Phantasm66
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halo71 said:
That's just your machine ; mine shuts down instantly.
Thoughts on Vista/What is Your Problem With Vista
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That's just your machine ; mine shuts down instantly.
Phantasm66
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supersmashbrada said:
I'm speaking of the myriad number of changes that Vista has over XP, and I refute that Vista offers a lesser (or similar) user experience than XP - it offers a better one!
supersmashbrada, have you actually USED Vista on your machine for an extended enough period of time. I've been running it for weeks now and I think its great. I've had no problems whatsoever with compatibility or performance, other than a few applications having to be run with admin rights.
It looks great, has a greatly improved, smarter interface where things are much easier to do, and it runs pretty damn well on most modern hardware, IMHO. Its much better than XP, its the future of Windows, and in around 12 months to 2 years time you will be agreeing with me.
Phantasm66
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Something I think that Vista has that's really cool
https://www.techspot.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/2117/size/big/cat/2
https://www.techspot.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/2117/size/big/cat/2
wolfram
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Phantasm66 said:
You can make XP to look almost like that
https://www.techspot.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=1358
https://www.techspot.com/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/1351/cat/500/ppuser/61310
I know I don't particularly have a lot of posts, so my credibility might be ignored.
However, I love Vista. It's made everyday computing a lot more fun for me. If it makes me enjoy my computing experience then I am going to stick with it. I've had a few compatibility issues but the somewhat advanced computer user can usually correct such issues.
My main, almost singular, complaint, is the outrageous number of processes that seem to be running when the system is idle with no applications running. I am what you could call, OCD about my start up programs, and any "needless" services/processes that are running and do nothing for me. At first (bare-bone) install I had 46 processes running. XP would have around 23-24. 46 is just simply, too much "junk". I've whittle it down and figured some things out, but I'm still not fond of the "unnecessary" processes.
However, I love Vista. It's made everyday computing a lot more fun for me. If it makes me enjoy my computing experience then I am going to stick with it. I've had a few compatibility issues but the somewhat advanced computer user can usually correct such issues.
My main, almost singular, complaint, is the outrageous number of processes that seem to be running when the system is idle with no applications running. I am what you could call, OCD about my start up programs, and any "needless" services/processes that are running and do nothing for me. At first (bare-bone) install I had 46 processes running. XP would have around 23-24. 46 is just simply, too much "junk". I've whittle it down and figured some things out, but I'm still not fond of the "unnecessary" processes.
N3051M
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My thoughts on vista.. well its pretty good, minus a few minor problems... but overall pretty happy
Whilst i was on my 6 week holiday, i brought along my new laptop, which has vista premium on it, so in other words i was only using vista for the whole 6 weeks. I find it to be easier to use, but since some settings and features were changed from XP, there was some things to get used to, but not too many hard-to-find changes.
Some features i really liked, to list a few are:
- the Network and Sharing center, which is way much easier than XP and even more so comparing it to 9x's network setup stuff.. everything you need to want configure on a typical system is on one page - and you can still pull up some of the advanced menus like XP has if you know where. And it gives you a little map to show you the status of your network connection, and if you have problems with any part of it or not.
- Large thumbnails in windows explorer. C'mon, who've been satisfied with previewing a bunch of pictures to sort out while they are only 2cm big? this is one of the more positive changes i would add..
- The search bar. Apart from having the same characteristic of the Run command box, with the bonus of looking for a match or similar instead of giving you the "windows cannot find..." ".. is not recognized.." nonsense. Word shortcuts can also be launched straight from here, like typing Sharing [enter] to get Network and sharing center, live [enter] to get msn messenger, az [enter] to get azureus etc.. granted that if you install applications with similar names to those you use as word shortcuts things will change..
The negatives are more towards a minor annoyance than anything, and easily ignored.. Stuff like windows defender not updating properly, ms updates fail (especially with some office 2003 stuff) and of course few program problems like protools (hence my mbox2) being incompatible with vista until summer '08. Games and most of the other stuff i've been running ok, installed and played Red alert 2, Fable lost chapters ok, although CS:CZ is a bit laggy through steam (probably due to being a laptop) and i upped the ram to 1.5gb and got rid of the side bar due to it being too much of a resource hog for me..
But i wont be giving up on XP yet.. its true that vista has some work to be done, probably SP1 will fix some things like what SP2 did for XP, but i would say that vista is not for everybody just yet..
Whilst i was on my 6 week holiday, i brought along my new laptop, which has vista premium on it, so in other words i was only using vista for the whole 6 weeks. I find it to be easier to use, but since some settings and features were changed from XP, there was some things to get used to, but not too many hard-to-find changes.
Some features i really liked, to list a few are:
- the Network and Sharing center, which is way much easier than XP and even more so comparing it to 9x's network setup stuff.. everything you need to want configure on a typical system is on one page - and you can still pull up some of the advanced menus like XP has if you know where. And it gives you a little map to show you the status of your network connection, and if you have problems with any part of it or not.
- Large thumbnails in windows explorer. C'mon, who've been satisfied with previewing a bunch of pictures to sort out while they are only 2cm big? this is one of the more positive changes i would add..
- The search bar. Apart from having the same characteristic of the Run command box, with the bonus of looking for a match or similar instead of giving you the "windows cannot find..." ".. is not recognized.." nonsense. Word shortcuts can also be launched straight from here, like typing Sharing [enter] to get Network and sharing center, live [enter] to get msn messenger, az [enter] to get azureus etc.. granted that if you install applications with similar names to those you use as word shortcuts things will change..
The negatives are more towards a minor annoyance than anything, and easily ignored.. Stuff like windows defender not updating properly, ms updates fail (especially with some office 2003 stuff) and of course few program problems like protools (hence my mbox2) being incompatible with vista until summer '08. Games and most of the other stuff i've been running ok, installed and played Red alert 2, Fable lost chapters ok, although CS:CZ is a bit laggy through steam (probably due to being a laptop) and i upped the ram to 1.5gb and got rid of the side bar due to it being too much of a resource hog for me..
But i wont be giving up on XP yet.. its true that vista has some work to be done, probably SP1 will fix some things like what SP2 did for XP, but i would say that vista is not for everybody just yet..
Phantasm66
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halo71 said:
I dunno... but its usefully a driver that's not responding to shutdown request that causes this.... its almost certainly a driver issue, anyway.
When you install any new drivers for your hardware, try uninstalling the old ones first, maybe do a reboot inbetween as well.
Rage_3K_Moiz
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Probably a lot of bloatware installed. All laptop manufacturers pre-install a lot of unnecessary crap which slows the PC down drastically, Dell being a regular culprit amongst them. Try uninstalling some of it or stopping the unnecessary processes.
Coth
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How is Vista so far?
Forgive me if this is a duped post but I was curious as to how users are doing with Vista so far. Are there any updates that fix issues? I've heard some people having trouble running software that they have (any software: games, productivity, media production) or will not upgrade due to the lack of support that the new OS does not provide with XP-based software.
I want to go forth with Vista but would like another 2GB of RAM before I do, or do you experts think 2GB is enough? I am solely a gamer but might use some music production software later like Cakewalk Sonar 5.2 but it's XP-based.
How is the user environment/performance vs. WinXP for gaming?
:chef:
Forgive me if this is a duped post but I was curious as to how users are doing with Vista so far. Are there any updates that fix issues? I've heard some people having trouble running software that they have (any software: games, productivity, media production) or will not upgrade due to the lack of support that the new OS does not provide with XP-based software.
I want to go forth with Vista but would like another 2GB of RAM before I do, or do you experts think 2GB is enough? I am solely a gamer but might use some music production software later like Cakewalk Sonar 5.2 but it's XP-based.
How is the user environment/performance vs. WinXP for gaming?
:chef:
Problems are minor for most people. Most problems we have seen are with Printer drivers... If you have odd-ball devices or hardware, you will have driver troubles... but the mainstream does not.
2 GB is adequate. I would want 4 GB for full use on what we do.
There is yet no real useful improvements for gaming over WXP... and there are new games under development designed just for VISTA.
2 GB is adequate. I would want 4 GB for full use on what we do.
There is yet no real useful improvements for gaming over WXP... and there are new games under development designed just for VISTA.
LinkedKube
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Plenty of driver issues right now, Astetically its fine, I mean it looks great. I was running it with 4 gigs, lagged, sometimes, might be mostly network related for me though. I dont recommend vista until service pack 1 comes out. There's a lot of hype behind it, make sure you really consider all options before jumping on the band wagon.
sghiznaneck
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Everything that I have read shows an actual loss in performance for gaming with Vista. For an OS that was touted as the supreme gaming os, seems that Microsoft stepped on it. FPS is about 10-15% less that XP and performance is sub par. I've installed Vista for some customers and the thing runs great, but they only use it for internet and such. Very few builds that I've done had Vista in the specs. Most of them have done their homework. Hopefully, when SP1 hits, these issues will be ironed out. Still not determined if its a driver issue or the os itself.
howard_hopkinso
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Threads merged at post#114.
Thread stickied for now lol.
Regards Howard
Thread stickied for now lol.
Regards Howard
Phantasm66
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2GB is fine - the 4GB thing is a myth.
Actually, I ran it with 1GB and it was fine, but 2GB is the sweet spot.
Actually, I ran it with 1GB and it was fine, but 2GB is the sweet spot.
vista is a computer nazi
Microsoft site polled my computer and told me what version to install.
Installation takes forever. Vista basically takes over your computer, and you don't have much control over it anymore. You can do the stupid stuff like change your desktop, but try to do some advanced functions! Other things don't work, like I was running XP with the office toolbar, which goes away when you install Vista. In other words, get ready to do it Vista's way, rather than your way.
Next day I needed to fax in my time sheet, only to find out that there is no longer a fax service in the "recommended" version. They wanted me to spend another hundred dollars to get my fax capability back. The next thing I found out is that you can't "roll back" to a working version, so I decided to uninstall it. Come to find out that it can't be uninstalled either. Even from the DOS prompt in any mode, it won't allow you to format your drive! I had to get a bootable disk and delete the partition, which then let the drive be reformatted.
I'm not even going to get into all the compatability issues that I had, but Vista basically said that nothing on my computer, either hardware or software, was compatible with Vista. It's not like I have an old or decrepit computer, either! When the sticker on the computer says "Vista" I am not sure what they mean that it is compatible with...but it wasn't anything to do with the computer I have.
Needless to say, it takes a better part of a week to reinstall XP, all the software, and all the settings, drivers, fonts, and whatever else your computer had going before installing Vista.
Funny thing is, I didn't see Vista do anything extraordinary during the time I ran it. It does the same thing as XP, only a little differently. Unless you consider new-looking icons a big boon to your computer, I would forget about Vista. And, there are a LOT of things it didn't do, like work correctly.
This is just another noisy show from Microsoft, where you can install a bug-ridden joke, and then spent countless hours and money trying to make it work the way it should.
My next computer will be a MAC. Intel and Microsoft are a joke.
Microsoft site polled my computer and told me what version to install.
Installation takes forever. Vista basically takes over your computer, and you don't have much control over it anymore. You can do the stupid stuff like change your desktop, but try to do some advanced functions! Other things don't work, like I was running XP with the office toolbar, which goes away when you install Vista. In other words, get ready to do it Vista's way, rather than your way.
Next day I needed to fax in my time sheet, only to find out that there is no longer a fax service in the "recommended" version. They wanted me to spend another hundred dollars to get my fax capability back. The next thing I found out is that you can't "roll back" to a working version, so I decided to uninstall it. Come to find out that it can't be uninstalled either. Even from the DOS prompt in any mode, it won't allow you to format your drive! I had to get a bootable disk and delete the partition, which then let the drive be reformatted.
I'm not even going to get into all the compatability issues that I had, but Vista basically said that nothing on my computer, either hardware or software, was compatible with Vista. It's not like I have an old or decrepit computer, either! When the sticker on the computer says "Vista" I am not sure what they mean that it is compatible with...but it wasn't anything to do with the computer I have.
Needless to say, it takes a better part of a week to reinstall XP, all the software, and all the settings, drivers, fonts, and whatever else your computer had going before installing Vista.
Funny thing is, I didn't see Vista do anything extraordinary during the time I ran it. It does the same thing as XP, only a little differently. Unless you consider new-looking icons a big boon to your computer, I would forget about Vista. And, there are a LOT of things it didn't do, like work correctly.
This is just another noisy show from Microsoft, where you can install a bug-ridden joke, and then spent countless hours and money trying to make it work the way it should.
My next computer will be a MAC. Intel and Microsoft are a joke.
bad answer
only someone that works for Microsoft would post a reply like that.
I did research, none of which reveals all the glitches that everyone is having (just continue reading the posts on this thread).
If there was a problem with autodetection/polling, it is only PROOF that Microsoft has no idea what they are doing...OR, they aren't going to give a free upgrade for a recently purchased computer without making you pay for an upgraded version that actually works (of which I have BOTH cases) and neither version of Vista works, on either computer. I don't think I mentioned previously that I have experience with two different computers and two different versions of Vista.
If you would read on down through this thread, you would see evidence that Vista is a joke....since everyone that has a good comment about Vista also owns up to a host of problems.
My comments about Vista are accurate, and I stand by them.
only someone that works for Microsoft would post a reply like that.
I did research, none of which reveals all the glitches that everyone is having (just continue reading the posts on this thread).
If there was a problem with autodetection/polling, it is only PROOF that Microsoft has no idea what they are doing...OR, they aren't going to give a free upgrade for a recently purchased computer without making you pay for an upgraded version that actually works (of which I have BOTH cases) and neither version of Vista works, on either computer. I don't think I mentioned previously that I have experience with two different computers and two different versions of Vista.
If you would read on down through this thread, you would see evidence that Vista is a joke....since everyone that has a good comment about Vista also owns up to a host of problems.
My comments about Vista are accurate, and I stand by them.
My comments about VISTA being generally trouble free are also accurate and I stand behind them.
I agree that research and planning are critical to a successful install without major problems.
The fact that so few people posted major problems to this list show that it is more reliable (but not perfect) than any other version of Windows has been.
I agree that research and planning are critical to a successful install without major problems.
The fact that so few people posted major problems to this list show that it is more reliable (but not perfect) than any other version of Windows has been.
halo71
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hvelliot, for you to doubt what LNC said "trying" to help you is not wise on your part! How long have you been running Vista? I have been running Vista for a little while now and I have no complaints what so ever. And I have posted in this thread a few times now. And I stand behind my comments as well!
as I said...
I ran two different versions of Vista on two different computers. One is a desktop and one is a notebook. They are both top-of-the-line HP models that are commonly had anywhere. That means Vista will be a big malfunction for the lion's share of "common" computer users...unless you are trying to tell me that I have two defective computers. That's not true because they work with XP Professional, at least as far as XP Pro has been "cleaned up" by Microsoft.
Additionally, after you get the "free" Vista upgrade it tells you itself that it needs to be replaced with a higher-bit version...so I had to order one of those and wait on it. Didn't fix anything.
If you guys are having wonderful success with Vista, good for you. it is evident by the posts that you are the exceptions; however, that doesn't fix anything for the rest of us.
Once again, my comments are fair, truthful, and accurate.
I ran two different versions of Vista on two different computers. One is a desktop and one is a notebook. They are both top-of-the-line HP models that are commonly had anywhere. That means Vista will be a big malfunction for the lion's share of "common" computer users...unless you are trying to tell me that I have two defective computers. That's not true because they work with XP Professional, at least as far as XP Pro has been "cleaned up" by Microsoft.
Additionally, after you get the "free" Vista upgrade it tells you itself that it needs to be replaced with a higher-bit version...so I had to order one of those and wait on it. Didn't fix anything.
If you guys are having wonderful success with Vista, good for you. it is evident by the posts that you are the exceptions; however, that doesn't fix anything for the rest of us.
Once again, my comments are fair, truthful, and accurate.
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