Will GPUs Ever Get Cheaper? GPU Pricing Update

[mbk34]

Why doesn't Intel Arc appear in any of these tables? How can we expect prices to come down if you guys don't even publish the competitions figures.

 

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[Avro Arrow]

When ATSC 3.0 sees rollout in your area, that may change. But don't hold your breath.

Oh don't worry, I won't.....

 

[Jerry in WA]

Sure, if a lot more people would stop paying the scalpers and the new nvidia tax. Stop letting them do it. Refuse to buy it. They are ripping you off. Let's compare the ~double priced GPUs to CPUs: 10 years ago, you could get a pretty great 4 core CPU for $350ish. Today, you can get a pretty great 8 core, also, for about $350ish. Barely any inflation, if any at all. Same story with ram and drives. It's only the GPU market that went crazy. Crypto is dead, this is all pure greed from the top. If we stopped buying them, they'd lower the prices again.

 

[m3tavision]

I also have a 1060 6GB with a very old i5-3570K. Normally I would of built a new PC by now but GPU's simply cost too much for what they offer - or at least what I expect. Without a decent GPU, there's just no point in upgrading anything else. I just spend my money on other stuff.

I'll admit I'm not interested in 4k gaming. I'm also not interested in paying stupid money for a mid range card. I did look at the 6650XT but I'm unsure how well it will cope with UE5 based games. It might be an interesting article to see how new GPU's cope with UE5 games or even games based on a range of different engines.

A Radeon 6650xt will give you 100% more performance in 1440p, than a GTX 1060 would in 1080p...

 

[Avro Arrow]

Sure, if a lot more people would stop paying the scalpers and the new nvidia tax. Stop letting them do it. Refuse to buy it. They are ripping you off. Let's compare the ~double priced GPUs to CPUs: 10 years ago, you could get a pretty great 4 core CPU for $350ish. Today, you can get a pretty great 8 core, also, for about $350ish. Barely any inflation, if any at all. Same story with ram and drives. It's only the GPU market that went crazy. Crypto is dead, this is all pure greed from the top. If we stopped buying them, they'd lower the prices again.

Speaking of prices being lowered and not paying the nVidia tax...

MSi RX 6600 XT - $335-$85sale-$20MIR = $230 at Newegg

Crazy, eh?

 

[Zsoltblabla]

What if the government passed a law forcing NVIDIA to open up the CUDA code and make it available to anyone that makes a video card?

In a similar way, force Microsoft to open up the code that runs the applications and make it available to anyone who makes an operating system.

This would make competition work efficiently (or more 'violently', if you like) and lead to lower prices and greater innovation.

This is a very dangerous suggestion! Slippery slope to communism right here.
Yes, the government could do that, but what would happen in the long run? No company ever after would invest the millions required to develop new solutions and technologies if they kjow that the government can just force them to give it all away. Government intervention is almost ALWAYS bad.

 

[waclark]

Nvidia beat on both earnings and revenue yesterday, and it was rewarded with a 12% jump in stock price this morning. Whatever game they are playing it seems to be working for them. So I guess the GPU price scam will continue on and we are just going to have suck it up or buy a console.

The thing is, Nvidia doesn't make its bread and butter with gaming GPUs. It comes from data center products and embedded GPUs which have higher profits than gaming GPUs. Could they drop prices, probably, but I suspect they cannot drop them where everyone seems to think they should be. I would love to see the 4070Ti going for $500, but that's just a pipe dream. $700 might be realistic but then you have to consider whether it would sell any better at $700 versus $800. The price drop on the 7900XT may force Nvidia's hand, but I don't see people clamoring for XTs just yet either, so it's now a waiting game.

 

[waclark]

The smartest option still remains to buy a previous-to-the latest gen at a good discount.

An RTX 3080 (especially the 12GB variant) will serve 1440p gamers at high refresh rates, and those at 4K who are okay with 60FPS, for three to four years. I do not game competitively online, however.

Update: I should mention that the 12GB variant seems hard to find now, at least in the USA. I went for it back in May, 2022 because it was on a Newegg flash sale for $810 bucks- about $200 less than the cheapest 10GB version. It does have a little more CUDA, RT and Tensor cores in addition to the extra 2GB of Vram. It's almost a 3080ti.

Being just a few more bucks than my AORUS 1080ti from 2017 - with literally 2X the performance at 1440p - I have no regrets! Sure, now the 4070Ti is available at nearly the same price for maybe another 20% performance . Hindsight is 20/20 right? But it wasn't in existence at the time.

The problem is that those discounts aren't materializing. the 3080Ti at $820 seems like a good deal and at the time it probably was. But now you can get a 4070Ti with 12G and better overall performance for about the same price. Show me a 3080Ti at below $700 and I might be interested. At $800, I'd rather have the 4070 because it supports DLSS3.

 

[waclark]

What if the government passed a law forcing NVIDIA to open up the CUDA code and make it available to anyone that makes a video card?

In a similar way, force Microsoft to open up the code that runs the applications and make it available to anyone who makes an operating system.

This would make competition work efficiently (or more 'violently', if you like) and lead to lower prices and greater innovation.

Actually, it won't. Take Linux for example. It's basically free, extensible and a very powerful operating system. And yet, it has 7x less market share than MacOS in desktop computing. My opinion as to why that is the case is because there's no one overall Linux distro, there are too many variations and for your typical home user with limited technology knowledge, it's just too complicated (or seems to be). Off-the-shelf, packaged, works the same way across all machines software will win the day every time.

 

[m3tavision]

The problem is that those discounts aren't materializing. the 3080Ti at $820 seems like a good deal and at the time it probably was. But now you can get a 4070Ti with 12G and better overall performance for about the same price. Show me a 3080Ti at below $700 and I might be interested. At $800, I'd rather have the 4070 because it supports DLSS3.

Not too many people run out to get a new GPU for "fake frames"... they are looking for the best possible performance for their $$. (price/performance)

And looking at nearly 20+ review sites any Gamer can clearly see a pattern. That the RTX 4070ti never beats the RTX4080... & that the 4070ti never beats a 4090 in any review... ever..... but they can see the $799 Radeon 7900xt beat the 4090 in some games.


Nobody shopping for a GPU cares about what brand of upscaling they have to use, they want the most raster they can buy.

etc... etc...

 

[waclark]

nd

Not too many people run out to get a new GPU for "fake frames"... they are looking for the best possible performance for their $$. (price/performance)

And looking at nearly 20+ review sites any Gamer can clearly see a pattern. That the RTX 4070ti never beats the RTX4080... & that the 4070ti never beats a 4090 in any review... ever..... but they can see the $799 Radeon 7900xt beat the 4090 in some games.


Nobody shopping for a GPU cares about what brand of upscaling they have to use, they want the most raster they can buy.

etc... etc...

Turn on RT and 4K and it's a different story. If those are the 2 games you play, then go for it. Also, the reference to DLSS was about 30 series versus 40 series. Likewise, while I agree we all want the best raster we can get I have no issue with features that improve frame rates. DLSS and FSR are still in their infancy. There will come a point in time, if we're not already there, that no one will want to pay the hardware cost to get max frames and the use of other means, fake frames as you call them, will be a necessary evil.

 

[m3tavision]

nd

Turn on RT and 4K and it's a different story. If those are the 2 games you play, then go for it. Also, the reference to DLSS was about 30 series versus 40 series. Likewise, while I agree we all want the best raster we can get I have no issue with features that improve frame rates. DLSS and FSR are still in their infancy. There will come a point in time, if we're not already there, that no one will want to pay the hardware cost to get max frames and the use of other means, fake frames as you call them, will be a necessary evil.

Wait what...?
If you turn RT on you loose performance and will not be getting 100 Frames like you said.

Secondly, at 4k... why are you looking at a good deal for a 3080ti...? It's almost always down the list at 4k.

 

[waclark]

Wait what...?
If you turn RT on you loose performance and will not be getting 100 Frames like you said.

Secondly, at 4k... why are you looking at a good deal for a 3080ti...? It's almost always down the list at 4k.

I was suggesting that the 7900XT will not produce the fps when RT is on. As for 3080, that wasn’t me, that was the post I replied to. My point was I’d rather buy the 4070 than the 3080.

The 7900 is a much better value at the new price but honestly neither the 4070 or the 7900 are a “value”.

 

[m3tavision]

I was suggesting that the 7900XT will not produce the fps when RT is on. As for 3080, that wasn’t me, that was the post I replied to. My point was I’d rather buy the 4070 than the 3080.

The 7900 is a much better value at the new price but honestly neither the 4070 or the 7900 are a “value”.

Yes, we all know this... the case scenario for having to spend $3000 plus to run RT on a 4k monitor is on everyone's mind... that is why RT has become a meme in the Multiplayer community. (MOBA, MMO guildwarz, FPS, etc.. are the people actually fueling the GPU war where sustained frames are a must.)

Hardcore Gamers buy their 120Hz ~ 266Hz+ monitors because they want PERFORMANCE.

I don't mind Cheerleaders wanting lower RT frames, understanding they can pause their game and gloat at what their $2,300 GPU will do in 4k.. if they acknowledge that the overwhelming majority of performance Gamers, want frames.... and have no need for the nVidia tax.



And we both know the 10 month old RTX 3090ti (@ $2400) isn't pushing RT frames at 4K any better than the $1079 XTX..!

I would consider that a HUGE VALUE.... since without RT the XTX is the price performance leader.

 

[Gastec]

Nvidia beat on both earnings and revenue yesterday, and it was rewarded with a 12% jump in stock price this morning. Whatever game they are playing it seems to be working for them. So I guess the GPU price scam will continue on and we are just going to have suck it up or buy a console.

Why would we buy a console?

 

[waclark]

Yes, we all know this... the case scenario for having to spend $3000 plus to run RT on a 4k monitor is on everyone's mind... that is why RT has become a meme in the Multiplayer community. (MOBA, MMO guildwarz, FPS, etc.. are the people actually fueling the GPU war where sustained frames are a must.)

Hardcore Gamers buy their 120Hz ~ 266Hz+ monitors because they want PERFORMANCE.

I don't mind Cheerleaders wanting lower RT frames, understanding they can pause their game and gloat at what their $2,300 GPU will do in 4k.. if they acknowledge that the overwhelming majority of performance Gamers, want frames.... and have no need for the nVidia tax.



And we both know the 10 month old RTX 3090ti (@ $2400) isn't pushing RT frames at 4K any better than the $1079 XTX..!

I would consider that a HUGE VALUE.... since without RT the XTX is the price performance leader.

Who's comparing a 2 year old GPU to a new GPU? Also, there are 3090Tis for far less than that today. You can buy used for under $1000. But who's buying new 3090s when you can get a 4090 for less? Gaming is more than MOBA or even multi-player games. And a $1000 XTX isn't a value either.

 

[m3tavision]

Who's comparing a 2 year old GPU to a new GPU? Also, there are 3090Tis for far less than that today. You can buy used for under $1000. But who's buying new 3090s when you can get a 4090 for less? Gaming is more than MOBA or even multi-player games. And a $1000 XTX isn't a value either.

Who..?
The people who own those 2~5+ year old video cards, whom are upgrading to 4k...? Whom have been stuck at 1440p for the last 2-10 years...!

If you just bought a new 4k Gaming monitor (ie Asus PG42UQ $1,500+), nobody's RTX2080~3090 is going to push that panel and certainly not at competitive gaming levels (120Hz+).

And for the stand-alone winner in the price range you mentioned, the XTX is a clear winner in the Price/performance metric and over-all FPS leader. It's easily the best GPU for a new 4K monitor.


Unless your goal is to upgrade from an older card (ie 2080) that couldn't do RT... to a faster card (ie 4080) that will do RT, but slower than your last card.... and don't mind paying the nVidia tax... then OK!

 

[waclark]

Who..?
The people who own those 2~5+ year old video cards, whom are upgrading to 4k...? Whom have been stuck at 1440p for the last 2-10 years...!

If you just bought a new 4k Gaming monitor (ie Asus PG42UQ $1,500+), nobody's RTX2080~3090 is going to push that panel and certainly not at competitive gaming levels (120Hz+).

And for the stand-alone winner in the price range you mentioned, the XTX is a clear winner in the Price/performance metric and over-all FPS leader. It's easily the best GPU for a new 4K monitor.


Unless your goal is to upgrade from an older card (ie 2080) that couldn't do RT... to a faster card (ie 4080) that will do RT, but slower than your last card.... and don't mind paying the nVidia tax... then OK!

You're mixing metaphors. You talk about competitive gaming, yet most of these people are not running 4K. They are, as you said, all about the FPS. Most are likely running 1440 with 120 or 144 hz monitors. If you have a 3090 or even a 3080 you are likely not looking at a 4070 and I highly doubt they are looking at spending $1000 on the 7900 XTX for a 5-25% gain in some games. Now if you're running a 3070 or 6950 maybe you are looking at 7900s and 4070s/4080s.

But that is not what this conversation is about. It was about the XT versus 4070 at the $800 price point. AMD had to lower the price of the XT to be competitive with the 4070. Everyone said the XT was DOA at $900. I guess AMD was just as greedy as NVidia. Either card will do a good job within certain parameters. I don't see either card having a clear advantage over the other. The AMD has more memory, which might matter in some games. The NVidia card has better RT performance, which might matter in some games. And on and on.

 

[m3tavision]

You're mixing metaphors. You talk about competitive gaming, yet most of these people are not running 4K. They are, as you said, all about the FPS. Most are likely running 1440 with 120 or 144 hz monitors. If you have a 3090 or even a 3080 you are likely not looking at a 4070 and I highly doubt they are looking at spending $1000 on the 7900 XTX for a 5-25% gain in some games. Now if you're running a 3070 or 6950 maybe you are looking at 7900s and 4070s/4080s.

But that is not what this conversation is about. It was about the XT versus 4070 at the $800 price point. AMD had to lower the price of the XT to be competitive with the 4070. Everyone said the XT was DOA at $900. I guess AMD was just as greedy as NVidia. Either card will do a good job within certain parameters. I don't see either card having a clear advantage over the other. The AMD has more memory, which might matter in some games. The NVidia card has better RT performance, which might matter in some games. And on and on.

YOU are the one mentioning 4k....

I said:
"And looking at nearly 20+ review sites any Gamer can clearly see a pattern. That the RTX 4070ti never beats the RTX4080... & that the 4070ti never beats a 4090 in any review... ever..... but they can see the $799 Radeon 7900xt beat the 4090 in some games.

Nobody shopping for a GPU cares about what brand of upscaling they have to use, they want the most raster they can buy."


And your reply was:
"Turn on RT and 4K and it's a different story."



And so here we are full circle and you are TRYING hardly... to frame the XT as a 4070ti competitor... lol.

 

[waclark]

YOU are the one mentioning 4k....

I said:
"And looking at nearly 20+ review sites any Gamer can clearly see a pattern. That the RTX 4070ti never beats the RTX4080... & that the 4070ti never beats a 4090 in any review... ever..... but they can see the $799 Radeon 7900xt beat the 4090 in some games.

Nobody shopping for a GPU cares about what brand of upscaling they have to use, they want the most raster they can buy."


And your reply was:
"Turn on RT and 4K and it's a different story."



And so here we are full circle and you are TRYING hardly... to frame the XT as a 4070ti competitor... lol.

Mentioned in relation to cherry picked benchmarks between 4070 and XT, not XTX or 4080 or 4090 which you brought into the discussion. The XT is a competitor to the 4070 as evidenced by AMD dropping prices to better compete. At $100 more the XT was a hard pass.

 

[ddferrari]

The problem is that those discounts aren't materializing. the 3080Ti at $820 seems like a good deal and at the time it probably was. But now you can get a 4070Ti with 12G and better overall performance for about the same price. Show me a 3080Ti at below $700 and I might be interested. At $800, I'd rather have the 4070 because it supports DLSS3.

True, the RTX 4070Ti seems to be in stock and selling for MSRP. I'm seeing one right now at Micro Center for $799 - an Asus model. I guess I hadn't checked in a while, but it appears that getting a last-gen model on the cheap just isn't true this time around.

When I picked up my 3080 (12GB model), the 4070Ti had not been announced. Knowing how crazy prices were in early 2022, and wondering if availability was ever coming back, I jumped on this card when it went on a flash sale for $810 at Newegg. The cheapest 10GB version was still going for $1200, so it was a no-brainer at the time. My old (and beloved) 1080Ti just wasn't cutting it anymore at 3440/1440p, and I decided to sell it on ebay while it still had some value ($350).

I actually don't have much buyer's remorse; the 4070Ti is only ~10% faster at my resolution - according to Mr. Steve Walton's review. Also, I have to factor in that I have been enjoying my card now for about 10 months, which has value to me. It overclocked very nicely and definitely competes with or beats a stock 3080Ti. Techspot's own review of this card said it was only 3% slower. Not the latest and greatest, but still a beast that has yet to disappoint.

Hey - more 4070Ti stock for everyone else!

 

[captaincranky]

Peeking at Homonym Police doing their duty.

Best thing to do is just grin and "bare" it.

Although, if one's interest in a subject has arrived at, shall we say, an "orgasmic level", "peaked" works in that context.

Best thing to do is "pitch a tent", while enjoying the show (Just thought I'd stir a little double entendre in this, **"tempest in a teapot").

** Archaic colloquial expression thrown in for good measure.