Are We Reaching GPU Normalcy? The Answer Is (Almost) Yes

Revolution 11

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The fact that a consumer-grade video card has an MSRP of US$1,600 means that we are nowhere close to normalcy and probably never will be again. Tim's trying to sugar-coat the situation but a turd coated with sugar still tastes primarily like turd.
I agree with you and I would say that prices still need to fall a minimum of 20% to 50% before you can even call the GPU market as "normal". Some price tiers need to be halved.

Do I think that is that going to happen? Unfortunately not, the mass gamer market has gotten used to insane prices.

If I am the only one sane in an insane world, does that make me the insane one?
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NeoMorpheus

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f only people can get their head out of their butts over Nvidia marketing gimmicks the 6700xt, 6800, 6800xt give a lot gpu performance for the price.
The problem with them are as follow:

1- Media/reviewers/Tubers: OMG, you need RT in your life and only Lord Jensen provides that!
2- By consequence, all you see are photos of Nvidia GPUS and they are always 3090, 3090Ti and now 4090 or they get mentioned even when the video is not even related to them.

This is now beyond ridiculous to be honest.
I agree with you and I would say that prices still need to fall a minimum of 20% to 50% before you can even call the GPU market as "normal". Some price tiers need to be halved.
Personally, 3090, 4090, 6900XT and 6950XT max price should be 700 to 800 US$.
Mind you, I am being generous, because it should be even lower than that.
 

FaTaL

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Just bought a refurbished asrock 6700xt on newegg for $330
be careful; buying sht on newegg from non-newegg sellers. most of it is dogsh1t hardware in china thats defective... bought sticks of corsair RAM and one of sticks was bad. $120 down the drain. no refund. no response... and yes the seller had decent feedback rating.....

I only buy from legit big co vendors from now on. newegg direct or retail... atleast I know what I'm getting.
 

Avro Arrow

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I agree with you and I would say that prices still need to fall a minimum of 20% to 50% before you can even call the GPU market as "normal". Some price tiers need to be halved.
Agreed! The idea of consumer-grade video cards costing four figures was unheard of as recently as three years ago.
Do I think that is that going to happen? Unfortunately not, the mass gamer market has gotten used to insane prices.
They have, but sooner or later, the reality of the situation will hit them when they have to choose between a video card and food. Maybe that will make their brains grow a bit.
If I am the only one sane in an insane world, does that make me the insane one?
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Avro Arrow

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be careful; buying sht on newegg from non-newegg sellers. most of it is dogsh1t hardware in china thats defective... bought sticks of corsair RAM and one of sticks was bad. $120 down the drain. no refund. no response... and yes the seller had decent feedback rating.....

I only buy from legit big co vendors from now on. newegg direct or retail... atleast I know what I'm getting.
I couldn't agree more. I really have only two places that I buy core components from, Canada Computers and Memory Express. Both are brick-and-mortar stores. I have bought things online in the past without issue but if I'm getting something from newegg, it had better be FROM newegg. The rest of that "marketplace" can pound sand as far as I'm concerned. (y) (Y)
 

BadThad

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Thanks for the update! I always look forward to these summaries!

Perhaps an interesting table column would be "highest price recorded". That could really put things into perspective.
 

yRaz

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be careful; buying sht on newegg from non-newegg sellers. most of it is dogsh1t hardware in china thats defective... bought sticks of corsair RAM and one of sticks was bad. $120 down the drain. no refund. no response... and yes the seller had decent feedback rating.....

I only buy from legit big co vendors from now on. newegg direct or retail... atleast I know what I'm getting.
It was shipped and fulfilled by newegg with a 2 year manufacturer warranty. You do have to be careful about that jazz on newegg since they allow third party sellers on their platform
 

Irata

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The problem with them are as follow:

1- Media/reviewers/Tubers: OMG, you need RT in your life and only Lord Jensen provides that!
2- By consequence, all you see are photos of Nvidia GPUS and they are always 3090, 3090Ti and now 4090 or they get mentioned even when the video is not even related to them.

This is now beyond ridiculous to be honest.

Personally, 3090, 4090, 6900XT and 6950XT max price should be 700 to 800 US$.
Mind you, I am being generous, because it should be even lower than that.

On the lower end this resulted in the complete idiocy of buyers choosing a 3050 over a same price (!) 6650 XT. These actually cost the same at Newegg for a while and the 3060 far outsold the 6650 XT and far cheaper 6600.

Despite being two years since launch, the fake $700 MSRP has yet to materialize

A welcome but late realization. Looking at the chart, all of the msrp for the 3080 and below were fake but worked very well considering GPU were compared based on msrp even for the 3050 launch review.
 

Puiu

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The new prices for AMD is a good indicator of where the new cards will be priced at. 540$ for a new 6800XT on newegg is amazing.

We might actually get the 7800XT somewhere between 700 and 800$ with the 7900XT well below the 4080 16GB (maybe around 1000$).

disclaimer: I've been taking a lot of copium these days
 
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amghwk

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Dear Techspot readers... after a long time... since 980Ti, I'm ready to splurge on the latest flagship card. When upgrading previously, I got the Radeon 5700XT at MSRP when it was released, after a very wise sound recommendation from one of the Techspot readers, and I am very happy with the purchase.

Again, I would like to ask your opinion, should I go for this 4090 or wait for the 7900XT?

Thank you for any genuine suggestions.
 

amghwk

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Wait, it won't be long before AMD launches its new GPUs.

Price aside, as a flagship graphics card, the RTX 4090 is exceptionally good. Price not aside, ummm....yeah.
Thanks. I guess I just have to wait a month longer to see the price-performance ratio. If the 7900XT performs as good as the 4090 at slightly lower price point, then it would be a real upgrade from my 5700XT.
 

neeyik

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If the 7900XT performs as good as the 4090 at slightly lower price point, then it would be a real upgrade from my 5700XT.
If we take the 6900 XTs geomean performance from the 4090 review:

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The 7900 XT would need to be 1.8 to 2 times faster than the 6900 XT, to be level pegging with the 4090.

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The above graph from the 6900 XT's review put it roughly 2 times faster than the 5700 XT, so it's distinctly possible that AMD can continue to achieve that scale of improvement.

Even if it's $1000 to $1200 in price (the launch MSRP for the 6900XT was $999), AMD will have an absolute winner on their hands. Which also means it will sell out near-instantly...
 

amghwk

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If we take the 6900 XTs geomean performance from the 4090 review:

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The 7900 XT would need to be 1.8 to 2 times faster than the 6900 XT, to be level pegging with the 4090.

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The above graph from the 6900 XT's review put it roughly 2 times faster than the 5700 XT, so it's distinctly possible that AMD can continue to achieve that scale of improvement.

Even if it's $1000 to $1200 in price (the launch MSRP for the 6900XT was $999), AMD will have an absolute winner on their hands. Which also means it will sell out near-instantly...
Thank you. I really appreciate your effort to explain.

Interesting times ahead.
 

Avro Arrow

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This. There is absolutely nothing normal about the current state of affairs with GPU's. These are still ripoff crypto prices. I really wish people would refrain long enough to cause some movement in pricing downward. Make these f'in companies sweat a little.
I'll be refraining for a VERY long time because my main card is a reference RX 6800 XT and my backup is an XFX RX 5700 XT THICC-III.

I actually have so many spare parts that I threw a system together and sold it for $500CAD to a friend. It was my old R7-1700, 8GB of DDR4-2666 and a Sapphire R9 Fury Nitro+ OC on a Biostar A320MH motherboard (He's not even remotely tech-savvy enough to overclock so no loss there for him). He just wanted something with which he could play Diablo 4, something that the R7-1700 and R9 Fury will have no issue with.
 

Revolution 11

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I'll be refraining for a VERY long time because my main card is a reference RX 6800 XT and my backup is an XFX RX 5700 XT THICC-III.

I actually have so many spare parts that I threw a system together and sold it for $500CAD to a friend. It was my old R7-1700, 8GB of DDR4-2666 and a Sapphire R9 Fury Nitro+ OC on a Biostar A320MH motherboard (He's not even remotely tech-savvy enough to overclock so no loss there for him). He just wanted something with which he could play Diablo 4, something that the R7-1700 and R9 Fury will have no issue with.
How is the 6800 XT treating you? What resolution and FPS are you getting on your games?
 

NeoMorpheus

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If the 7900XT performs as good as the 4090 at slightly lower price point
This is why AMD will never win.

Sorry but that statement is complete BS.

Why if AMD is offering the same level of performance, it needs to be cheaper or better yet, why that needs to be case instead of saying " I will pay the same or more for AMD if the performance is the same!"

People need to stop giving Nvidia free passes.
 
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Avro Arrow

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Dear Techspot readers... after a long time... since 980Ti, I'm ready to splurge on the latest flagship card. When upgrading previously, I got the Radeon 5700XT at MSRP when it was released, after a very wise sound recommendation from one of the Techspot readers, and I am very happy with the purchase.

Again, I would like to ask your opinion, should I go for this 4090 or wait for the 7900XT?

Thank you for any genuine suggestions.
I would say not matter what, wait. The Radeon announcement is less than two weeks away. If you decide at that time that you want it, great. If you decide at that time that you don't want it, then you're no worse off. On the other hand, if you blow US$1,600 on the 4090 and the Radeon comes out with the same (or better) performance for US$1,200 (or so I've heard), you're going to be royally pissed about it.

Regardless, I wouldn't buy the halo card from either manufacturer. Either get the RTX 4080 or the Radeon RX 7800 XT. They'll be only like 10% slower at the most and the Radeon will probably cost around US$800. The difference in longevity would be negligible. On the other hand, you'd probably also do quite well with an RX 6800 XT from today. That's what I have and I expect at least five years out of it with its massive 16GB GDDR6 frame buffer.
 

Avro Arrow

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How is the 6800 XT treating you? What resolution and FPS are you getting on your games?
I absolutely love it. I was playing Far Cry 6 completely maxxed out and the experience was like butter. Having said that, my display is my 55" 4K TV and it's only 60Hz so maybe if it was 120Hz I might have issues. It's not like I run FRAPS while I'm gaming. :laughing:

I could try it though, I'm actually curious now.
 
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EdmondRC

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A lot of 4090s available, but for $2400 and up. I wonder if anyone is buying them at that price? Considering that they will likely be in ready supply in about a month, I certainly hope that there are not many people out there paying these scalpers for artificially increasing demand. This is not RTX 30, mining is essentially dead, and there is no shortage of GPUs.
 

Avro Arrow

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A lot of 4090s available, but for $2400 and up. I wonder if anyone is buying them at that price? Considering that they will likely be in ready supply in about a month, I certainly hope that there are not many people out there paying these scalpers for artificially increasing demand. This is not RTX 30, mining is essentially dead, and there is no shortage of GPUs.
Yeah but people, especially young men in their 20s, are absolute numbskulls when it comes to money because they don't yet understand the value of it. They're still used to living with mom and dad.
 

Revolution 11

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Yeah but people, especially young men in their 20s, are absolute numbskulls when it comes to money because they don't yet understand the value of it. They're still used to living with mom and dad.
They should live with my parents. My dad forced me to account for every dollar of a PC build I did as a teenager and to maximize rebates and sales and justify each and every hardware choice, just to save a total of a hundred bucks.

It was not about the money but the habit of how to spend money. Valuable training for max-value PC gaming though.

The last few years have been extra painful for the same reason.