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AMD introduces 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X CPU, two Navi Radeon RX 5700 GPUs at E3 2019

By Shawn Knight · 106 replies
Jun 10, 2019
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  1. The Ryzen 9 3950X is a 16-core / 32-thread chip sporting a base clock of 3.5GHz, a 4.7GHz Boost clock, 72MB of total cache and a TDP of 105W. Many (ourselves included) expected AMD to postpone the launch of its 16-core chip until 2020 but clearly, the chipmaker had other plans. Look for it to ship this September and set you back $749.

    AMD additionally shared further information about Zen 2. Thanks to double the amount of L3 cache and lower memory latency, you can expect up to 21 percent higher performance in 1080p gaming.

    According to AMD’s own testing, the Ryzen 9 3900X is roughly on par with Intel’s Core i9-9900K in 1080p gaming but comes out ahead in creative-focused tests like Cinebench R20 and Adobe Premiere. It’s a similar story for the Ryzen 7 3800X versus Intel’s Core i7-9700K and the Ryzen 5 3600X against the Core i5-9600K, both in games and creative workloads.

    If you’re the type that likes squeezing every bit of performance out of your memory subsystem, you’ll like what AMD has in store here. DDR4-3200 is the officially supported spec although the company claims it has hit DDR4-5100 on air thanks to its new memory controller design. The sweet spot for performance, however, will reportedly be DDR4-3733 due to the Infinity Fabric tying to the memory clock at a ratio of 1:1 up to this point. Your workload will largely dictate which memory configuration is best.

    Early adopters will also be happy to know that the Windows 10 May 2019 update is optimized for Zen, delivering better topology awareness for the CCX design. AMD said users can expect up to a 15 percent performance improvement just from the Windows update. AMD further revealed that all 3rd-gen Ryzen 7 and Ryzen 9 CPUs come with the premium AMD Wraith Prism Cooler which features built-in Razer Chroma lighting.

    Moving on to graphics, AMD on Monday announced the Radeon RX 5700 series which includes the RX 5700 XT and the RX 5700. The faster of the two cards, the Radeon RX 5700 XT features 40 compute units and 2,560 stream processors which is good for 9.75 TFLOPs of performance. You also get up to a 1,905MHz Boost Clock and a Game Clock of 1,755MHz which is the speed at which AMD expects the card to run at in typical gaming scenarios.

    Stepping down a rung, we’ve got the Radeon RX 5700 with 36 compute units and 2,304 stream processors for up to 7.95 TFLOPs of performance. The Boost and Game Clocks are also down, to 1,725MHz and 1,625MHz, respectively, but the memory configuration, ROPs and texture units are the same as the XT model. TDPs are rated at 225W for the faster XT and 180W for the standard 5700.

    In performance figures provided by AMD (as always, take those with a grain of salt until confirmed independently), the Radeon RX 5700 XT looks to provide a significant uplift compared to the Radeon RX Vega 56. It also comes out ahead of the Nvidia RTX 2070 in most tests although the performance gap is much closer than compared to the Vega 56. Similarly, the RX 5700 is a smidge faster than the RTX 2060 at 1440p settings according to AMD.

    Both cards are expected to hit store shelves July 7th, the RX 5700 XT will start at $449 and the RX 5700 is $379.

    Zooming out a bit for a more generalized look at Navi, we see that AMD is once again going with blower-style coolers for the reference models. The RX 5700 XT model specifically uses an aluminum shroud and backplate with vapor chamber cooling, an acoustically tuned contour design and graphite thermal interface material.

    Also of interest is a new Radeon Display Engine with support for Display Stream Compression 1.2a. This supports monitors up to 4K @ 240Hz as well as 4K HDR @ 120Hz and 8K HDR @ 60Hz. Notably, however, the new cards don’t support HDMI specification 2.1.

    In terms of architectural changes, much of what AMD discussed with Navi is beyond our traditional scope of coverage. If you’re into that sort of thing, we’d recommend checking out a site like Anandtech as they usually have detailed, in-depth coverage focused on architecture.

    For a broad overview, however, it is worth mentioning that with RDNA, the compute unit has been redesigned for improved performance and efficiency. This means it’s not just a slight evolution of Graphics Core Next (CGN) but rather, something new altogether that results in reduced execution latency, better single-thread performance, an improved cache design and better resource pooling.

    All things considered, AMD said RDNA achieves a 25 percent performance increase per clock compared to GCN. In a same power, same configuration comparison, AMD said the performance gain increases to 50 percent. There’s also a 1.5x performance per watt gain compared to Vega 64.

    Last but certainly not least is new AMD Radeon Software Adrenaline 2019 Edition version 19.7.1 (whew, that’s a mouthful) launching July 7. It boasts a slew of new features including anti-lag tech that aims to improve input-to-display response times and AMD Radeon Image Sharpening, an intelligent sharpening technology that looks far more compelling than Nvidia’s DLSS tech.

    This post-processing effect has little to no performance impact (around one percent) and best yet, supports thousands of new and old games. You will need an RX 5700 series GPU to utilize it, however.

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  2. LogiGaming

    LogiGaming TS Addict Posts: 126   +91

    Very very disapointed.

    1- It´s 2019, AMD is on 7nm and all they can do is a GPU with 225w TDP competing with a RTX 2070, and launching for 500€ on Europe, same price as 2070.

    2- 3800x can´t even beat i7 9700k on a light engine like Overwatch and they shown comparasions on Black ops 3 (really? a game from 2015 that no one plays) and Rocket League. I wasn´t expecting AMD to be any slow on those light engines at all. I wanted to see Frostbite Battlefield benchmarks, Black Ops 4 Blackout, Quake Champions or Escape from Tarkov. Games that actually stress the CPU a lot.

    3- I can see that it still won´t beat an intel cpu on high refresh gaming.

    Guess I will keep my 9700k 5ghz because I won´t be "upgrading" for something with more threads but have less performance on what matters to me.

    Was expecting way more from the 7nm. Now will wait for independent reviews but as Steve Burke froM GN said, AMD and Intel always pick the benchmarks that favour them, so don´t expect miracles when we see the whole picture on many different games.

    Also curious to see wether dual channel memory can bottleneck the 16 core CPU or not. Steve said it will for sure in certain scenarios. Let´s wait and see.
     
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  3. antiproduct

    antiproduct TS Addict Posts: 110   +118

    Really, you'll probably just need to wait for all the real benchmarks next month... but aside from that, if you have a current gen Intel processor, why would you think you'd need to switch and act disappointed about this? The performance isn't going to be that drastically different anyway. Just like every generation of Intel processor since Sandy Bridge, only tiny incremental gains. I guess the main difference between AMD and Intel would be price, but that probably doesn't matter as much to you.
     
  4. LogiGaming

    LogiGaming TS Addict Posts: 126   +91

    I was heavily interested on the 3900x 12c/24t to use only 1 PC for streaming instead of 2. But I´m not willing to give up on performance on my 240hz monitor/multiplayer shooters. Plus AMD is so superior to Intel right now node/litology wise, that I was expecting them to completly Obliterate Intel performance, or at least be exactly as good.
     
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  5. koblongata

    koblongata TS Addict Posts: 181   +56

    This "RDNA" thing is everywhere now, though

    Developers are going to use a compiler or an architecture that is optimized for it.

    I think the future results across the board will be very different.
     
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  6. yRaz

    yRaz Nigerian Prince Posts: 2,858   +2,165

    Well you can go ahead and be disappointed because you are in a fraction of a fraction of a percent of gamers. For the rest of us, this means it's likely Intel will have to respond with price cuts that benefit us all. Further, if you had been following this at all you'd already have an idea of performance numbers and know that the expected performance is actually HIGHER than previously predicted.

    Also, they do beat Intel significantly in workloads other than gaming and this now makes it look they are going to be competitive with Intel in the server segment.

    AMD is going to have a large impact on the industry with these products and the fact you are disappointed is completely irrelevant
     
  7. redhat

    redhat TS Member Posts: 36   +24

    AMD is always ahead in TDP, what a shame >_<
     
  8. LogiGaming

    LogiGaming TS Addict Posts: 126   +91

    Fraction of a fraction? Not sure about that considering the most played games on PC are multiplayer shooters. Twitch is driven by FPS gamers like Shroud, Ninja, Summit etc. More and more kids are interested in buying PC rigs to play those games online and play competitively. I think this is not a fraction, it is our current reality.

    Fraction of a fraction is people buying PCs to play tomb raider or assassins creed or any other single player game with eye candy and low fps. That´s a fraction and SteamStats show us exactly that. Multiplayer/online gaming is king right now, e-sports moves more money than hollywood.

    You can damage control how you want, it´s up to you.
     
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  9. treetops

    treetops TS Evangelist Posts: 2,496   +514

    With the new consoles coming out in 2020 you would think new games will utilize 10+ cores.
    5700 XT 450$
    5700 379$
    You can now toss every Nvidia card under the 2080 in the used card pit.
     
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  10. yRaz

    yRaz Nigerian Prince Posts: 2,858   +2,165

    You're a 240hz streamer with a huge budget, you are in the <0.1% of gamers. These products are going to benefit a HUGE number of people. And these products are great for workstations with multithreaded workloads.

    Not only are you a fraction of a fraction of gamers, you are an even smaller fraction of people buying PCs for other reasons.

    Intel has a product that works for your VERY SPECIFIC workload. No one cares about your disappointment
     
  11. QuantumPhysics

    QuantumPhysics TS Evangelist Posts: 1,146   +836


    I totally agree with you.

    AMD has fallen behind and I don't see them catching up. Nvidia's product is more expensive, but at least they are putting up the performance to match the cost.

    A cost BTW that very few really need to incur unless they want bleeding edge performance.
     
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  12. LogiGaming

    LogiGaming TS Addict Posts: 126   +91

    No one cares about mainstream CPUs performance on workstations and multithreaded workloads, if you make a living from It. If you do, you should look at HEDT, not mainstream, because with HEDT you can make money faster. So that argument is irrelevant.

    Most of the mainstream CPUs are sold for Gaming/Entertainment. Not for professionals where each minute equals money.
     
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  13. yRaz

    yRaz Nigerian Prince Posts: 2,858   +2,165

    People on a budget do. And if this is anything like we will see out of the new threadripper, the workstations users will care. The CPUs competing with their Intel counterparts completely destroy Intel in multithreaded workloads. This also means AMD will now be competitive in the server market, the largest market for CPU buyerd

    These numbers are better than expected and you would know that if you weren't too busy making videos for 12 year olds
     
  14. Bp968

    Bp968 TS Booster Posts: 94   +76

    Lol, damage control? From what I saw the 3900x had no problems keeping up with the 9900k in high FPS gaming and in 1440p gaming. They match single core performance and destroy in multicore performance and destroy in price/performance. The ryzen CPUs are excellent performers

    As for the Video cards, yes they are not blowing away the Nivida cards but they are going to push the prices down and worse for Nvidia, they are going into both new consoles and Google Stadia. That is a very very big deal. Nvidia has owned the gaming world for so long that they get a baseline performance boost simply from developers tweaking to see the best performance for most of their users (who just happen to be nvidia users). But with the next gen consoles all going AMD this will be changing and the baseline for developers to be working on will all be AMD hardware. That will be paying dividends in 2021 and 2022.
     
  15. jbc029

    jbc029 TS Rookie

    Lol. So laughably off the mark...the MCU alone outperforms all of esports annually.
     
  16. QuantumPhysics

    QuantumPhysics TS Evangelist Posts: 1,146   +836


    The number one hardware used on Steam surveys is the GTX1060.

    Nvidia occupies the first 11 spots.

    I don't see AMD even remotely touching that anytime soon - and by soon I mean like ever.
     
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  17. treetops

    treetops TS Evangelist Posts: 2,496   +514

    So you're saying the Ryzen 9 3950X is the new king?

    Yeah and most people still use Edison's light bulb, even though Tesla's bulb has been superior for over 100 years....

    At one point most people had land line phones.... etc etc
     
  18. Evernessince

    Evernessince TS Evangelist Posts: 3,900   +3,346

    How about waiting for 3rd party benchmarks first. You said you were going to wait yet your last 2 comments are nothing but you stating you won't buy these new processors.

    FYI the 3900X clearly dominates the 9900K when it comes to steaming

    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Wp5...en_3000_horizon_next__lisa_su_e3_2019_020.jpg
     
  19. yRaz

    yRaz Nigerian Prince Posts: 2,858   +2,165

    The majority of gamers are console gamers. It's not even by a small amount. Developers are going to have to optimize for AMD hardware on the new consoles, that will transfer over to the PC segment. AMD also has the raw compute performance numbers at their price point, it's only because nVidia has shady business practices in gaming that AMD can't wear the crown.

    As you are a capitalist then you understand that the market is driven buy people looking to get the most for their money
     
  20. Evernessince

    Evernessince TS Evangelist Posts: 3,900   +3,346

    AMD never touching the top 11 spots again would be more of a detriment to PC Gamers then to AMD.

    If Nvidia keeps doubling prices every generation like they did with turing the RTX 4050 will be $600 USD.

    At that point I'd imagine all the not so rich PC gamers would simply go console due to lack of money, the bottom would fall out of the PC market, and many AIBs and PC part manufacturer's would go out of business. A lot of PC enthusiasts forget how important it is for PC gaming to be affordable.

    AMD may not compete for your top dollar, but without the budget customers they attract there would not be the money going into PC part design that there is now.
     
  21. QuantumPhysics

    QuantumPhysics TS Evangelist Posts: 1,146   +836

    Free market has already spoken.

    That's why Nvidia is at the top.
     
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  22. yRaz

    yRaz Nigerian Prince Posts: 2,858   +2,165

    nVidia is at the top because they made backdoor deals to have games optimized for their hardware. The consumer buys nVidia products because of this. With the new waves of consoles all using AMD, developers will have no choice but to optimize for AMD. This will transfer over to the desktop market.

    AMD is probably two years away from dethroning nVidia and they did it honestly. There is no better business model than simply doing good business and it's paying off for AMD.
     
  23. LogiGaming

    LogiGaming TS Addict Posts: 126   +91

    You on a budget? Fine, grab a 1700x for 100€, 8c/16t, great for multithreaded workloads and costs 4 times less. Invalid argument.

    Videos for 12 year olds? What kind of argument is that? So making videos for young people is bully material? lol.... Cringe.
     
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  24. Carmaine

    Carmaine TS Booster Posts: 54   +37

    I think AMD is doing very well right now. But let's forget about prices for a second.

    So...on one side, we got one with more cores and manufactured at 7nm.

    And on the other side....we got one with less cores and manufactured at 14+++nm.

    Not trying to create an argument, but is this a fair comparison?
     
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  25. LogiGaming

    LogiGaming TS Addict Posts: 126   +91

    Irrelevant. I wanted only a 1 PC setup for streaming + playing at the same time. 3900x would be it, if it was as good as Intel in gaming (without streaming). Yes it is better than 9900k while gaming + streaming, but it isn´t better than Intel while gaming only, it seems. I have dual PC setup and I´m not willing to lose frames.

    But fair enough, let´s wait for 7th July, but considering 3800x lost heavily on GTA V to 9700, for example, I can´t see AMd beating Intel in high refresh gaming scenarios. That was my disapointment.
     
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