consumer loyalty.
This shouldn't come as any surprise. Throughout the ages, vendors, (or should we call them, "dealers"?), have responded to customer's, perceived "needs". in the very same way, by jacking up the prices. A few salient examples of these "needs" would be, heroin, cocaine, nicotine, alcohol, and more recently, video games and the gear with which to play them.
Make no mistake about it, gaming is a severe addiction. The reason it isn't normally recognized as such, is that it generally doesn't have secondary victims. Gaming does however, appeal to man's baser instincts. You might say that it's "healthy", in that it directs those instincts into a socially acceptable form. After all, who hasn't secretly wanted to fight in wars, blow their annoying neighbor's brains out, or kill indiscriminately, without any civil or personal jeopardy? Hell, I'm sure that even imagining such things to our satisfactory conclusions, has a "calming" effect.
Anyway, those individuals most successful at capitalism, are most often, if not always, sociopaths. One of sociopathy's most prominent symptom is a total disregard for the feelings of others, (a complete lack of empathy). So, I can say without reservation that Jensen Huang doesn't give a crap how much you have to pay for his video cards. The d*cking you get, is just another notch in his jockstrap, and one very tiny step in satisfying his greed. A greed that I might add, is, and will always be, insatiable.
At the end of the day, these current shortages and absurd prices, are the unfortunate result of individual gamer's greed, baser instincts, and addictions, powered by the perceived necessity of "keeping up with the Joneses". "Oh hubby, the neighbors just got new carpets, when can we get ours replaced?" Same sh!t, different context. The result of all things in "life's auctions", is that the good stuff always goes to the highest bidder.
Anecdotally, we had a member who never failed to brag that he had, "two RTX-3090"s". The topic might be about PSUs, but somehow those VGAs remained omnipresent.
So here's wishing you a, happy Labor Day, unlimited FPS , and above all....Cheers.
captaincranky
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@Loadedaxe We've previously discussed as to where "supply and demand " ends, and when, "price gouging", begins. The following is an example of what I consider "gouging", the difference in price between "then and now" of a 6TB WD "Black" HDD.
Note that I'm unable to calculate how much effect that Poopy Pants' tariffs have had on the price. That amount of RAM cache in each example is however, identical. (256MB)
IMO, the more than doubling of the price, (even at full pop at the time, less than a year ago, $170.00), is simply predicated on how much a similar 6TBs of SSD would currently be priced.
Note that I'm unable to calculate how much effect that Poopy Pants' tariffs have had on the price. That amount of RAM cache in each example is however, identical. (256MB)
IMO, the more than doubling of the price, (even at full pop at the time, less than a year ago, $170.00), is simply predicated on how much a similar 6TBs of SSD would currently be priced.
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