The tech industry shows solidarity in the face of Donald Trump's immigration ban

wiyosaya

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Worse, these actions will make America less safe (through hatred and loss of allies) rather than more safe

Yeah. Because letting people in from terrorist hotbeds makes us safer.

Missing from this article is that the nations affected by the ban came from Obama. It's his list. He also did the same to Iraqis several years ago and I don't recall any tech websites (or firms) screaming and yelling about that.
You do realise that what you said is childish right? All Trump did is create more hatred. THE END
He arbitrarily decided that the America isn't America anymore but North Korea.
yeah,
1) blowing up the twin towers was because trumps hate.
2) the san bernardino attack was because trumps hate.
3) orlando shooting was because trumps hate.
4) isis beheading 30 Christians in libia, because trumps hate.
5) Fort hood shooting 4 soldiers, because trumps hate.
6) fort lauderdale airport shooting, because trumps hate.
7) Quebec shooting in mosque by 2 muslims, because trumps hate.
8) Libia attack on our embassy, because trumps hate.
9) crashing into our pentagon on 9/11, because trumps hate.
10) Arkansas shooting 2 soldiers in 2009, because trumps hate.
11) on dec 25 2009 the failed exploding of airliner going to detroit from amsterdam, because trumps hate.
12) in 2010 the failed car bomb in times square, because trumps hate.
13) in oct 2010 discovered bomb packages on airplane en route to US, because trumps hate.
14) Boston attack in 2013, because trumps hate.
15) american journalist james foley, Steven Sotloff being beheaded, because trumps hate.

I can go on and on, but I will finish with this, is the Tech ignorance also because trumps hate?
Personally, I think you are overgeneralizing. For whoever did not like any president at any point in history, you can insert the name of your favorite president to hate in place of Trump's.

What the original poster stated is what a growing consensus, on both sides of the liberal/conservative divide, are now stating - Trump's actions are riling increased hate.

As I see it, saner heads will prevail no matter what side of the political fence they are on.
 
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wiyosaya

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yeah,
1) blowing up the twin towers was because trumps hate.
2) the san bernardino attack was because trumps hate.
3) orlando shooting was because trumps hate.
4) isis beheading 30 Christians in libia, because trumps hate.
5) Fort hood shooting 4 soldiers, because trumps hate.
6) fort lauderdale airport shooting, because trumps hate.
7) Quebec shooting in mosque by 2 muslims, because trumps hate.
8) Libia attack on our embassy, because trumps hate.
9) crashing into our pentagon on 9/11, because trumps hate.
10) Arkansas shooting 2 soldiers in 2009, because trumps hate.
11) on dec 25 2009 the failed exploding of airliner going to detroit from amsterdam, because trumps hate.
12) in 2010 the failed car bomb in times square, because trumps hate.
13) in oct 2010 discovered bomb packages on airplane en route to US, because trumps hate.
14) Boston attack in 2013, because trumps hate.
15) american journalist james foley, Steven Sotloff being beheaded, because trumps hate.

I can go on and on, but I will finish with this, is the Tech ignorance also because trumps hate?
Us foreign policy created or provided the conditions for a lot of, if not all of those mentioned. Trump is just making it more obvious. Besides that, the us is generally a crazy country, so a couple hundred murders now and then is normal.
Hell, we have at least a couple hundred murders every day in the US, but don't tell that to those who think terrorism is the only problem in the world and that the problems lie beyond our borders yet to enter our great country. Let's keep it our secret! ;)
 
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davislane1

Honestly, this guy posts only when he is stoned out of his mind:

Hell, we have at least a couple hundred murders every day in the US, but don't tell that to those who think terrorism is the only problem in the world and that the problems lie beyond our borders yet to enter our great country. Let's keep it our secret! ;)
 
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wiyosaya

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Honestly, this guy posts only when he is stoned out of his mind:

Hell, we have at least a couple hundred murders every day in the US, but don't tell that to those who think terrorism is the only problem in the world and that the problems lie beyond our borders yet to enter our great country. Let's keep it our secret! ;)
Once in a while you are good for a laugh.

Yes, I have had so much of the good stuff, I cannot think for myself.

But then again, even your hero has stated he is going to send in the feds to Chicago.
 
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davislane1

Once in a while you are good for a laugh.

Yes, I have had so much of the good stuff, I cannot think for myself.

But then again, even your hero has stated he is going to send in the feds to Chicago.
Support != hero worship. At least exhale before the next response.
 

Wytefang

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Whiny Libs need to calm down. He's basically done nothing different from what Obummer did a while back. Get over it, move on. Or more specifically, grow up.
 
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wiyosaya

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Musk, most of the MSM, and the left are wrong or flat-out lying. This is not a blanket Muslim ban. People need to read more than the false headlines, understand what the facts are about this ban, and stop lying about it.
Since you seem to be on the objective side of the fence, perhaps you'll believe this from Breibart http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/01/29/abcs-raddatz-to-spicer-why-are-christian-refugees-more-worthy-than-muslim-refugees/

But I digress, even Breibart can publish fake news.
 

wiyosaya

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Playing that victim game? It is all Obama's fault? Good luck with that.
Not all Obama's fault, but his "Pivot to Asia" is his fault. But the world sure is a victim of US foreign policy. And with a complicit media, americans will never know. That's why it's acceptable to say you are blocking countries like Iraq, due to radical islamic extremism, even though it was the us and its allies who destroyed Iraq and thereby layed the foundations for the very extremism itself.
Personally, I do not think it is complicit media. While I do agree with you that there are omissions, people who try to support a viewpoint stop searching when they have found something that supports their viewpoint. As you stated, it is too bad that critical thinking is something that is not regularly taught. If it were, people might go beyond that in which they find solace.
 
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wiyosaya

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Once in a while you are good for a laugh.

Yes, I have had so much of the good stuff, I cannot think for myself.

But then again, even your hero has stated he is going to send in the feds to Chicago.
Support != hero worship. At least exhale before the next response.
True, very true. However, if you demonstrated any modicum of critical thinking, the problems that have come from outside of this country are far fewer in scope and far fewer in impact.

I am not saying there is no problem in either case. Both are problematic, but as I see it, those within the country are far worse and far more frequent. In the past few years we have had two instances in this country of "radicalized" terrorism, yet how many times have gun toters made the news?

You have stated that you are of mixed descent, which implies that in your family tree you have immigrants. Suppose this were a few generations in your family earlier and your loved ones, who I assume were peaceful, were bounced from the country by this order. That is not the case, obviously, but you might not exist if it were.

When things are distant from us, personally, it is easy to disconnect from that reality and make broad assumptions as to where the problems come from. Unless those problems are considered in depth and with an objective eye, solutions can, and often are, worse than the problem that one is attempting to solve.
 
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Kunming

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Personally, I do not think it is complicit media. While I do agree with you that there are omissions, people who try to support a viewpoint stop searching when they have found something that supports their viewpoint. As you stated, it is too bad that critical thinking is something that is not regularly taught. If it were, people might go beyond that in which they find solace.
I think it's interesting you don't think it's a complicit media. As it seems pretty conclusive to me, due to the many verifiable pieces of evidence where media compliance was one of the biggest reasons for some deal or atrocity to go through. I mean, being complicit doesn't mean it has to be a conscious choice to be so - as you said, it's also easy to stick to 1 view point.
 
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Joe Blow

So.. Trump enforces an order placed by the Obama Administration, using existing law, it's Trump's fault? You see, this is NEW NEWS to the ***** Left because they weren't paying attention to the news that came out in 2011.
 
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wiyosaya

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Personally, I do not think it is complicit media. While I do agree with you that there are omissions, people who try to support a viewpoint stop searching when they have found something that supports their viewpoint. As you stated, it is too bad that critical thinking is something that is not regularly taught. If it were, people might go beyond that in which they find solace.
I think it's interesting you don't think it's a complicit media. As it seems pretty conclusive to me, due to the many verifiable pieces of evidence where media compliance was one of the biggest reasons for some deal or atrocity to go through. I mean, being complicit doesn't mean it has to be a conscious choice to be so - as you said, it's also easy to stick to 1 view point.
I am really not saying that complicit media is not a problem. Where we agree is that if one stops at what one is being spoon fed, there lies the problem.

At least some media outlets are considered to be beyond reproach. However, in that myth of being beyond reproach is the problem. In part, that factions in the US are pushing back against fake news is good because the media should be called out when they are complicit. However, I don't see these most recent claims of fake news as having much substance since there is one main player calling "fake news" because, or so it would seem from my viewpoint, that player does not like how the news presents issues surrounding him.

I hope things will change. As I see it, the level of push-back at this immigration executive order is unprecedented in recent history in the US. That is a door for change.

Someone, perhaps you, mentioned that those in the US are complacent. It is the complacency that is the problem. More so than in days past, we now have the capability to investigate items. If we fail to do so, it is our own responsibility. Taking no action is an action.
 
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davislane1

True, very true. However, if you demonstrated any modicum of critical thinking, the problems that have come from outside of this country are far fewer in scope and far fewer in impact.
False. I have discussed the long-term implications of existing U.S. immigration policy before. Search the forum if you are interested. Failure to maintain demographics and cultural homogeneity kills empires.

You aren't a critical thinker. You're a rhetorical trying to masquerade as one.

You have stated that you are of mixed descent, which implies that in your family tree you have immigrants. Suppose this were a few generations in your family earlier and your loved ones, who I assume were peaceful, were bounced from the country by this order. That is not the case, obviously, but you might not exist if it were.
I've been told somewhere on my father's side there's Native American ancestry. Coincidentally, a group of people who was rather expediently bounced from the continent in two regions by immigrants with higher birth rates, better technology, and "fluid" religious beliefs.

I gotta tell ya, you aren't making a great case for open borders with that appeal.

Also, to quote my father, who has been detained by "allied" nations while fulfilling contracts those very nations requested, "So what? This happens all the time in other countries. They just don't report it."

Sympathy card...rejected.
 
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cliffordcooley

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You do realise that what you said is childish right? All Trump did is create more hatred. THE END
He arbitrarily decided that the America isn't America anymore but North Korea.
You should have left your last sentence out, after calling someone Else's comment childish.
 
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wiyosaya

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True, very true. However, if you demonstrated any modicum of critical thinking, the problems that have come from outside of this country are far fewer in scope and far fewer in impact.
False. I have discussed the long-term implications of existing U.S. immigration policy before. Search the forum if you are interested. Failure to maintain demographics and cultural homogeneity kills empires.

You aren't a critical thinker. You're a rhetorical trying to masquerade as as one.

You have stated that you are of mixed descent, which implies that in your family tree you have immigrants. Suppose this were a few generations in your family earlier and your loved ones, who I assume were peaceful, were bounced from the country by this order. That is not the case, obviously, but you might not exist if it were.
I've been told somewhere on my father's side there's Native American ancestry. Coincidentally, a group of people who was rather expediently bounced from the continent in two regions by immigrants with higher birth rates, better technology, and "fluid" religious beliefs.

I gotta tell ya, you aren't making a great case for open borders with that appeal.

Also, to quote my father, who has been detained by "allied" nations while fulfilling contracts those very nations requested, "So what? This happens all the time in other countries. They just don't report it."

Sympathy card...rejected.
So in other words, we should maintain purity? How would you define purity? That's been tried before, and has never worked. Or do I misunderstand? And in whose history books are there cases that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that diversity was the downfall of the civilization? Historical retrospective, in some cases, is a matter of opinion from the scholars.

History does have a few instances where things like lead poisoning could arguably have lead to the downfall of empires, but that was ignorance of the effects of lead. Had they known, perhaps they would have stopped using lead.

Perhaps you are seeing in my words what is not there. The vast majority of people who come to this nation do so because their hopes for a peaceful life are impossible to achieve in the environment that they are attempting to leave. There are far fewer, perhaps 20 or 30 people including those who perpetrated the September 11, 2001 attacks, that have entered this country in recent years, than have entered because they were seeking a better life. There are those who think that if we better life for ourselves, we better it for everyone else.

And in my statement about fluid religion is the simple matter of a test for immigration based on religion will never prevent someone who wants to do harm to this nation from entering.

Not having your background, I cannot possibly understand how you feel, however, I can understand why you would think that open borders is not necessarily a good idea. I think those who displaced your ancestors were incapable of understanding the spiritual practices of others. To many of them and even to this day, theirs is the only religion. It does not stop at muslim or christian. Any religion, or factions of a religion, can be intolerant of spiritual practices that differ from their own because they think they have the only way.

It is unfortunate, as I see it, that those on that side of the fence seem only to look at the differences since, objectively, there are probably more things in common between religions than there are differences.
 

bluto 2050

TS Addict
Maybe the tech industry will have to use its vast war chest for educating ,training and hiring Americans like other industries have done since the dawn of the industrial revolution instead of growing thier offshore booty chests and funding liberal politics and propaganda .

Tech industry have abused every privilege including immigration for cheap labor America has granted them so they could thrive probably since the first semi conductor in William Shockley's mid century Bell lab facility in Palo Alto .
 
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bluto 2050

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"Typical response of a racist. I'm sorry but all you said is just your own delusion based on you reading some white supremacist blogs or something similarly stupid to that.
FYI America lives and breaths on immigration. Immigration is how the country functions. Calling people "open border types" is the mark of a kid who doesn't know his own country's history."

I think you don't know the history of this country and immigration. perhaps you go get your learn on.
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Legal Immigration in the USA was *very tightly controlled well past the mid 20th century* since at least the early 1900's .
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Liberal globalism and the progressive liberals aka the alt left now are advocating one virtual world governance with virtually no or little immigration control re: EU ,UN ,World Bank ,Bilateral trade ,globalism ,Obama and so on .

The liberal media properties , liberal grievance industry's , the tech industry. publicity hound celebrities and so on all stand to profit from this manufactured immigration outrage while the hypocritical and now desperate democratic politicians ride the wave for political capital and funding from the uninformed liberal voting blocs they have wholly failed and deceived for decades and more funding from the conspiratorial liberal oligarchs and establishments .

Education is always good before presenting an unsupportable argument and ad hominem attack reply in a comments forum ☺
 
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bluto 2050

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This writer should be let go. Plain as can be outright lie in the clickbait title.. There is no immigration ban. ****ing *****.
Obviously the writer may need a legitimate education about all this, real history ,the liberals and alt-left .

OTOH ,Good to hear a voice of reason noting as you this executive order is not an immigration ban at all or a religion discrimination or racial grievance issue at all .

As you probably know and for the benefit of maybe uniformed others here ,this common sense executive order on immigration control *legitimately for our national security is only a *legitimate temporary immigration and travel hold * from the very same * terrorist hotbed nations identified by the Obama administration and lawfully codified by congress.

EXACTLY *all this * has been done before by past presidents including Obama ,GW Bush and Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter but noting they were all democrats outside of GW Bush the was was little or no liberal, liberal media or political outrage then and GW Bush did it after the US world trade tower and Pentagon destruction anyway .

Unfortunately liberal revisionist history and the wholly corrupt liberal political establishment academia ,grievance industry liberal media , and uninformed bloggers,forum commenters and so on are all overlooking legitimate history and causation and are ignorant or deliberately ignorant

The Democrats and progressive liberals aka alt-left now liberals are desperate after losing the POTUS oval most of thier seats at the table , soon the ACA taxpayer money grab, the EPA overreach ,climate fraud ,most of congress and national down ballot seats at the table and so on because they have *nothing but illegitimate wealth redistribution ,tax and spend policies , identity politics , division and strife , race hustling ,fringe issue distractions, decades of liberal policy failures and so on besides elitist globalism for thier wealthy liberal overseers funders and thier intended wealthy oligarchies .

e,g., The ACLU is making a killing from this one liberally manufactured broadly marketed outrage to the tune of more money in a few days than all of last year .

Some education beyond the liberal media propaganda and revisionist liberal history can keep one from making a fool of themselves l
 
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ekg84

TS Rookie
I'm not a conservative and it has nothing to do with paranoia, but nice try with your lame peasantry and superiority-complex. Your mocking tone is just stupid and actually re-affirms a lot of things. It's not an "opinion" that the liberal media distorts the facts. It's a fact - ever read "Manufacturing Consent" by Noam Chomsky, an MIT Professor and one of the most cited academics ever? I bet not. As I said, it's censorship by omission. That's not to say conservative media don't censor or distort either (us media is generally horrible), but that liberal media have a special appeal, because they seem "decent" and "professional". Yes I'd love to share an example of how journalism is done: John Pilger, one of the most legendary independent journalists ever. If americans read his posts everyday, they wouldn't support stupid notions like invasions of various countries or holding political prisoners like Julian Assange. So, do you have anything to actually say, besides mockery and fake outrage?
First of all, not sure where you got the impression that I am somehow outraged? I certainly am not. You, on the other hand, judging by your personal insults, are clearly showing signs of anger, fake or otherwise.
I have never said you are a conservative, I don't know you or what your beliefs/political views are and frankly, nor do I care. Your charge about "liberal media" being consistently dishonest, however, is very much in line with conservative paranoia about "liberal media" destroying the country and undermining American values. That clearly is a part of a very troublesome tendency to apply false equivalence to 'liberal media" being just as dishonest and shady as "conservative media". Where in reality there is no white or black here but rather different shades of grey. Still, you simply cannot say that publications such as Washington Post, NY Times, Boston Globe are just as bad and dishonest as the toxic crapfest being daily spewed out by Faux News, which by far is the most popular conservative news source, unless you want to lie to yourself. There is no equivalence here. This narrative, is what elected Donald Trump. This false equivalence, turned smear campaign by republican propaganda machine that has gone for years trying to convince public that Clinton was Antichrist plotting to destroy America. And it certainly worked, in conjunction with holes in Clinton campaign, some Russian hacking and a friendly hand (or rather friendly mouth) of James Comey. Enough people were convinced that Clinton was just as bad as the guy who openly bragged about grabbing women by their vaginas against their will, never released his taxes, scammed people with his fraudulent Trump'versity, repeatedly screwed workers for money, can't put two words together, claimed that global warming is a Chinese hoax etc.. list can go on. Not enough to win him popular vote but enough to win him White House. And no, I don't have any illusions about Clinton being best that Democrats could come up with, I am nowhere close to being her fan, but it was quite clear that she was a far lesser of two evils. Seth Meyers has said it best, on how "equally" bad Trump and Clinton were:


The very scholar you are so passionately referring to, Noam Chomski, has clearly agreed with this conclusion and encouraged public to "hold your nose an vote Democrat" :

 
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Nero7

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The only logic behind this outrage is that S0r0s and the democrats and other people that are against Trump want to be outraged. Arguments don't matter they just want to spread negativity about Trump.

Selective immigration has always been and always will be a key to success. Meanwhile germany is going down hard while having the audacity to lecture Trump. If I was ruling a country where hundreds of woman were being raped on new years eve by certain people of these countries then I sure wouldn't open up my mouth.

The germans and others are also falsifying history again. They didn't let these refugees in because of morals and being nice no, they sought clear advantages and wanted to brain drain certain regions. Add to it that most of the people that came weren't refugees and they weren't from those places and it was totally against the law.
 
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wiyosaya

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"Typical response of a racist. I'm sorry but all you said is just your own delusion based on you reading some white supremacist blogs or something similarly stupid to that.
FYI America lives and breaths on immigration. Immigration is how the country functions. Calling people "open border types" is the mark of a kid who doesn't know his own country's history."

I think you don't know the history of this country and immigration. perhaps you go get your learn on.
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Legal Immigration was *very tightly controlled well past the mid 20th century* here in the USA .

Liberal globalism and the progressive liberals aka the alt left now are advocating one virtual world governance with virtually no or little immigration control re: EU ,UN ,World Bank ,Bilateral trade ,Obama and so on .
Education is always good before presenting an unsupportable argument and ad hominem attack reply in a comments forum ☺
Whether you see the reality or not, humanity will have to learn to live with each other if it is to progress. History is replete with examples of those who think they know it all deciding that there are those who do not know it all and should have no voice. Take, for instance, a verifiable fact - The Roman Catholic Church suppressed DaVinci's discovery of heart disease over 500-years ago.

Good luck playing the victim card! History tells a different story from your narrative.
 

wiyosaya

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The only logic behind this outrage is that S0r0s and the democrats and other people that are against Trump want to be outraged. Arguments don't matter they just want to spread negativity about Trump.

Selective immigration has always been and always will be a key to success. Meanwhile germany is going down hard while having the audacity to lecture Trump. If I was ruling a country where hundreds of woman were being raped on new years eve by certain people of these countries then I sure wouldn't open up my mouth.

The germans and others are also falsifying history again. They didn't let these refugees in because of morals and being nice no, they sought clear advantages and wanted to brain drain certain regions. Add to it that most of the people that came weren't refugees and they weren't from those places and it was totally against the law.
Ah, another alternative fact inventor. Search and find out what the Koch brothers have to say about this travesty.
 
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