Your loud exhaust could get you fined as more US cities pair noise detectors with license plate readers

[Theinsanegamer]

really only option since if you call it in to catch them in the act never happens as they show up 45 min after they left.. I dont think people realize how life changing and terrible it is to be woken up at 6am everyday by a car honking by your bedroom or a muffler rumbling your whole home. even earplugs wont fix that. but wtf should I have to wear earplugs at night when I sleep anyways?

Do you think most people live in some luxury loft with sound deprivation tanks?

We hear something loud....we just deal with it and move on with our day. I certainly wouldnt want to invite invasive camera systems into my city that can charge me money because they THINK I made a noise over it.

It's like everyone has collectively forgotten the whole reason FLOCK cameras became a thing, now they are inviting it again with microphones because loud cars upset them. Then once its revealed that the microphones record more then just loud sounds, that people are receiving tickets for things they did not do (and its harder to prove, you say your car isnt noisy, do you now have to have a test done at your own expense to prove this? How do we deal with false tickets?) then everyone will be up in arms about privacy and being recorded AGAIN.

Those who are willing to trade privacy for security deserve neither.

 

[Hexic]

After the last few months of drama surrounding automated systems, the irony here is so rich one could taste it.

 

[bandit8623]

Do you think most people live in some luxury loft with sound deprivation tanks?

We hear something loud....we just deal with it and move on with our day. I certainly wouldnt want to invite invasive camera systems into my city that can charge me money because they THINK I made a noise over it.

It's like everyone has collectively forgotten the whole reason FLOCK cameras became a thing, now they are inviting it again with microphones because loud cars upset them. Then once its revealed that the microphones record more then just loud sounds, that people are receiving tickets for things they did not do (and its harder to prove, you say your car isnt noisy, do you now have to have a test done at your own expense to prove this? How do we deal with false tickets?) then everyone will be up in arms about privacy and being recorded AGAIN.

Those who are willing to trade privacy for security deserve neither.

thats not the saying

 

[Joey Rakas]

Some of you clearly have zero actual clue of how exhaust systems or exhaust restrictors(aka mufflers & cats) work. It's been debunked over and over. Sure, maybe a low horsepower car will see little benefit to no benefit to a less restrictive exhaust, but it will still see some benefit. Breath through a coffee straw, then try beverage straw, and try without a straw. It's the same essential concept. The "back-pressure" concept, was and has always been a myth, highly inflated by *****s on the internet for years. And has again, been de-bunked many times over via the chassis dyno. If you ever meet someone who has gone through a high performance engine class, do yourself a favor and ask them what they think about back pressure.

That being said. I DO AGREE there are plenty of vehicles on the road that are absolutely annoyingly obnoxious. And there is already something in place for this. A LEO, can pull these vehicles over, and perform the proper inspection, and cite the person. How about Semi trucks & logging trucks per say? Are you people not bothered by these? People in their yards running leaf blowers & other high DB yard equipment like Chainsaws. These "Noise Detectors" seem like a total waste of tax payer money, with too many stipulations & possible false positives. Or say failing equipment giving bad readings.

 

[p51d007]

That would be great, but given this is new tech, I'm instead imaging driving my car next to a straight piped harley by one of these Cameras and me getting a ticket in the mail.

Then take it to court.

 

[bandit8623]

Some of you clearly have zero actual clue of how exhaust systems or exhaust restrictors(aka mufflers & cats) work. It's been debunked over and over. Sure, maybe a low horsepower car will see little benefit to no benefit to a less restrictive exhaust, but it will still see some benefit. Breath through a coffee straw, then try beverage straw, and try without a straw. It's the same essential concept. The "back-pressure" concept, was and has always been a myth, highly inflated by *****s on the internet for years. And has again, been de-bunked many times over via the chassis dyno. If you ever meet someone who has gone through a high performance engine class, do yourself a favor and ask them what they think about back pressure.

That being said. I DO AGREE there are plenty of vehicles on the road that are absolutely annoyingly obnoxious. And there is already something in place for this. A LEO, can pull these vehicles over, and perform the proper inspection, and cite the person. How about Semi trucks & logging trucks per say? Are you people not bothered by these? People in their yards running leaf blowers & other high DB yard equipment like Chainsaws. These "Noise Detectors" seem like a total waste of tax payer money, with too many stipulations & possible false positives. Or say failing equipment giving bad readings.

how many semis roll down res roads? not very often. garbage is loud enough but thats after 8am

 

[Plutoisaplanet]

Some of you clearly have zero actual clue of how exhaust systems or exhaust restrictors(aka mufflers & cats) work. It's been debunked over and over. Sure, maybe a low horsepower car will see little benefit to no benefit to a less restrictive exhaust, but it will still see some benefit. Breath through a coffee straw, then try beverage straw, and try without a straw. It's the same essential concept. The "back-pressure" concept, was and has always been a myth, highly inflated by *****s on the internet for years. And has again, been de-bunked many times over via the chassis dyno. If you ever meet someone who has gone through a high performance engine class, do yourself a favor and ask them what they think about back pressure.

That being said. I DO AGREE there are plenty of vehicles on the road that are absolutely annoyingly obnoxious. And there is already something in place for this. A LEO, can pull these vehicles over, and perform the proper inspection, and cite the person. How about Semi trucks & logging trucks per say? Are you people not bothered by these? People in their yards running leaf blowers & other high DB yard equipment like Chainsaws. These "Noise Detectors" seem like a total waste of tax payer money, with too many stipulations & possible false positives. Or say failing equipment giving bad readings.

If a stranger comes to my neighborhood with a chainsaw or leaf blower to be loud, I can call the cops. That’s not even an issue anyone needs to deal with. The same applies to logging trucks and semi trucks driving through neighborhoods to be loud.

 

[Burty117]

These cameras were trialled in the UK, they don't work well enough without a lot of human review, it does depend on the road, but essentially, if it's something like a motorway or duel carriageway, two cars side-by-side or overtaking, it can easily mistake the loud noise coming from the wrong car, and if left to it's own devices, would regularly fine the wrong vehicle.

The decision was made not to role these out nationwide, instead, some police forces use them on smaller slower roads where it's much better at getting accurate readings.

 

[bbutle01]

Ok, I'm sold. I'll even contribute to having it installed. I live on a rural highways, 55mph sign in my front yard. You can stick it on that sign. But adjust the angle of the camera because guess how many people go 45/55... none. I think 75 is the average speed. And the loud ones, it's funny because I can sit in my living room and tell you half the time, oh that's the straight pipe'd mustang, oh that's the chevy diesel pickup towing a trailer, oh that's the squid on the black and green bike. The only ones that don't aren't repeating are the semi's. Every dang one hits the jake brake to get back down to 65 when they see that 45 coming up...

Yes please, I'll gladly take your flock cameras.

 

[bbutle01]

$800 fine for noise!?! Wow!

Especially fun for those too poor to own a quiet car.


(And all the old men shaking fist at youths cars in the comments is hilarious.)

I can tell you that 90% of the cars I see making the noise spent money making them loud. The guy driving the clunker with no header gaskets probably isn't going to set this off. It's the guys with straight pipes that will.

 

[ScottSoapbox]

too poor? how did they afford to put on the straight pipes? they dont come like that. cars all come quiet stock. unless the muffler falls off. this crap about not having enough to fix this is bull. if you cant upkeep your car dont have one. take the bus.

Apparently you have never heard a muffler that has a hole rusted through it.
Slipping belts also can make a lot of noise.
Buses aren't available everywhere.
There is a world outside your own experience.

 

[mbk34]

They trialed them here in London but only in limited areas. I'm not sure why they weren't rolled out everywhere. I live in a fairly sleepy coastal location but, even here, there's a motorbike that rides around the local area with a "race" exhaust. You can hear him a mile away which means he's annoying 1000's of people every time he goes out. I'm not against motorbikes, I have 2, I'm just against folk disturbing others. I'm all for it.

 

[Underdog]

Some of you clearly have zero actual clue of how exhaust systems or exhaust restrictors(aka mufflers & cats) work. It's been debunked over and over. Sure, maybe a low horsepower car will see little benefit to no benefit to a less restrictive exhaust, but it will still see some benefit. Breath through a coffee straw, then try beverage straw, and try without a straw. It's the same essential concept. The "back-pressure" concept, was and has always been a myth, highly inflated by *****s on the internet for years. And has again, been de-bunked many times over via the chassis dyno. If you ever meet someone who has gone through a high performance engine class, do yourself a favor and ask them what they think about back pressure.

That being said. I DO AGREE there are plenty of vehicles on the road that are absolutely annoyingly obnoxious. And there is already something in place for this. A LEO, can pull these vehicles over, and perform the proper inspection, and cite the person. How about Semi trucks & logging trucks per say? Are you people not bothered by these? People in their yards running leaf blowers & other high DB yard equipment like Chainsaws. These "Noise Detectors" seem like a total waste of tax payer money, with too many stipulations & possible false positives. Or say failing equipment giving bad readings.

Clearly you haven't seen the filming of an engine on a dyno being tested while having the headers systematically beaten to death with a hammer while recording the effects on horsepower. There was virtually no reduction untill the internal diameter was below 50%! And then it was still producing impressive output.

 

[toooooot]

Why do we all have to suffer for few asshats...

 

[LordVile95]

Why do we all have to suffer for few asshats...

I mean you wouldn’t, it’s the asshats being found out here

 

[Robertrogue]

Then take it to court.

With these new systems there is no "court" to go to. If you allow anyone other than you to drive the car/truck/motorcycle you get the speeding/noise/etc ticket in the mail. If you were not the driver, you must provide a police report that states the vehicle was stolen to get the fine waived. I remember a time when a crime was committed, a person committed the crime. Now as a "safety" tag the local governments, to beef up the coffers, without lowering taxes, put these "safety" cameras in and tax the citizens under the guise of "keeping the public safe". Sorry, I disagree with all these A.I. cameras, these things are like a drag net on the streets, grandma with the $1200 a month SS check cant afford to fix the broken exhaust on the car gets a $2900 ticket or a $150 fine for going 10 miles an hour over the posted speed limit because she allowed her grandkid to run to the quick mart for her. It is raping the tax payers. Meanwhile true major and violent crimes are being committed all around and we spend millions of dollars to catch excessive noise or that speeder.....

 

[Rocky4040]

I have to admit I like a nice V8 with rumbling exhaust but at the same time when you see them in the streets and they floor it every chance they get and it echo's from 5-6 blocks away that is getting carried away. Don't even get me started on the 4 bangers and their fart sound exhaust.

Just my opinion but maybe they should start looking at the ones that take their nice safe trucks and turn them into death machines on wheels. Those 1.5-2 foot lifts totally mess up the trucks center of gravity and make them very unsafe for the driver and everyone around them.

I asked one guy why he did that to his truck and his reply because it is cool and all the YT'ers are doing it so why not. He also put in there lifting the truck makes it better for 4x4 in the mud as it gives more clearance. My reply was how does that work your rear end and front end are still the same distance from the ground the only thing you lifted was the body nothing else. He had no comeback for that but you could see the wheels turning in his mind trying to understand what I said.

 

[Robertrogue]

I can tell you that 90% of the cars I see making the noise spent money making them loud. The guy driving the clunker with no header gaskets probably isn't going to set this off. It's the guys with straight pipes that will.

So fining the poor chaps that cannot afford to update or repair their vehicles get slapped to try and punish all the nimrods with loud vehicles.....with this logic, why don't they just fine everyone weekly for all the times they broke a traffic violation but didn't get seen or caught. Hell, just bill each registered vehicle, hell even the kids placing cards in the spokes of the bikes because someone might find this annoying. Making a nuisance into a tax is utilizing an opinion into a law. One person may find that Harley annoying, but another may not. Your opinion and millions of others may different, but hey, "I get my opinion heard and made into a tax to punish all those tuners and bikers!!" Wow, this is the ultimate "Keep off my grass" or "you need to slow down" Karen move if ever I seen it.

 

[bandit8623]

So fining the poor chaps that cannot afford to update or repair their vehicles get slapped to try and punish all the nimrods with loud vehicles.....with this logic, why don't they just fine everyone weekly for all the times they broke a traffic violation but didn't get seen or caught. Hell, just bill each registered vehicle, hell even the kids placing cards in the spokes of the bikes because someone might find this annoying. Making a nuisance into a tax is utilizing an opinion into a law. One person may find that Harley annoying, but another may not. Your opinion and millions of others may different, but hey, "I get my opinion heard and made into a tax to punish all those tuners and bikers!!" Wow, this is the ultimate "Keep off my grass" or "you need to slow down" Karen move if ever I seen it.

for anything you mentioned they do ticket and fine...you have to be caught.. again if you want to drive your vehicle on roads you also need insurance. are you saying poor people shoudlnt have insurance if they cant afford it? thats not how the game works. if you cant afford to play the game dont play it. what about tabs? if you are too poor should u just not pay your tabs? list goes on and on.

 

[Robertrogue]

for anything you mentioned they do ticket and fine...you have to be caught.. again if you want to drive your vehicle on roads you also need insurance. are you saying poor people shoudlnt have insurance if they cant afford it? thats not how the game works. if you cant afford to play the game dont play it. what about tabs? if you are too poor should u just not pay your tabs? list goes on and on.

You are just being obstinate to just be obstinate. The point I was making was that breaking a law and getting a fine for it should be done by a law enforcement officer. Not AI generated pictures and videos based on someone's opinion. There is currently not a law against having a broken muffler in most states, you DO have to have insurance, yet I still have to have "uninsured motorist" on my policy because of all the people that do not have it. What you are saying is just rubbish. Casting a wide net to put money in the coffers is what these cameras and sound devices are for. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[bandit8623]

You are just being obstinate to just be obstinate. The point I was making was that breaking a law and getting a fine for it should be done by a law enforcement officer. Not AI generated pictures and videos based on someone's opinion. There is currently not a law against having a broken muffler in most states, you DO have to have insurance, yet I still have to have "uninsured motorist" on my policy because of all the people that do not have it. What you are saying is just rubbish. Casting a wide net to put money in the coffers is what these cameras and sound devices are for. Nothing more and nothing less.

if you have a muffler thats broken and its loud. yes there is a law for that. you are wanting made up stuff to be real. what videos are being ai generated for tickets??? these are cams catching people. if tou read my other posts you would see we agree on speeding tickets. as they cant prove you were driving. for things like broken things on your car thats on the owner. --
did you know to even parking your car in your driveway you need it to be up to code? ---
Junk or Nuisance Vehicle Ordinances: Most cities prohibit keeping "inoperable" or "junk" vehicles outdoors on residential property. A car often qualifies if it has expired registration (tabs), flat tires, broken windows, missing vital parts, or doesn't run
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No U.S. state allows a broken or excessively damaged muffler on public roads. [1]
Every state requires a working exhaust system and functional muffler to control noise, prevent excessive smoke, and keep dangerous exhaust fumes out of the vehicle cabin. Driving with a broken exhaust or loud, damaged muffler can result in a traffic stop, a fine, or a failed vehicle safety inspection where inspections are required