Are We Reaching GPU Normalcy? The Answer Is (Almost) Yes

Avro Arrow

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They should live with my parents. My dad forced me to account for every dollar of a PC build I did as a teenager and to maximize rebates and sales and justify each and every hardware choice, just to save a total of a hundred bucks.

It was not about the money but the habit of how to spend money. Valuable training for max-value PC gaming though.

The last few years have been extra painful for the same reason.
I hear that. I've always been about value as well. I always buy right before the point of diminishing returns.
 

amghwk

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A lot of 4090s available, but for $2400 and up. I wonder if anyone is buying them at that price? Considering that they will likely be in ready supply in about a month, I certainly hope that there are not many people out there paying these scalpers for artificially increasing demand. This is not RTX 30, mining is essentially dead, and there is no shortage of GPUs.
Here, the cheapest is USD1,753 (after conversion) - for the Palit Gamerock 24GB. The rest - MSI, Zotac are not far off from this price point. None touched 2K yet.
 

Marco Mint

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I'm seeing gpu prices fluctuate. Probably due to the manufacturers artificially holding back on supply, trying to keep those prices up. I keep an eye on the market but have no intention of buying anything until I perceive it as decent value for what's on offer.
 

Revolution 11

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I'm seeing gpu prices fluctuate. Probably due to the manufacturers artificially holding back on supply, trying to keep those prices up. I keep an eye on the market but have no intention of buying anything until I perceive it as decent value for what's on offer.
You won't see the best deals until Black Friday. Check around on all the sites around that time.
 

amghwk

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This is why AMD will never win.

Sorry but that statement is complete BS.

Why is AMD is offering the same level of performance needs to be cheaper or better yet, why that needs to be case instead of saying " I will pay the same or more for AMD if the performance is the same!"

People need to stop giving Nvidia free passes.
Yes, you are absolutely right. Why should I expect Radeon to be better but expecting it to be priced cheaper than Nvidia? It's not a budget card.

But maybe I should have made a clearer statement. Nvidia has been getting away with charging an arm and leg for their cards lately, ever since Radeon started losing the race.

But the advent of 5700XT broke Nvidia aggressive pricing mentality. 5700XT came out of nowhere with affordable pricing and powerful performance. And things have been better with the 6900XT and 6950XT giving a serious run for the money for the 3090. Suddenly the 3090 day-1 purchasers looked like being swindled. (Let's also not forget AMD was a bit overzealous for a while with the CPU pricings once, too.)

Hence, I was expecting the 7800XT and 7900XT would also give the 4090 and 4080 a run for their money too, while delivering a blow-by-blow performance.

Edit: I have the Sapphire Pulse 5700 XT.
 
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NeoMorpheus

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Yes, you are absolutely right. Why should I expect Radeon to be better but expecting it to be priced cheaper than Nvidia? It's not a budget card.

But maybe I should have made a clearer statement. Nvidia has been getting away with charging an arm and leg for their cards lately, ever since Radeon started losing the race.

But the advent of 5700XT broke Nvidia aggressive pricing mentality. 5700XT came out of nowhere with affordable pricing and powerful performance. And things have been better with the 6900XT and 6950XT giving a serious run for the money for the 3090. Suddenly the 3090 day-1 purchasers looked like being swindled. (Let's also not forget AMD was a bit overzealous for a while with the CPU pricings once, too.)

Hence, I was expecting the 7800XT and 7900XT would also give the 4090 and 4080 a run for their money too, while delivering a blow-by-blow performance.

Edit: I have the Sapphire Pulse 5700 XT.
Then I take my comment back.

Sadly, AMD is getting a raw deal and I personally feel it's not fair to offer a good product yet being ignored because marketing and other reason$.

Yes, the current offerings are horrible with RT but to me, RT it's a gimmick (with a couple of exceptions) and won't be a most have for at least 2 more gens (hardware and software). So that alone is not a selling point or reason to buy Nvidia.

And granted, thanks to cuda, if you have a need for that, you are at Nvidia's mercy. Even though that is also changing.

If those cases don't apply to your needs, then I would say wait for Nov 3, let's see what rdna3 brings.
 

waclark

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The laws of physic's still apply ... there is only so much they can do so not it all boils down to how much you get for any given price.
Well, that's true to a point. First, most Nvidia cards are above MSRP, so I would suggest they could start by getting to that point. But, instead they are keeping the prices high because we have no Nvidia replacement for 70 and 80 class cards. And, we haven't seen RDNA 3. Once that happens you may see some movement on Nvidia pricing. Especially if RDNA 3 sells well.
 

Avro Arrow

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Yes, you are absolutely right. Why should I expect Radeon to be better but expecting it to be priced cheaper than Nvidia? It's not a budget card.

But maybe I should have made a clearer statement. Nvidia has been getting away with charging an arm and leg for their cards lately, ever since Radeon started losing the race.
Believe it or not, nVidia has been overcharging people for well over ten years. It all started with the GeForce 8800 GTX and has continued ever since. I remember when the GeForce GTX 260 was CA$700. ATi kicked them in the nads when they released the HD 4870 because it was maginally faster than the GTX 260 and was CA$250 less at CA$450. I worked at Tiger Direct at the time had already decided against ever getting Intel again. Seeing nVidia's ways of doing things had me every bit as disgusted with them as I was with Intel so I got an XFX Radeon HD 4870.

Somehow, nVidia was able to bring the price down to the HD 4870's level. Clearly they were still making acceptable coin at $450 which means that they were fleecing a bunch of noobs by charging 56% more than they needed to. How people can still support that company is beyond me but some people are so self-centred that they'd buy from the Mafia if they thought the product was better.
 

Avro Arrow

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Normal price:
GeForce RTX 3070 - 399$
GeForce RTX 3080 10GB - 499-599$
GeForce RTX 3080 12GB - 599-699
GeForce RTX 3090 Ti - 899$
That's pretty close but the last time that nVidia had "normal" card pricing was with the GTX 900-series:
GTX 960 MSRP: $199
GTX 970 MSRP: $329
GTX 980 MSRP: $549
GTX 980 Ti MSRP: $649