The tech industry shows solidarity in the face of Donald Trump's immigration ban

Puiu

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The tech industry shows solidarity in the face of Donald Trump's immigration ban
I'm not sure if it's because English is not my native language, but it shows as if Tech industry is in favour of the ban. This is all, I do see another Trump-gorefest going on so just a "drive by".

Oh @Puiu ,... how could you say that Trump made America a North Korea, you lost any type of past/current/future coherency with a couple words =(
"in the face of" is generally used as an idiom to show opposition against something/someone. "Solidarity in the face of Adversity" is something you might have heard in the past since it's used fairly often in speeches/movies/articles/books/etc.

FYI I won't take back what I said. closing off borders like how Trump did will only make the entire world look the US as if it's a communist country lead by a madman drunk on power.
 
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risc32

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"Typical response of a racist. I'm sorry but all you said is just your own delusion based on you reading some white supremacist blogs or something similarly stupid to that.
FYI America lives and breaths on immigration. Immigration is how the country functions. Calling people "open border types" is the mark of a kid who doesn't know his own country's history."

I think you don't know the history of this country and immigration. perhaps you go get your learn on.
 

wiyosaya

TS Evangelist
Worse, these actions will make America less safe (through hatred and loss of allies) rather than more safe

Yeah. Because letting people in from terrorist hotbeds makes us safer.

Missing from this article is that the nations affected by the ban came from Obama. It's his list. He also did the same to Iraqis several years ago and I don't recall any tech websites (or firms) screaming and yelling about that.
"Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.' https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14:6&version=NIV Isn't this the passage that Christians use at their basis for taking over the world?
You do realise that what you said is childish right? All Trump did is create more hatred. THE END
The more the left and it's puppet masters hate, the better. The more they hate and the more violent they become, the more people will recognize them for what they are. And the more that happens, the more people will support these policies to protect them from the barbarians.

You open borders types have no idea the type of deep seeded hatred and resentment you're breeding by flooding western countries with foreigners and granting them preference as protected populations.

In fact, there was a migrant who recently drowned in Venice...to the cheers and jeers of observers. At some point, someone told the guy to "go back to Africa." Now, nobody was obligated to jump in and save him. But the fact that they were amused by the poor fellow's misfortune should tell you something.

What's going on in this country and Europe is a war between globalists, nationalists, and non-Europeans brought about by 60 years of multiculturalism and progressivism's cancerous effects on Western identity and culture. It isn't going to end peacefully.

He arbitrarily decided that the America isn't America anymore but North Korea.
Further responses will be ignored. You're too short for the ride.

I think the Executive Order could have been significantly improved with some input from staff.
Most of this stuff was likely planned out months ago. This is an opening salvo intended to lead up to a more thorough set of policies.
Ah yes. Showing your true Sundae School colors. Using hate to justify hate. How very Christ-like. Still refusing to see that Trump's views are not of Christ?
 
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davislane1

Kunming

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Ahh, same old conservative paranoia about the notorious "liberal media" continuously distorting the truth, lacking any type of fact checking and destroying America! You are so hilarious. So what would be the neutral or independent news/media souces that those "informed about the World" Americans watch or read? Would you oblige to share? Is it Faux News? Perhaps it is Inquirer, that Donald Trump likes to read? Would it be Breitbart, maybe, that Trump's Chief Strategist Steve Bannon use to lead?
I'm not a conservative and it has nothing to do with paranoia, but nice try with your lame peasantry and superiority-complex. Your mocking tone is just stupid and actually re-affirms a lot of things. It's not an "opinion" that the liberal media distorts the facts. It's a fact - ever read "Manufacturing Consent" by Noam Chomsky, an MIT Professor and one of the most cited academics ever? I bet not. As I said, it's censorship by omission. That's not to say conservative media don't censor or distort either (us media is generally horrible), but that liberal media have a special appeal, because they seem "decent" and "professional". Yes I'd love to share an example of how journalism is done: John Pilger, one of the most legendary independent journalists ever. If americans read his posts everyday, they wouldn't support stupid notions like invasions of various countries or holding political prisoners like Julian Assange. So, do you have anything to actually say, besides mockery and fake outrage?
 

wiyosaya

TS Evangelist
I'm sorry but that thing about college... you are either bullshiting or just have double standards.
No joke. My college GPA is 3.7. History classes were great electives for easy As.

And another thing: what? you can't be racist because you have mixed blood? I only gave the "white supremacist" as an example and clearly stated that it isn't limited to just that.
"Anybody who doesn't support open borders is a racist."

Height requirement reinstated.
I suspect your version of history is not based on independent thought, but rather on the views of those who wrote the history books. "History is written by the victors." Walter Benjamin.
 

wiyosaya

TS Evangelist
This is a simple case of Trump using his power as president to arbitrarily ban countries for his own business benefit. Where is the ban for Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, the United Arab Emirates (UAE), Indonesia and Afghanistan? These countries are where the US got attacked from in the past 4 decades.

This is what happens when when a president is elected without actually winning the popular vote by a broken archaic election system.
Why are those other countries off the list? I can't say, but I'd imagine it's because we're trying to prevent the next attack, not the last one.

Don't start on the popular vote thing... We won't ever have a popular vote system because the country would never allow California to choose our president every 4 years. Here's an analogy for you....The Super Bowl is next weekend - who should win? The team who scores the most points or the one who gains the most yards? Electoral votes are how we score elections - get over it. At some point democrats will understand that the biggest reason they lost the election is hanging right over their bathroom sink. But until then, keep throwing random theories out there and calling people racist - it's done more to turn the country red than anything anyone on the right has done. So, thanks!

America has never been more divided and it's full of people with no balls to stand up for what they believe.
You do realize this is why people voted for Trump.
It may be why you voted for Trump, but it is certainly not the reason everyone voted for Trump. The reasons I have heard of people voting for Trump are as varied as the people who voted for him. Most of what I heard, to me, anyway, sounds like people put their hopes into him that he could and would change the government so that it becomes more functional. As I see it, these are noble aspirations, however, I do not think that those who primarily voted for him for those reasons have yet seen his true face. He is starting to reveal his true face. My bet is that at least some of those who voted for him will end up being horrified, and thus change their vote in the future.

You talk as if this election was the be-all, end-all for all future elections. I suspect that you will be disappointed, then, at some point in the future.
 
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Kunming

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It may be why you voted for Trump, but it is certainly not the reason everyone voted for Trump. The reasons I have heard of people voting for Trump are as varied as the people who voted for him. Most of what I heard, to me, anyway, sounds like people put their hopes into him that he could and would change the government so that it becomes more functional. As I see it, these are noble aspirations, however, I do not think that those who primarily voted for him for those reasons have yet seen his true face. He is starting to reveal his true face. My bet is that at least some of those who voted for him will end up being horrified, and thus change their vote in the future.

You talk as if this election was the be-all, end-all for all future elections. I suspect that you will be disappointed, then, at some point in the future.
Well if the us keeps enforcing its rights in places of the world where it doesn't even belong, then it might be the last election, given war with China. Thanks to us media bias and censorship by omission, many on the us side believe the war to be justified. Much like the Vietnam war, Iraq wars, Afghanistan wars, Libyan wars, Syrian wars and so on. Without seeing the bigger picture.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2065799/china-steps-preparedness-possible-military-conflict-us

Granted, Trump didn't start this. Obama did. But if Trump continues with a hardline approach, we're in for trouble.

Bigger picture, John Pilger (also a reference to my last post):

 

wiyosaya

TS Evangelist
IMO, Trump's ban plays on the fears of people who have not educated themselves about the issue. There's a very interesting article out there that at least some of the people who support Trump need, yes need, an authority figure to tell them how the world is and because of Trump's supposed wealth, he fits the mold.

"Believe only half of what you see and nothing that you hear." - Edgar Allen Poe

Perhaps Poe was encouraging those who hear something to determine the facts of what they heard for themselves. In this day and age, unlike when regimes tried to snuff out knowledge in the past, it is relatively easy with the internet and libraries to educate one's self on almost any issue. IMO, before accepting the words of others verbatim, especially those words that might come with hidden hooks, it is a better path to research and understand for one's self.

The take on immigrants stealing jobs and Muslim immigrants being out to terrorize the US do not fit the consensus of the facts.

When Trump's tax on Mexico affects your grocery bill, perhaps those of you who think he is the great savior will start to understand that he is an elite. He has no idea what you are going through, and in fact, once stated that he did not want to run for president since he would have to hob nob with the riff-raff.

Please, by all means, do not take my word for it. Educate yourselves; you will be better people for it.
 

wiyosaya

TS Evangelist
"Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.' https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14:6&version=NIV Isn't this the passage that Christians use at their basis for taking over the world?
Ah yes. Showing your true Sundae School colors. Using hate to justify hate. How very Christ-like. Still refusing to see that Trump's views are not of Christ?

Because thinking for yourself is, radical, heaven forbid. When your world comes crashing down because you lived by the sword and died by the sword, there are those of us who will be out there welcoming you back to reality. We're turning the other cheek.
 
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Kunming

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IMO, Trump's ban plays on the fears of people who have not educated themselves about the issue. There's a very interesting article out there that at least some of the people who support Trump need, yes need, an authority figure to tell them how the world is and because of Trump's supposed wealth, he fits the mold.

"Believe only half of what you see and nothing that you hear." - Edgar Allen Poe

Perhaps Poe was encouraging those who hear something to determine the facts of what they heard for themselves. In this day and age, unlike when regimes tried to snuff out knowledge in the past, it is relatively easy with the internet and libraries to educate one's self on almost any issue. IMO, before accepting the words of others verbatim, especially those words that might come with hidden hooks, it is a better path to research and understand for one's self.
Knowledge is still being snuffed out. It goes down the memory hole. Just by other means. Such as omission. And since you can get bubbled on the net, things aren't necessarily available. Especially not if you use failbook as a news source for most things.

How many americans know of the us massacre of South Vietnamese people, whom were being "defended"?
Or the 500,000 Iraqi children under 5 who died purely because of UN sanctions against Iraq in the 90's?
Or how most of the ones sitting in Guantanamo Bay haven't been charged with a crime?
Or how invading other countries is illegal, unless they actually attack you?

It's all out there. But you're right that critical thought is needed. It's just sad it can't be taught.
 
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Kenrick

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LOL. Normal hard-working, tax paying people do not worry about Trump's policy. Unless you are

a. illegal immigrant
b. have a family member without proper papers
c. people riding with the flow just to be featured in social sites and fake news
d. not a citizen of USA
e. a Hillary die hard fan that can't still believe she lost

I am a believer of immigration, if it is done the right way and people applying for it must adhere to the host country's policies. Shout out to the man who has the balls to really implement policies to protect his country and fix it from the core.
 

wiyosaya

TS Evangelist
It may be why you voted for Trump, but it is certainly not the reason everyone voted for Trump. The reasons I have heard of people voting for Trump are as varied as the people who voted for him. Most of what I heard, to me, anyway, sounds like people put their hopes into him that he could and would change the government so that it becomes more functional. As I see it, these are noble aspirations, however, I do not think that those who primarily voted for him for those reasons have yet seen his true face. He is starting to reveal his true face. My bet is that at least some of those who voted for him will end up being horrified, and thus change their vote in the future.

You talk as if this election was the be-all, end-all for all future elections. I suspect that you will be disappointed, then, at some point in the future.
Well if the us keeps enforcing its rights in places of the world where it doesn't even belong, then it might be the last election, given war with China. Thanks to us media bias and censorship by omission, many on the us side believe the war to be justified. Much like the Vietnam war, Iraq wars, Afghanistan wars, Libyan wars, Syrian wars and so on. Without seeing the bigger picture.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2065799/china-steps-preparedness-possible-military-conflict-us

Granted, Trump didn't start this. Obama did. But if Trump continues with a hardline approach, we're in for trouble.

Bigger picture, John Pilger (also a reference to my last post):

Playing that victim game? It is all Obama's fault? Good luck with that.
 

GeforcerFX

TS Evangelist
This whole thing has gotten blown way out of proportion. Trump is using the same list of countries that was banned for I believe 7 months by Obama back in 2013. Why? Because the hotspots of the world have not changed dramatically in the last two and half years. The reason Saudi Arabi and Pakistan and a few other countries are not included at this time is really simple. The USA and these countries have close diplomatic relations and are working very closely in anti-terrorist activities, this is a result of those countries being involved in the war on terror over the last 20 years. Because we have good relations with these countries and they have stable functioning governments they can work with us to help screen who is allowed to travel to the USA from there countries. The countries on the list have either no or poor diplomatic relations with the USA and are usually in the middle of a civil war in which radical Islamic fighters are included, or state sponsor terrorism. They have no way of screening in cooperation with us, so the safest thing to do is outright ban until a better solution can be made. As far as Immigration being a part of our history and banning or obstructing it being bad, that's not a great argument. US also had a history of child labor, maybe we should allow our 10 year olds to go grab after school jobs at McDonalds? Or you know that 100 year stretch of slavery that's a big part of our history yet no slaves today. Immigration will happen no matter what but secure immigration is definitely a must, especially when we will always have a target painted on our backs. 250 people were inconvenienced by this, that sucks. But making life tough for 250 people because your trying to better protect 330 million should be a easy choice for any leader.
 

Kunming

TS Maniac
Playing that victim game? It is all Obama's fault? Good luck with that.
Not all Obama's fault, but his "Pivot to Asia" is his fault. But the world sure is a victim of US foreign policy. And with a complicit media, americans will never know. That's why it's acceptable to say you are blocking countries like Iraq, due to radical islamic extremism, even though it was the us and its allies who destroyed Iraq and thereby layed the foundations for the very extremism itself.
 

wiyosaya

TS Evangelist
This whole thing has gotten blown way out of proportion. Trump is using the same list of countries that was banned for I believe 7 months by Obama back in 2013. Why? Because the hotspots of the world have not changed dramatically in the last two and half years. The reason Saudi Arabi and Pakistan and a few other countries are not included at this time is really simple. The USA and these countries have close diplomatic relations and are working very closely in anti-terrorist activities, this is a result of those countries being involved in the war on terror over the last 20 years. Because we have good relations with these countries and they have stable functioning governments they can work with us to help screen who is allowed to travel to the USA from there countries. The countries on the list have either no or poor diplomatic relations with the USA and are usually in the middle of a civil war in which radical Islamic fighters are included, or state sponsor terrorism. They have no way of screening in cooperation with us, so the safest thing to do is outright ban until a better solution can be made. As far as Immigration being a part of our history and banning or obstructing it being bad, that's not a great argument. US also had a history of child labor, maybe we should allow our 10 year olds to go grab after school jobs at McDonalds? Or you know that 100 year stretch of slavery that's a big part of our history yet no slaves today. Immigration will happen no matter what but secure immigration is definitely a must, especially when we will always have a target painted on our backs. 250 people were inconvenienced by this, that sucks. But making life tough for 250 people because your trying to better protect 330 million should be a easy choice for any leader.
This is an easy way to view this. And yes, these are nations with which the US, and other countries, have had difficult relations. However, I think the number of those inconvenienced has well exceeded 250.

Unfortunately, statements out of 45s administration indicate that they are intending to favor Christian refugees from these countries over Muslim refugees because Christians have suffered more. What evidence is there of this, and even so, suffering is suffering. Regardless of religion, there are those who are suffering.

To think that you can favor those of one religion is folly. Religion is fluid. All that is being done is to assure that those who want to gain easy access to the country for whatever reason is to state, "I'm Christian."
 

Kunming

TS Maniac
This whole thing has gotten blown way out of proportion. Trump is using the same list of countries that was banned for I believe 7 months by Obama back in 2013. Why? Because the hotspots of the world have not changed dramatically in the last two and half years. The reason Saudi Arabi and Pakistan and a few other countries are not included at this time is really simple. The USA and these countries have close diplomatic relations and are working very closely in anti-terrorist activities, this is a result of those countries being involved in the war on terror over the last 20 years. Because we have good relations with these countries and they have stable functioning governments they can work with us to help screen who is allowed to travel to the USA from there countries. The countries on the list have either no or poor diplomatic relations with the USA and are usually in the middle of a civil war in which radical Islamic fighters are included, or state sponsor terrorism. They have no way of screening in cooperation with us, so the safest thing to do is outright ban until a better solution can be made. As far as Immigration being a part of our history and banning or obstructing it being bad, that's not a great argument. US also had a history of child labor, maybe we should allow our 10 year olds to go grab after school jobs at McDonalds? Or you know that 100 year stretch of slavery that's a big part of our history yet no slaves today. Immigration will happen no matter what but secure immigration is definitely a must, especially when we will always have a target painted on our backs. 250 people were inconvenienced by this, that sucks. But making life tough for 250 people because your trying to better protect 330 million should be a easy choice for any leader.
It's just funny then that those 7, besides Lebanon, were also the ones which General Wesley Clark told us were included in the US "7 countries in 5 years" plan:
And that some of those countries were doing alright, until the US illegally invaded them. To call it "anti-terror" is also Orwellian, given that both Saudi Arabia and the US and so on, fund and create the terrorist groups. So it's all one big self-inflicted problem, used as an excuse for big political power plays. Probably to the detriment of all the common people around the world, as usual, americans included.
 

Flandergo

TS Rookie
Worse, these actions will make America less safe (through hatred and loss of allies) rather than more safe

Yeah. Because letting people in from terrorist hotbeds makes us safer.

Missing from this article is that the nations affected by the ban came from Obama. It's his list. He also did the same to Iraqis several years ago and I don't recall any tech websites (or firms) screaming and yelling about that.
You do realise that what you said is childish right? All Trump did is create more hatred. THE END
He arbitrarily decided that the America isn't America anymore but North Korea.
yeah,
1) blowing up the twin towers was because trumps hate.
2) the san bernardino attack was because trumps hate.
3) orlando shooting was because trumps hate.
4) isis beheading 30 Christians in libia, because trumps hate.
5) Fort hood shooting 4 soldiers, because trumps hate.
6) fort lauderdale airport shooting, because trumps hate.
7) Quebec shooting in mosque by 2 muslims, because trumps hate.
8) Libia attack on our embassy, because trumps hate.
9) crashing into our pentagon on 9/11, because trumps hate.
10) Arkansas shooting 2 soldiers in 2009, because trumps hate.
11) on dec 25 2009 the failed exploding of airliner going to detroit from amsterdam, because trumps hate.
12) in 2010 the failed car bomb in times square, because trumps hate.
13) in oct 2010 discovered bomb packages on airplane en route to US, because trumps hate.
14) Boston attack in 2013, because trumps hate.
15) american journalist james foley, Steven Sotloff being beheaded, because trumps hate.

I can go on and on, but I will finish with this, is the Tech ignorance also because trumps hate?
 

hahahanoobs

TS Evangelist
The first comment is asking why these types of articles show up here and gets the most likes. Then I see the well above average amount of comments.

It appears to me these articles are just what you've all been waiting for...
 

Kunming

TS Maniac
yeah,
1) blowing up the twin towers was because trumps hate.
2) the san bernardino attack was because trumps hate.
3) orlando shooting was because trumps hate.
4) isis beheading 30 Christians in libia, because trumps hate.
5) Fort hood shooting 4 soldiers, because trumps hate.
6) fort lauderdale airport shooting, because trumps hate.
7) Quebec shooting in mosque by 2 muslims, because trumps hate.
8) Libia attack on our embassy, because trumps hate.
9) crashing into our pentagon on 9/11, because trumps hate.
10) Arkansas shooting 2 soldiers in 2009, because trumps hate.
11) on dec 25 2009 the failed exploding of airliner going to detroit from amsterdam, because trumps hate.
12) in 2010 the failed car bomb in times square, because trumps hate.
13) in oct 2010 discovered bomb packages on airplane en route to US, because trumps hate.
14) Boston attack in 2013, because trumps hate.
15) american journalist james foley, Steven Sotloff being beheaded, because trumps hate.

I can go on and on, but I will finish with this, is the Tech ignorance also because trumps hate?
Us foreign policy created or provided the conditions for a lot of, if not all of those mentioned. Trump is just making it more obvious. Besides that, the us is generally a crazy country, so a couple hundred murders now and then is normal.