A number of US cities are pulling the plug on Flock Safety's AI cameras

[Rumiku]

Quite simply, this is the most absurd rationalization I've heard in a good while. You might as well criticize fingerprinting and DNA technology for allowing police to grow lazy. For every person wrongly arrested based on AI video monitoring, there are 100,000 others not wrongly arrested, thanks to that video either giving them an alibi, or by identifying the proper perpetrator. And without video evidence, police fall back on the most fallible, wildly inaccurate tool in their arsenal -- the "eyewitness identification" ... source of more false imprisonments than we'll ever know.

Fair enough. To each their own my friend.

 

[acrossthestars]

You're simply assuming that whatever the law is, it will be ignored.
But if that's the case, those ignoring the law may keep installing surveillance tech, this time in total secrecy - there will be zero oversight, data can be kept indefinitely and everyone tracked and profiled. This will be many orders of magnitude worse than the official lawful use. There will be no crime prevention or catching criminals and illegals, just the bad stuff with no oversight.

People tend to obey the law, to the least extent humanly necessary. Laws create incentives, but they also have unintended consequences with perverse outcomes.

There will be no crime prevention or catching criminals and illegals, just the bad stuff with no oversight.

Which is why people don't agree with vigilantes or grey hat hackers, but they "get it". Much as we might not like to admit it, the only solution to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Force only responds to its equal but opposite, it does not respond to lawful, lesser responses.

While surveillance is not a "force" in the traditional sense that it can be percievably measured (it can only be understood in the abstract or as a result of the effects it produces), it is a threat nontheless. But people only understand this when they feel an oppressive sense of observation: like they are caged animals, being studied and analyzed.

 

[wizardB]

Safety cameras do a really, really good job in preventing crime, quickly resolving cases and catching criminals, including illegals. Removing them will have the same disastrous effect "defund the police" idiocy had.

The privacy concerns are valid, but that's not an unsolvable problem with the right set of policies. If every access to the data is logged along with a reason for requesting access, combined with a proper retention policy (delete data after X days if there's no reason to keep it) and strict rules (no profiling of legal citizens etc.), it's perfectly possible to have both safety and privacy.

He who surrenders their freedom for the appearance of safety will have neither.

 

[daffy duck]

Any technology that identifies ILLEGALS is OK in my book. Get them OUT of my country

But where would all you Americans go. You certainly aren't a native American.

 

[Northy]

Safety cameras do a really, really good job in preventing crime, quickly resolving cases and catching criminals, including illegals. Removing them will have the same disastrous effect "defund the police" idiocy had.

The privacy concerns are valid, but that's not an unsolvable problem with the right set of policies. If every access to the data is logged along with a reason for requesting access, combined with a proper retention policy (delete data after X days if there's no reason to keep it) and strict rules (no profiling of legal citizens etc.), it's perfectly possible to have both safety and privacy.

This position is rational and valid, sadly you live in a country filled with politicized maniacs.

 

[Madethedevilcry]

This is a ridiculous circle of repeating the same game in order to occupy your attention.
One side complains because all of their imported voters will be found and removed-- but they have no concern for their constituents because nobody votes for them(as if voting decided anything).
The other side is boasting all the crime solved and illegal immigration reversed. But they KNOW that their owners gave orders to the other side to import 30 million invaders AND ordered the violent criminals get out of jail pending a pretend trial while stacking victims.
So they're charging millions of dollars for the citizens to pay for their loss of privacy through this company. When it's all just a bunch of unnecessary money waste and distractions. There are so many different Technologies already being used for decades such as Gorgon stair that can monitor the smell of your breathe while also collecting data of everything within .iles of your mouth.
there is mo privacy. They don't need this flock system but it's a great way for them to take all your money and give it away

Intense deep surveillance of all the politicians and government bureaucracies Etc are the only ones that really should be monitored and investigating.

 

[RudyBob]

But where would all you Americans go. You certainly aren't a native American.

There are NO native Americans. I did the research, I read the books. I have no guilt that must be assuaged. The Indians could be and more often then not were a brutal stone age people that didn't even have the wheel. They were always at war with each other and reveled in torture. They were not "Dance With Wolves" Indians. They took "their" land from other Indians. Go read how the Apache asked the Mexicans to team up against the Comanche and that's just a starting point. Next watch "Black Robe". But Hey! Who doesn't enjoy deciphering smoke signals, dancing around the campfire singing and getting all that great cancer curing Shaman medicine? And moccasins, man are they comfy. As far as I am concerned they got a raw deal from the white man but the Jews got a raw deal too. It happens. They are no better or worse than any group of people. The settlers just happened to have better weapons

 

[Endymio]

As far as I am concerned they got a raw deal from the white man but the Jews got a raw deal too. It happens.

Yes, the only people to treat Native Americans worse than the Europeans were ... the other Native Americans.

Since you mention Dances with Wolves, I'll counter with Revenant, another stellar example of Hollywood revisionism of a "true story". In the film, the noble Indians chase the evil French trappers who kidnapped a daughter of a Ree Indian chief. In reality, the Ree practiced cannibalism, treated women as chattel, regularly sacrificed young maidens to the gods for luck, and -- relevant to the events of the story -- sold the trappers a band of horses in exchange for gunpowder (the better to kill their enemy, the Sioux), then reneged on the deal the next day, trying to regain the horses by ambushing and killing everyone. They were eventually vanquished by the help of the US Army (as shown in the film) but also by the assistance of the Sioux, who were only too happy to help wipe out their competition.

 

[RudyBob]

Yes, the only people to treat Native Americans worse than the Europeans were ... the other Native Americans.

Since you mention Dances with Wolves, I'll counter with Revenant, another stellar example of Hollywood revisionism of a "true story".

Thank You for your post. I hope many people read it and take it to heart. I thought of "The Revenant" as well